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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

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A slight flaw in Putins cunning plan.. oddly I did think when I watched them shelling Antonov’s factories, that was a bad idea because they use lots of them in their own airforce.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/02/putin...aine-16393098/

Vladimir Putin is said to be running out of missiles, tanks and aircraft, because the parts they rely on are made in Ukraine.

The engines of Russian military helicopters and key components for warships, cruise missiles and the majority of the nation’s fighter jets are all made in Ukrainian factories, the Telegraph reports.

The factories, which also produce parts for tanks and ground to air missiles, no longer supply Mr Putin’s army.

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Just seen this from earlier, 2 days before the invasion, they might have thought they’re in a tank, but I think the train would win..





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BRUSSELS (AP) — NATO would quickly welcome Finland and Sweden into its ranks with open arms if they decided to apply, the military alliance’s top civilian official said Wednesday, as Russia’s war on Ukraine spurs public support in the two Nordic countries for membership.

The military organization might also be ready to provide security guarantees to the countries if any potential membership bid angers Russia, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said.

A poll last month by Finnish broadcaster YLE showed that, for the first time, more than 50% of Finns support joining the Western military alliance. In neighboring Sweden, a similar poll showed that those in favor of NATO membership outnumber those against.

“If they decide to apply, I expect that all allies will welcome them,” Stoltenberg told reporters in Brussels, as NATO foreign ministers met to discuss the war in Ukraine. “We know that they can easily join this alliance if they decide to apply.”
https://apnews.com/article/russia-uk...source=Twitter
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Old 7th Apr 2022, 00:13
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Just seen this from earlier, 2 days before the invasion, they might have thought they’re in a tank, but I think the train would win..
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Not too sure anyone wins that one - while the tank would most certainly lose, there is a high likelihood that the train would derail after colliding with a main battle tank.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Poland purchases 250 Abrams
Does anyone know if these are new-build Abrams? I was under the impression that production of new Abrams stopped several years ago - that the 'newer' Abrams were simply older Abrams that had been upgraded and refurbished to 'zero time'.

In other words, is the US Army reducing it's tank forces by 250?
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Originally Posted by GlobalNav
Of course. Meeting contractural requirements are the highest priority, because through them you thrive. Wouldn’t want anyone to think you won’t honor your promises, I mean, how uncivilized is that? Never mind the commission of wanton murder, rape and pillage, genocide, unprovoked invasion of a sovereign nation, and other forms of inhumanity. Just honor your contracts, that’s all that matters.
No need for sarcasm.
I was simply pointing out that contrary to what was being claimed, the Russians were not breaking their delivery contracts. There is zero advantage to them from doing that.
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Originally Posted by tdracer
Does anyone know if these are new-build Abrams? I was under the impression that production of new Abrams stopped several years ago - that the 'newer' Abrams were simply older Abrams that had been upgraded and refurbished to 'zero time'.

In other words, is the US Army reducing it's tank forces by 250?
They are rebuilds, so yes technically US abrams stockpiles are going down by 250, but they have so many stashed it wont be a blip. If you got good google fu, discovery did a series "megafactories" one was about abrams tanks where they showed the stripdown, rebuild/upgrade. In the background you will see tanks with a kangaroo on them. They were the tanks being rebuilt for australia
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The USMC is saying it is going out of the Tank business as it transitions to a new strategy for its force structure and missions.

The Marines had three Battalions of 58 Tanks each with a Prepositioned strength of about 58 Tanks plus some used in Training units.....ball park number about 300 Tanks in total.

Factor that into the total number of Tanks held by the US Military when doing the math on force size.

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Uk sending Mastiffs and Jackals!


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Originally Posted by NutLoose
A slight flaw in Putins cunning plan.. oddly I did think when I watched them shelling Antonov’s factories, that was a bad idea because they use lots of them in their own airforce.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/02/putin...aine-16393098/
I believe the Russians have had to search for alternatives to Ukraine parts since 2014, as Ukraine withdrew supply and support for the stuff it supplied to Russia back then. Russia had never developed or built any marine gas-turbines, and its frigate fleet used Ukraine GT's (made in Mikolaiv) which Ukraine stopped support and spares for in 2014, and Russian engine maker Saturn was tasked with developing its first ever marine GT to replace the Ukrainian engines in its two frigate classes.

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Nutty....they forgot to list the huge loss of Face the Russians suffered at the hands of the Ukraine Defense Forces.

Now it is up to the Western Powers to ante up with Logistical Support and supply of ALL kinds of lethal and humanitarian aid possible.

There is no way to spin it.....the Russians bit off far. more than they can chew.

Unless and until the Russian Leadership accept a negotiated peace settlement....this will turn into a very costly war of attrition for both sides.....and my money says the Russians do not have the Heart or motivation to win this thing.

All these Dead Russians have families at home who certainly do not think such sacrifice is worth it.

That bodes ill for Putin et al.
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Die Welt states that the german intelligence has recorded phone calls of russian military in which the russian troops talk of killing civilians in Bucha. The germans say that they have even more recordings from other regions in Ukraine which have been under Russian occupation. Terrifying. We have only seen the very tip of the iceberg.

https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/...eber-Funk.html
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^^^^ Amongst other information that topic is also in The Times today:-

Russian commander ‘told soldiers to fire on Mariupol civilians’

A Russian commander ordered his soldiers to open fire and “take out” Ukrainian civilians near the besieged city of Mariupol, according to what Kyiv said was an intercepted radio conversation.

“There are two people coming out of the grove in civilian [clothes],” an unnamed Russian soldier says in an obscenity-strewn recording, which was made public by Ukraine’s SBU security service.

He also says that a vehicle has been spotted but it is unclear whether it is civilian or military. “Take them all f***ing out!” his superior screams in reply, adding that it was unimportant if there were non-combatants or not at the scene. “Off them all, f***!”

“Got it,” the soldier replies.

Judging by the soldiers’ comments, the incident is believed to have taken place in a village near Mariupol, on the Sea of Azov. The port on the Dnieper river has been under siege and near-constant bombardment by President Putin’s forces for 40 days, and an estimated 120,000 residents are cut off without power and with dwindling supplies. According to local officials, 5,000 people have been killed by Russian shelling and airstrikes and 90 per cent of the city’s buildings have been destroyed or damaged — including homes, hospitals, schools and a theatre where hundreds of civilians had taken refuge.

Ukraine says it has been easy to intercept conversations between Russian forces because they are using outdated radio equipment or commercial walkie-talkies to communicate.

In the leaked recording, another Russian soldier can be heard complaining that he and his colleagues are vastly outnumbered and receiving no support from Moscow. “Their [Ukrainian] group has 150,000 [soldiers]! And there’s, f***, 3,000 of us, if that . . . They are on the left, on the right, encircling us, f***! There’s so many of them and so few of us. We don’t have any support, no aviation, not a f***ing thing.”


A separate leak revealed that to address declining morale and panic in the ranks, the Russian army had instructed commanders to restrict soldiers’ access to smartphones.

A military directive, revealed by the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence, states that “commanders of all ranks have faced opposition from personnel” who have been influenced by the “internet and popular messengers”.

“The security services have become aware of numerous cases of soldiers being blackmailed through their personal data and cases of soldiers being deceived with false information communicated to them personally through messenger apps such as Viber, WhatsApp, Telegram, Vkontakte and others,” according to the document.

In response the Russian army said it would exert “increased control” over use of the internet, limiting their use of social media on their mobile phones and subjecting them to check-ups of their “moral-psychological state”.

It also emerged yesterday that Russia’s military had boasted about killing dozens of Ukrainian “deserters” who fled the devastated southern city.

Mikhail Mizintsev, a Russian colonel general, said last month that his forces had “liquidated” 93 alleged fighters who had tried to escape. He said they had been wearing civilian clothes when they were killed, according to RT, the Kremlin-backed media outlet. It was unclear how the Russian army knew they were servicemen and why they were not offered the chance to surrender.

Mizintsev, 59, who has been called the Butcher of Mariupol, is accused of a number of war crimes, including an attack on a maternity hospital and the theatre.

In another audio recording previously made public by Ukraine, Mizintsev, who heads Russia’s National Defence Management Centre, said that a Russian soldier’s ear should be cut off as punishment for not wearing the correct uniform. Mizintsev was in charge of Russia’s bombing campaign in Syria, which flattened the city of Aleppo.

Britain’s Ministry of Defence said that most of the remaining residents of Mariupol had no electricity, communication, medicine, heating or water.

President Zelensky said that Russia was blocking humanitarian access to Mariupol because it wanted to hide evidence of “thousands” of people killed there. “The reason why we cannot get into Mariupol with the humanitarian cargo is precisely because they are afraid . . . that the world will see what is going on there,” he told Turkey’s Haberturk TV yesterday.

A convoy carrying more than 500 civilians from the area around Mariupol did reach Zaporizhzhya, about 140 miles to the north, yesterday in the largest evacuation so far. The International Committee of the Red Cross team led the convoy of buses and cars back to relative safety, having spent five days and four nights trying to reach Mariupol. They came within 12 miles of the city but conditions became too dangerous to enter.

Those arriving in Zaporizhzhya said they had witnessed suffering and death.

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Nutty....they forgot to list the huge loss of Face the Russians suffered at the hands of the Ukraine Defense Forces.

Now it is up to the Western Powers to ante up with Logistical Support and supply of ALL kinds of lethal and humanitarian aid possible.

There is no way to spin it.....the Russians bit off far. more than they can chew.

Unless and until the Russian Leadership accept a negotiated peace settlement....this will turn into a very costly war of attrition for both sides.....and my money says the Russians do not have the Heart or motivation to win this thing.

All these Dead Russians have families at home who certainly do not think such sacrifice is worth it.

That bodes ill for Putin et al.
Its heartening that NATO is now holding almost weekly conferences now to discuss military aid to Ukraine. From the reports I've seen the flow of aid of all types seems to be growing apace.

I think the decisive battle of the war is about to take place in the east. If Ukraine can hold out and counter effectively, then there's a distinct possibility of another Russian collapse. Also, the pressure on Russian forces to conclude something/anything by May 9th must be driving all kinds of irrational decisions and behaviours which could well spell their doom.
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There are discussions going on in the US asking about bringing back lend lease

https://twitter.com/search?q=Donbass...rc=typed_query




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At this rate the Russians are going to need a Sh*tload of Embassy gates, first Dublin and now..
RE: postal addresses. Some countries have renamed the streets for the Russian embassies and suggest mail will not be delivered to RU embassy if correct address is not used.
Latvia & Lithuania have renamed the streets of its Russian embassies to support. The new addresses – with signs in Ukrainian – are...
Latvia: Russian Embassy, Independent Ukraine Street, Riga.
Lithuania: Russian Embassy, Ukrainian Heroes' Street, Vilnius.
Tirana, Albania - "Free Ukraine".




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Old 7th Apr 2022, 11:17
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Not sure when this map was compiled but there appears to be a few errors e.g. India and SA are nominally supporting Russia (or at least, haven't condemned the invasion). Also some of the 'Stans have stated that they support the territorial integrity of Ukraine.
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