Is Ukraine about to have a war?
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No they are from people sick and tired of seeing the brutality and carnage inflicted by a cruel and vindictive dictator.
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As I thought earlier in this thread, the lack of empathy by certain posters in this thread is surely the result of having experienced little more conflict than jostling for the garlic mayo at the Bratty wagon.
Something that has grated a little is talking heads on TV describing what is going on in Ukraine as "something not seen since 1945". The Bosnia and Kosovo conflicts were not that long ago...
Something that has grated a little is talking heads on TV describing what is going on in Ukraine as "something not seen since 1945". The Bosnia and Kosovo conflicts were not that long ago...
Indeed.
A direct NATO intervention is not needed at this point. However, a 'coalition of the willing' invited into a friendly sovereign state should never be seen as provocative, especially when compared to an armed invasion and the senseless murdering of the civilian population.
Engaging Russian forces by invitation of a sovereign nation is nothing more than self-defence and that defence is sorely needed given the atrocities we are all witness to. Russia can decide if it wants to go home or not as such a coalition would not seek to attack mother Russia, just defend the host nation. Defence is never a provocation.
A direct NATO intervention is not needed at this point. However, a 'coalition of the willing' invited into a friendly sovereign state should never be seen as provocative, especially when compared to an armed invasion and the senseless murdering of the civilian population.
Engaging Russian forces by invitation of a sovereign nation is nothing more than self-defence and that defence is sorely needed given the atrocities we are all witness to. Russia can decide if it wants to go home or not as such a coalition would not seek to attack mother Russia, just defend the host nation. Defence is never a provocation.
This is something worth giving a thought. This development would trigger article 5.
The exiled Russian oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky said in an interview with CNN on Sunday that the next step in Russian President Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine might be the invasion of the Baltic countries of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.
"We must understand that, in his head, Putin is at war not with Ukraine," Khodorkovsky said. "He's at war with the United States and NATO. He said this more than once."
https://www.businessinsider.in/polit...w/90631324.cms
"We must understand that, in his head, Putin is at war not with Ukraine," Khodorkovsky said. "He's at war with the United States and NATO. He said this more than once."
https://www.businessinsider.in/polit...w/90631324.cms
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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...d-b992288.html
Lots of photos of the brigade on Twitter along with photos of the faces of all of those sending loot home from Belarus, hopefully face recognition will identify these people and they will face the consequences one way or another.
The suspected commander of Russian operations in Bucha has been named by Ukrainian sources amid demands for accountability over the atrocities by Vladimir Putin’s forces.
Lt Colonel Azatbek Omurbekov leads the 64th Separate Motorised Rifle Brigade which occupied the city in Kyiv region where troops are accused of massacring the local population, it is claimed.
Growing evidence points to barbarism in Bucha with local women and children reportedly raped and shot.
Ukrainian activists and web sleuths have allegedly identified the presence of Omurbekov’s forces - which are normally based in the far east of Russia - and a number of other Russian military units.
Volunteers group Tretya Sila reported: “In Bucha there was a military unit 51460 from the village of Knyaze-Volkonskoye, Khabarovsk region...
Lt Colonel Azatbek Omurbekov leads the 64th Separate Motorised Rifle Brigade which occupied the city in Kyiv region where troops are accused of massacring the local population, it is claimed.
Growing evidence points to barbarism in Bucha with local women and children reportedly raped and shot.
Ukrainian activists and web sleuths have allegedly identified the presence of Omurbekov’s forces - which are normally based in the far east of Russia - and a number of other Russian military units.
Volunteers group Tretya Sila reported: “In Bucha there was a military unit 51460 from the village of Knyaze-Volkonskoye, Khabarovsk region...
Here we go, should say hit by a "Neptune": missile, damage not yet known, the ship is probably "Admiral Essen", picture below:
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Damaged Armour returning to Russia apparently
In the mean time we've got a Ukrainian captured convoy
In the mean time we've got a Ukrainian captured convoy
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From your keen observation, have you ever seen any estimates of the numbers of Russian men/equipment involved from the outset, to try and make more sense of these figures ? The only one I recall seeing was 180 000 - 200 000 men but nothing else. It's puzzling that the Ukranians haven't published anything now and then to accompany the regular lists of men/material out of combat.
From your keen observation, have you ever seen any estimates of the numbers of Russian men/equipment involved from the outset, to try and make more sense of these figures ? The only one I recall seeing was 180 000 - 200 000 men but nothing else. It's puzzling that the Ukranians haven't published anything now and then to accompany the regular lists of men/material out of combat.
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Nutty
From your keen observation, have you ever seen any estimates of the numbers of Russian men/equipment involved from the outset, to try and make more sense of these figures ? The only one I recall seeing was 180 000 - 200 000 men but nothing else. It's puzzling that the Ukranians haven't published anything now and then to accompany the regular lists of men/material out of combat.
From your keen observation, have you ever seen any estimates of the numbers of Russian men/equipment involved from the outset, to try and make more sense of these figures ? The only one I recall seeing was 180 000 - 200 000 men but nothing else. It's puzzling that the Ukranians haven't published anything now and then to accompany the regular lists of men/material out of combat.
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Oohh I was worried for a a moment!!!! Idk those Ria Novosti camera guys are pretty ballsy . Check out their mine clearance film ) Or maybe that is RUssian SOP to have the camerman walk in front of the sweepers.
If you read Aleksandr Dugin that is not a view that should come as a surprise. Perhaps saying it on national tv is more of a surprise.
"On the key question of Ukraine, Dugin underlines: "Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning. It has no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness" (377). "Ukraine as an independent state with certain territorial ambitions," he warns, "represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics" (348). And he adds that, "[T]he independent existence of Ukraine (especially within its present borders) can make sense only as a 'sanitary cordon'" (379). However, as we have seen, for Dugin all such "sanitary cordons" are inadmissible. Dugin speculates that three extreme western regions of Ukraine--Volynia, Galicia, and TransCarpathia--heavily populated with Uniates and other Catholics, could be permitted to form an independent "Western Ukrainian Federation." But this area must not under any circumstances be permitted to fall under Atlanticist control (382). With the exception of these three western regions, Ukraine, like Belorussia, is seen as an integral part of Eurasia-Russia."
"On the key question of Ukraine, Dugin underlines: "Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning. It has no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness" (377). "Ukraine as an independent state with certain territorial ambitions," he warns, "represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics" (348). And he adds that, "[T]he independent existence of Ukraine (especially within its present borders) can make sense only as a 'sanitary cordon'" (379). However, as we have seen, for Dugin all such "sanitary cordons" are inadmissible. Dugin speculates that three extreme western regions of Ukraine--Volynia, Galicia, and TransCarpathia--heavily populated with Uniates and other Catholics, could be permitted to form an independent "Western Ukrainian Federation." But this area must not under any circumstances be permitted to fall under Atlanticist control (382). With the exception of these three western regions, Ukraine, like Belorussia, is seen as an integral part of Eurasia-Russia."
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