Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Aircrew Forums > Military Aviation
Reload this Page >

Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Military Aviation A forum for the professionals who fly military hardware. Also for the backroom boys and girls who support the flying and maintain the equipment, and without whom nothing would ever leave the ground. All armies, navies and air forces of the world equally welcome here.

Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 16th Mar 2022, 12:21
  #3281 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 327
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
Originally Posted by TURIN
Is that flotilla in International waters? At what point does it become a legitimate target for Ukrainian forces?
Surely it became a legitimate target the moment Russia attacked Ukraine
Frostchamber is offline  
Old 16th Mar 2022, 12:21
  #3282 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Scotland
Age: 43
Posts: 120
Received 14 Likes on 6 Posts
Originally Posted by TURIN
Is that flotilla in International waters? At what point does it become a legitimate target for Ukrainian forces?
Ukraine's article 51 right to self-defence imposes no explicit restrictions on where it can use force. Given the clear-cut nature of the aggression it faces, Ukraine has the legal authority to target Russian military forces anywhere that they pose a threat, including in Russia or in international waters.
Recc is offline  
Old 16th Mar 2022, 12:24
  #3283 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: back out to Grasse
Posts: 557
Received 28 Likes on 12 Posts
The possibility of this flotilla deciding to surrender to Ukraine or scuttle their ships is not lost on me. The onboard commissars must be looking over their shoulders every minute.

IG
Imagegear is offline  
Old 16th Mar 2022, 12:25
  #3284 (permalink)  
Drain Bamaged
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Earth
Age: 56
Posts: 536
Received 24 Likes on 8 Posts
Originally Posted by NutLoose
Am I the only one who find those numbers grossly inflated?
ehwatezedoing is offline  
Old 16th Mar 2022, 12:29
  #3285 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: East Sussex
Posts: 490
Received 24 Likes on 9 Posts
Originally Posted by ehwatezedoing
Am I the only one who find those numbers grossly inflated?
Probably.......

WB627 is offline  
Old 16th Mar 2022, 12:31
  #3286 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: back out to Grasse
Posts: 557
Received 28 Likes on 12 Posts
Possibly, although to be fair they have been slowly increasing every day and sometimes certain elements have not suffered further loss.

But in less than 24 hours they have lost a swathe of Helicopters and at least 2 SU30's, so it's not out of the realms of believability.

IG
Imagegear is offline  
Old 16th Mar 2022, 12:41
  #3287 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: London
Posts: 1,567
Received 8 Likes on 7 Posts
Its revealing looking at a map of Ukraine and the extent of Russian advances in the south, which seem to be bounded to some extent by natural barriers (large rivers etc). Kherson is not that far from Mikolaiv, which remains in Ukrainian hands - I wouldn't be surprised if there's a push to retake it sometime soon. Also, Mariupol is only a few tens of kilometres from the Russian border - amazing its been able to hold out for this long.
dead_pan is online now  
Old 16th Mar 2022, 12:48
  #3288 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: sussex
Age: 75
Posts: 192
Received 2 Likes on 1 Post
An interesting overview of the situation from RUSI.
https://rusi.org/explore-our-researc...uation-ukraine
skridlov is offline  
Old 16th Mar 2022, 12:58
  #3289 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: London
Posts: 1,567
Received 8 Likes on 7 Posts
Kherson is not that far from Mikolaiv, which remains in Ukrainian hands - I wouldn't be surprised if there's a push to retake it sometime soon
Russian military reporting they've repelled a Ukrainian counter-attack on the Kakhovka HEP station to the east of Kherson, which was captured by them on the first day of the war.
dead_pan is online now  
Old 16th Mar 2022, 13:10
  #3290 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2021
Location: UK
Posts: 124
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by dead_pan
Russian military reporting they've repelled a Ukrainian counter-attack on the Kakhovka HEP station to the east of Kherson, which was captured by them on the first day of the war.
I'd be interested to see the source\date, according to my friend in Kherson, Kakhovka HPS was in Ukraine hands on Saturday, although Kakhova city certainly saw a lot more fighting, heavy armour than Kherson did.
Usertim is offline  
Old 16th Mar 2022, 13:27
  #3291 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 32,096
Received 2,431 Likes on 1,014 Posts
Oh dear..never mind Probably nothing to do with the war, but mildy satisfying.






Last edited by NutLoose; 16th Mar 2022 at 14:01.
NutLoose is online now  
Old 16th Mar 2022, 13:41
  #3292 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2022
Location: Worcestershire
Posts: 149
Received 11 Likes on 8 Posts
Thumbs up

Originally Posted by ehwatezedoing
Am I the only one who find those numbers grossly inflated?
Also, probably
MJ89 is offline  
Old 16th Mar 2022, 13:46
  #3293 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 32,096
Received 2,431 Likes on 1,014 Posts
Possible photos of the previous reported 30 helicopters destroyed at Kherson.








And more from the latest attack plus a follow up attack

The result of night strikes at Kherson airport can be seen in the right photo, in comparison to what happened after the daytime shelling yesterday. Russian military decided to remove some of the equipment, but have lost more than 10 helicopters in two days.




Link plus link on page to a high resolution image

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...base-in-flames

High res version

https://gifyu.com/image/SMXkl

Last edited by NutLoose; 16th Mar 2022 at 13:58.
NutLoose is online now  
Old 16th Mar 2022, 13:53
  #3294 (permalink)  

Only half a speed-brake
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Commuting not home
Age: 46
Posts: 4,297
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Originally Posted by NutLoose

So so brave, fighting back with rocks.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1503276878697746438



..
​​​​​​
Sure you understand that is West Bank footage sarcastically dressed as UKR to illicit reactions?

1) the Ukrainians would chose a dark spot with Molotov to kill, not a bright crossroad to film themselves.

2) Russian army would unleash fire on the youngsters, we had seen much worse than that recently.


​​​​​
FlightDetent is offline  
Old 16th Mar 2022, 14:01
  #3295 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 32,096
Received 2,431 Likes on 1,014 Posts
Thanks, removed the link.
NutLoose is online now  
Old 16th Mar 2022, 14:55
  #3296 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: Rhone-Alpes
Posts: 1,142
Received 220 Likes on 126 Posts
Originally Posted by layman
RatherBeFlying
but today I was listening to a talk by a former senior Australian Defence public servant (Paul Dibb). He said he had information from 'impeccable sources' that captured conscripts are being given a phone to ring home.
.
Unsure what these impeccable sources might be - or why needed - but there have been numerous televised instances of exactly this happening over the last 10 days.
Tartiflette Fan is online now  
Old 16th Mar 2022, 15:57
  #3297 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2021
Location: UK
Posts: 124
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Some alleged on the ground post attack video from Kerson airport. Looks genuine , and looks like orcs got hammered ( sorry for reddit link)

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...llery_hits_on/
Usertim is offline  
Old 16th Mar 2022, 16:01
  #3298 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Mostly in my own imagination
Posts: 432
Received 150 Likes on 80 Posts
Regarding tanks stuck in the mud: What's the standard tactics for a defender?

They would be great to use against the attacker, but to do that you'd have to get them out of the mud which by definition can't be an easy task or they wouldn't be stuck.

If you just leave them, they might get rescued at some point so that's not a good strategy

Do you just take anything movable and/or interesting, unload the ammunition maybe then try to destroy them in place? And how would you do that? Rip out the wiring, pour petrol inside and ignite it? put sand in the fuel tank?
Sue VÍtements is offline  
Old 16th Mar 2022, 16:19
  #3299 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Scotland
Age: 43
Posts: 120
Received 14 Likes on 6 Posts
Originally Posted by Usertim
Some alleged on the ground post attack video from Kerson airport. Looks genuine , and looks like orcs got hammered ( sorry for reddit link)

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...llery_hits_on/
Definitely filmed on the apron at Kherson airport; the distinctive lettering "XEPCOH" (Kherson) visible on the terminal building at 1.30. These can be compared to pre-war photos of the terminal. Clearly a lot of ground vehicles destroyed in addition to the burning/ destroyed helicopters that were visible on the satellite images. Looks to be a very successful strike for the Ukrainian forces.

Also notable that the footage appears to be approximately concurrent with the 1st set of (Planet) images, with vehicles still burning and helicopters visible that are shown destroyed in the later Planet imagery (16/03). Suggests that there were further attacks after this footage was filmed.

Last edited by Recc; 16th Mar 2022 at 16:30.
Recc is offline  
Old 16th Mar 2022, 16:42
  #3300 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 32,096
Received 2,431 Likes on 1,014 Posts
I don't get it, they are helicopters, who in the right mind would stick them on an airfield and not disperse them to the surrounding fields.
If fuel and arming are issues, set up refuelling locations in fields and separate arming points, at least do not park them on a concrete apron in pretty lines where the blast damage would be increased.
Surrounding fields and earth might absorb some of any near misses and being dispersed lessen your losses.
Talk about over confident and amateur hour.
NutLoose is online now  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.