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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 2nd Apr 2022, 10:49
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Originally Posted by Beamr
...and AN-2 biplanes, whats next, an ironclad in the black sea?
To be fair the last time I flew in a beautifully maintained and (very) frontline AN-2 was in this century. Admittedly it was a USAF example but their maintainers included Moldovans and Ukrainians.
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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 10:53
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I imagine it was a fairly long range shot, as it's against HAVOC using rockets in a bunt for indirect fire seemingly to get more range and stay out of manpads threat. Clearly still not far enough out of range.

Not a bad way to advertise performance of the missile.
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The M91 is definately a good basis for a sniper rifle, the Finnish version SAKO 28/30 had better (iron)sights that enabled it to be used as a sniper rifle even without a telescope. Verified by one farmer called Simo Häyhä.

The double maxim indeed has its potential too, but it is a heavy and clumsy weapon. Try detaching it from the tuk tuk in a hurry as an example.

The real issue is that those are usable in a guerrilla hit'n'run type toyotawarfare surely, but as an army against an enemy with modern kits those are rather useless. To make it blunt: otherwise NATO would use those as well. If you don't care for man losses and you have endless supply of mindless grunts, then why not. Now there's a doctrine that has lived with those weapons.
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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 11:30
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Don’t forget up until 1992 the U.K. was still using the 7.62 chambered Bren, more on the Maxim use

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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 11:41
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I would like to take the opportunity to point out that 1992 was 30 years ago....
majority of the Russian forces fighting in Ukraine today weren't even born then.
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Arming DNR and LNR forces with WW2 kit is the usual propaganda method which is not easily understood by western society. Putin is trying to push a concept that this war is only a continuation of the fight against fascism which never ended. "Denazification" of Ukraine is a battle cry. If you would understand more about Russian public opinion you would know that they are extremely proud how they succeeded to defeat Hitler and anything which opposes Russian imperial ambitions is automatically labeled as "fascist". This is a universal enemy. Even crushing Czechoslovakia in 1968 is explained till today in Russian state TV as a necessary step which prevented a "fascist coup" organised by western intelligence agencies. This is the very core of their propaganda.

The pictures of Maxim machine gun, traditional Red Army helmets and Mosin-Nagant is a well prepared publicity stunt. "Fathers who fought Wehrmacht gave their well preserved guns to their grandsons to carry the torch." This is a battle to win hearts of Russian Mr. Public and has a very little to do with real fight with Ukrainian armed forces. I personally doubt that they wouldn't have enough AK-47s somewhere in their arsenals.

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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 12:38
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Originally Posted by Beamr
I would like to take the opportunity to point out that 1992 was 30 years ago....
majority of the Russian forces fighting in Ukraine today weren't even born then.

Ok Mills Grenade, introduced 1915, left final Indian service 2021

or the Lee Enfield, Canadian Rangers only phased that out recently as spares were becoming difficult.


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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 13:01
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Ok Mills Grenade, introduced 1915, left final Indian service 2021

or the Lee Enfield, Canadian Rangers only phased that out recently as spares were becoming difficult.


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this raises the question: what is the oldest western weapon still in active duty within western military (by design and/or manufacturing date)?
BUFF takes the date to 1950's, anything more vintage?
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Originally Posted by Beamr
this raises the question: what is the oldest western weapon still in active duty within western military (by design and/or manufacturing date)?
BUFF takes the date to 1950's, anything more vintage?
While the Lee-Enfield and Mosin-Nagant do still see use in irregular forces and by specialized units such as the Canadian Rangers, I believe the oldest weapon in widespread conventional military usage is the M2 Browning .50 Caliber machinegun. Designed in 1918, it's still in production and in use today, almost in its original form, as the US's main heavy machinegun, mounted on numerous vehicles, aircraft, fortifications, ships, and carried by heavy weapon infantry units, with no active plans to replace it. They’re so widespread, some M1A2 Abrams even carry two of them (in addition to two 7.62x51 M240s).


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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 13:09
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Originally Posted by Beamr
this raises the question: what is the oldest western weapon still in active duty within western military (by design and/or manufacturing date)?
BUFF takes the date to 1950's, anything more vintage?
Beamr, M2 Machine gun was designed in 1921 and is still used by a number of armies around the world
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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 13:28
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Aren't some USMC MEU units still using specially built M1911 pistols...?

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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 14:25
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The New York Times

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Breaking News: The Biden administration will work with allies to transfer Soviet-made tanks to bolster Ukrainian defenses, the first time the U.S. has done so.
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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 14:27
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Given your spelling "definately", you must be a baddie from Line of Duty!
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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 14:30
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
The Biden administration will work with allies to transfer Soviet-made tanks to bolster Ukrainian defenses, the first time the U.S. has done so.
Didn't they work with Israel to supply the Mujahedin (Not tanks) during Russia's jolly in Afghanistan?
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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 15:30
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Originally Posted by Barksdale Boy
Beamr
Given your spelling "definately", you must be a baddie from Line of Duty!
Very observative! I need to start signing my messages,

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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 15:44
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Originally Posted by Beamr
this raises the question: what is the oldest western weapon still in active duty within western military (by design and/or manufacturing date)?
BUFF takes the date to 1950's, anything more vintage?
A certain gun club used to have crossbows in their armoury. Certainly in use in 1982; silent but very deadly and put the wind up Johnny Foreigner!

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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 16:10
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Originally Posted by Mogwi
A certain gun club used to have crossbows in their armoury. Certainly in use in 1982; silent but very deadly and put the wind up Johnny Foreigner!

Mog
Certainly those crossbows were of more contemporary design?

How about revolvers, apparently the U.S. air force is only just about to give up on their Smith & Wesson model 15's which root back to 1899.

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Isn't the USS Constitution still a fully commissioned navy vessel?
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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 18:06
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Mention of the Starstreak prompts me to ask how long the training for use of that system would be ? I'm guessing that no British military would be deployed in Ukraine, so the trainees would have to come over the border into a NATO country for this training.

Another query is that although this missile is spoken of as being a MANPAD, I have never seen it pictured in a configuration that meets that spec. The Thales YT video shows it vehicle mounted , or as a ground-based launcher of three which is certainly not man-portable: never shown as a single unit.
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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 18:17
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Isn't the USS Constitution still a fully commissioned navy vessel?
Yes, but HMS Victory is bigger … so there!

Meanwhile, the Yeomen Warders’ pikes in the Tower of London … oh, forget it!
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