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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 24th Jan 2023, 15:03
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64383388

Top Ukrainian officials quit in anti-corruption drive

A top adviser, four deputy ministers and five regional governors left their posts on Tuesday.

Their departures come as Ukraine launches a broad anti-corruption drive. Recently, authorities have seen bribery claims, reports of officials buying food at inflated prices and one figure accused of living a lavish lifestyle.

Senior aide Mykhailo Podolyak said Mr Zelensky was responding to a "key public demand" that justice should apply to everyone. The president has already banned state officials from leaving the country unless on authorised business.

The first to resign on Tuesday was Kyrylo Tymoshenko, the president's deputy head of office, who oversaw regional policy and had earlier worked on Mr Zelensky's election campaign…..

Deputy Defence Minister Vyacheslav Shapovalov also resigned, following reports he oversaw the purchase of military food supplies at inflated prices from a relatively unknown firm. The department called this a "technical mistake" and claimed no money had changed hands.

The defence minister himself - Oleksii Reznikov - has been under scrutiny for the same reason.

A host of other top officials were dismissed on Tuesday, including:
  • Deputy Prosecutor General Oleskiy Symonenko
  • Deputy Minister for Development of Communities and Territories Ivan Lukerya
  • Deputy Minister for Development of Communities and Territories Vyacheslav Negoda
  • Deputy Minister for Social Policy Vitaliy Muzychenko
  • And the regional governors of Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporizhzhia, Kyiv, Sumy and Kherson
Ukraine has a history of corruption and in 2021 Transparency International ranked the country at 122 out of 180 countries in its ranking of corrupt states.

A crackdown is one of the EU's key demands if the country is to advance its application to join the bloc.…..
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Top Ukrainian officials quit in anti-corruption drive
Zelenskyy has the clout to turn this whole corruption attitude around in Ukraine.
Whatta man!
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Old 24th Jan 2023, 16:22
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Originally Posted by Timmy Tomkins
The German coalition is split on the subject of tank supply. The Greens & Liberals in favour, Scholz & co divided too but a German MP speaking on BBC radio made it clear that irritating Russia was behind the vacilations and effectively said that not everybody was committed to Ukraine winning. They just want it all to stop. Self interest to the max
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph in the world is that good men do nothing -
Germany should know it best to stand up to bullies...and if not where it can lead. Poland, Estonia,Latvia, Lithuania have stood up against putins nuclear blackmail and escalation threats, and they have land borders.

Give a bully an inch and they take a mile, 2014, fsb snipers in kiev, crowds taking over government buildings and police stations.... little green men in crimea. since the invasion putins been pushing the bayonet in and in, until it came to a stop at some steal. the steal wont last forever.
And they are asking for tanks, half the tanks in Europe are leopards. support, logistics, PRACTICALITY. and governments want to give them.
have since month one.
V2s then, x-22s now. terror weapons. indiscriminate death, let alone Busha etc. if countrys want to give leopards for a good cause. Dont block them.

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Cyprus is willing to hand over their 82 T80-U in exchange for Leopards. ( not verified )

The Greek administration of Southern Cyprus is ready to transfer T-80U tanks to Ukraine in exchange for Leopard 2 tanks from Greece. Cyprus has 82 T-80Us, which have a modernized turret and are equipped with Kontakt-5 reactive armor (ERA).

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Media reports that Germany will green light Leopard 2 deliveries tomorrow after the US decided to deliver main battle tanks as well. German ones and third country deliveries will get permitted. Parliamentary session happening tomorrow.
Russia had threatened Germany with "permanent changes concerning the bilateral relationship" if it would dare to deliver tanks before. Maybe this was what Scholz had waited for?

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https://apnews.com/article/us-m1-abr...f3ac2182076a02

In reversal, US poised to approve Abrams tanks for Ukraine

U.S. officials said details are still being worked out. One official said the tanks would be bought under an upcoming Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative package, which provides longer-range funding for weapons and equipment to be purchased from commercial vendors.…

Weapons provided through USAI can take many months to several years to reach the battlefield……
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Originally Posted by Less Hair
Media reports that Germany will green light Leopard 2 deliveries tomorrow after the US decided to deliver main battle tanks as well. German ones and third country deliveries will get permitted. Parliamentary session happening tomorrow.
Russia had threatened Germany with "permanent changes concerning the bilateral relationship" if it would dare to deliver tanks before. Maybe this was what Scholz had waited for?
Strange isn’t it, Germany is worried about changes to their bilateral relationship with Russia that will in effect become a pariah state when everything is done and dusted.
The Countries that Germany want to be courting are the Western Countries that will be looking at rearming to restore their depleted stocks and of course Ukraine that will need years of help to rebuild their Countries infrastructure.
As it stands Germany appears to backing the wrong horse while ostracising those Countries where their future growth could well come from.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Strange isn’t it, Germany is worried about changes to their bilateral relationship with Russia that will in effect become a pariah state when everything is done and dusted.
The Countries that Germany want to be courting are the Western Countries that will be looking at rearming to restore their depleted stocks and of course Ukraine that will need years of help to rebuild their Countries infrastructure.
As it stands Germany appears to backing the wrong horse while ostracising those Countries where their future growth could well come from.
They are obviously not worried about Russia if they deliver now. They just did not want to go the tank route alone and this is what they had communicated before.
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I have found this YT blogger very good.
If anyone is interested in Russia's economy and how its income from Gas/Oil is looking really bad – I mean – not looking good at all, particularly after 5th Feb, then I highly recommend watching this guy.

If the data is correct, then end of February's figures are going to be a show all...


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Old 24th Jan 2023, 18:48
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Help me out here.
It's my understanding that Russian, Ukrainian (who use Russian) and German tanks are smooth bore.
Challenger is rifled bore.
So what's the advantage of smooth bore over rifled and why does everyone use smooth? I was always lead to believe rifled = more range and accuracy?
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Originally Posted by uxb99
Help me out here.
It's my understanding that Russian, Ukrainian (who use Russian) and German tanks are smooth bore.
Challenger is rifled bore.
So what's the advantage of smooth bore over rifled and why does everyone use smooth? I was always lead to believe rifled = more range and accuracy?
Smooth bore allows better transfer of the energy from the chamber pressure to the projectile; it also allows sabot rounds to be launched, which are smaller than the bore and are made of dense and very hard alloys and penetrate armor more effectively than HE rounds. Smooth bore rounds are designed for aerodynamic stability, so they maintain accuracy.
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Old 24th Jan 2023, 20:17
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Originally Posted by uxb99
So what's the advantage of smooth bore over rifled and why does everyone use smooth?
Smoothbore is the norm & Challenger is the oddity.

The choice of rifled barrel is to do with the UK's liking for HESH rounds which perform better when fired from a rifled barrel. Smoothbore is used for APFSDS fin/sabot rounds where rifled isn't an advantage. Challenger 3 will be smoothbore 120mm.
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Originally Posted by uxb99
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So what's the advantage of smooth bore over rifled and why does everyone use smooth? I was always lead to believe rifled = more range and accuracy?
Rifling doesn't work well for high speed projectiles. Max projectile speed (and thus kinetic ernergy) with rifled barrels is limited due to increased friction. It is good for accuracy of slower rounds, though. Re-active armor generally works better against HE than against APFSDS. Thus, APFSDS have become the preferred choice for tank2tank battle. That's why in general the smoothbore guns are preferred in modern tank design.
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Also, it takes energy to spin up the projectile, which would reduce the amount of energy available for muzzle velocity. So if the projectile is self-stabilized (e.g. with fins) then there is more energy to go into pushing the shell.
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I think it may have to do with past doctrine where UK tanks up to Challenger 2 were more tied up with infantry support (where HESH is superior) than their counterparts which were / are aimed more at the tank on tank scenario.
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Swiss U-turn on providing amm7nition and support to Ukraine….

BREAKING: The Swiss Security Policy Commission of the National Council wants to allow Germany, Denmark and Spain to transfer weapons from Switzerland to Ukraine - Neue Zürcher Zeitung.

https://www.nzz.ch/schweiz/wende-bei...eiz-ld.1722731
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Footage of evacuating a wounded, happened already in September but just released.. Things get a bit tricky in urban areas with lot of fences. Mostly in Finnish so turn the subtitles on. Love the calmness of the fella escorting his wounded pair.


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Originally Posted by judyjudy
Also, it takes energy to spin up the projectile, which would reduce the amount of energy available for muzzle velocity. So if the projectile is self-stabilized (e.g. with fins) then there is more energy to go into pushing the shell.
Exactly. Fin stabilized sabot projectiles don't the need spin to fly straight - so you want the smooth bore (more energy to the projectile), plus the relatively small diameter projectile has much less drag than a large 100-120mm shell so longer range and more energy when it impacts the target.
Down side is that sabot rounds are pretty worthless against personnel.
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