British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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My update of the weeks events......
I have been hooked on this forum since leaving BASSA before the first round of strikes, and today I thought I would post for the first time with an update of my week so far for the benefit of MissM and Juan Odeboyse who seem be living in a parallel universe – far removed from reality.
Tues reported for airport standby duty, left after six hours – not required. VCC’s were also stood down without being used. Spoke with 1 x CSD and 5 x Main Crew who were all on strike in March, but have now returned to work.
Last night reported for a split duty, I had a full crew complement - no VCC’s, flight fully booked. As was return sector this morning, with 5 commuters onboard all reporting for duty today. My partner reported for l/h service last night and 12 out of 14 crew turned up for work.
I have just driven past the picket by T4/Cargo and there wasn’t one BASSA flag waver in sight. The news footage this week would also indicate a severe lack of support at BFC this time, but seemingly thousands are turning up?
Whilst I fully respect anyone’s decision to take part in legal industrial action, having to ‘big up’ the situation to make the strike look more effective is just pathetic. Willie is winning this battle and I’m sure he hasn’t shown all his cards yet!
Tues reported for airport standby duty, left after six hours – not required. VCC’s were also stood down without being used. Spoke with 1 x CSD and 5 x Main Crew who were all on strike in March, but have now returned to work.
Last night reported for a split duty, I had a full crew complement - no VCC’s, flight fully booked. As was return sector this morning, with 5 commuters onboard all reporting for duty today. My partner reported for l/h service last night and 12 out of 14 crew turned up for work.
I have just driven past the picket by T4/Cargo and there wasn’t one BASSA flag waver in sight. The news footage this week would also indicate a severe lack of support at BFC this time, but seemingly thousands are turning up?
Whilst I fully respect anyone’s decision to take part in legal industrial action, having to ‘big up’ the situation to make the strike look more effective is just pathetic. Willie is winning this battle and I’m sure he hasn’t shown all his cards yet!
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Talking about new fleet and lower T & C.
How about the rumor reported on different forums that an offer of new fleet contract or out for the strikers is in the pipeline?
Anyone else heard this rumor? What if?
How about the rumor reported on different forums that an offer of new fleet contract or out for the strikers is in the pipeline?
Anyone else heard this rumor? What if?
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Now please look at yourselves and think how would you live on that?
Live within your means not within your available credit?
(Before you ask I have no debt aside from my mortgage which I can adequately service. Welcome to the post finacial crash world!)
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Whether or not I will support the strike, I find insulting the comments from most of forum posters who will be happy if staff travel wasn't returned.
I would dearly love for those who have been on strike to come into the terminals or volunteer for the call centre to speak directly to those affected. Thankfully, our customers have been extremely understanding and supportive. I have had the opportunity and the pleasure to speak to many of our customers and by far they have all been fantastic. I have dealt with customers who, given the situation, I would have completely understood if they were angry or upset. Yet they have been patient and even having a laugh with us, both when I've been in the call centre or in the terminal at my regular job.
Thankfully most of our cabin crew appear to recognise that BASSA and Unite do not run BA and pay their salaries and have come into work to keep us flying and for that they have my greatest respect. Some may have done it reluctantly, but that doesn't matter, they have still worked and our customers are happier for it.
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ns68,
Take a good look at the terms and conditions of the airlines you trumpet so much. Much as someone posted that BA pilots are paid far more then Virgin, the reality of per hour cost is somewhat different to the headline grabbing figures when contracted hours are taken into account.
Have a look at the working practices of AF/LKM, LH and, now, Alitalia and you will find a workforce that works far longer hours and doesn't have the ability to hold the company to ransom over disruption etc.
BASSA want power nothing else and they are more than willing to sacrifice you, me and the rest of BA to cling to it.
Take a good look at the terms and conditions of the airlines you trumpet so much. Much as someone posted that BA pilots are paid far more then Virgin, the reality of per hour cost is somewhat different to the headline grabbing figures when contracted hours are taken into account.
Have a look at the working practices of AF/LKM, LH and, now, Alitalia and you will find a workforce that works far longer hours and doesn't have the ability to hold the company to ransom over disruption etc.
BASSA want power nothing else and they are more than willing to sacrifice you, me and the rest of BA to cling to it.
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Work a bit harder....?
Even the notion that the cc are being asked to work harder for the same money is open to interpretation...
All BA aircraft are crewed for a 100% passenger load, yet our AVERAGE load factor is in the region of 76%. It could therefore be argued that we are already carrying about 1/4 too many crew on each flight.
Now I realise that this is statistical absurdity, but I would ask crew to remember that the "extra" they are being required to give is proportionately A LOT LESS than any other department within the company. For every "hard working" full flight (the ones you always seem to remember), just recall those really easy, half load, night flights when you managed to get to the bunk 90 minutes after take off. This now has to be done with the same number of service crew, just no "spare" in the form of a CSD.
No pay cut. No compulsory redundancies. Guaranteed future pay rises.
No other department has had it so cushy. Not one. And no other department can be manned by anyone with 3 weeks training.
So perhaps instead of moaning about the injustices of life, it might behove you to be thankful that you are being asked to give so little when you are so easy to replace.
All BA aircraft are crewed for a 100% passenger load, yet our AVERAGE load factor is in the region of 76%. It could therefore be argued that we are already carrying about 1/4 too many crew on each flight.
Now I realise that this is statistical absurdity, but I would ask crew to remember that the "extra" they are being required to give is proportionately A LOT LESS than any other department within the company. For every "hard working" full flight (the ones you always seem to remember), just recall those really easy, half load, night flights when you managed to get to the bunk 90 minutes after take off. This now has to be done with the same number of service crew, just no "spare" in the form of a CSD.
No pay cut. No compulsory redundancies. Guaranteed future pay rises.
No other department has had it so cushy. Not one. And no other department can be manned by anyone with 3 weeks training.
So perhaps instead of moaning about the injustices of life, it might behove you to be thankful that you are being asked to give so little when you are so easy to replace.
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Tenko
Use your brain.
Stop listening to the lies coming from Bassa.
Go to work.
Keep your job.
They have already visited everyone else.
Willie doesn't need to try and break you. Duncan is doing quite well on his own.
Use your brain.
Stop listening to the lies coming from Bassa.
Go to work.
Keep your job.
The future of your crew is at stake and if they manange to break us then it is only a matter of time before they visit you.
Willie doesn't need to try and break you. Duncan is doing quite well on his own.
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Runway Vacated.
Well put!
Also.
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The future of your crew is at stake and if they manange to break us then it is only a matter of time before they visit you.
I've never done a media course. However, I did learn that any self penned document that I was about to publish should be proof read beforehand. Perhaps his friends in the press should help him.
Anyway WW seems to be mananging pretty well at the moment
Well put!
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The future of your crew is at stake and if they manange to break us then it is only a matter of time before they visit you.
I've never done a media course. However, I did learn that any self penned document that I was about to publish should be proof read beforehand. Perhaps his friends in the press should help him.
Anyway WW seems to be mananging pretty well at the moment
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tenko wrote:
Isn't a major part of the problem that people are not getting into a debate? If more cabin crew would read BF's emails and as well as BASSA's emails, then surely some of BASSA's pronouncements would be challenged.
Have you read the Way Forward Agreement which Willie Walsh has tabled? I suspect not. This document sets out the cost-cutting which BA needs to grow the business without reducing your basic pay - and you'll get a guaranteed monthly travel payment which replaces much of your taxable allowances.
Why don't you read it and then come back and tell us what you don't like.
Now saying all that, Look deep inside you, before you reply, I'm not interested in getting into a debate, My future is at stake here and I haven't even committed a crime.
We just happen to be the largest group and well they will never stop there, we are just a way forward. A win for Mr Walsh is a way to prove that no one is safe.
Why don't you read it and then come back and tell us what you don't like.
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Tenko is a troll?
Tenko is a troll and we've all fall for it. The contents of that post are in the same vein as the 42yo Mother who missed the birth of her own child.....
I think we know who the real author is.
I think we know who the real author is.
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We cannot take the chance that this gaffer will be sacking people,"
"We will be holding another ballot on staff travel and the disciplinaries," said Simpson. Woodley added that Unite was duty bound to hold another poll because a window of protection for striking crew, mandated by trade union legislation, expires on 10 June and exposes any staff who walk out to the threat of dismissal if they are not protected by a ballot.
"We have got no choice. We have got to give our people legal protection. We cannot take the chance that this gaffer will be sacking people," said Woodley. Unite, buoyed by the 81% and 92% majorities for recent cabin crew strike ballots, believes a new poll will meet with similar success. It is threatening a further ballot because it regards the withdrawal of staff travel and the disciplinary cases as a fundamental breakdown in industrial relations.
Unite and BA talks to resume on Friday | Business | The Guardian
So will they be protected?
"We have got no choice. We have got to give our people legal protection. We cannot take the chance that this gaffer will be sacking people," said Woodley. Unite, buoyed by the 81% and 92% majorities for recent cabin crew strike ballots, believes a new poll will meet with similar success. It is threatening a further ballot because it regards the withdrawal of staff travel and the disciplinary cases as a fundamental breakdown in industrial relations.
Unite and BA talks to resume on Friday | Business | The Guardian
So will they be protected?
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I just have to mention that it somewhat sticks in the throat when you hear about all the bullying and harrasment claims against BA -the cabin crew who are all off sick under investigation - they just cannot handle the stress. Yet rarely have I seen such a campaign of hatred against one man such as the one being waged against Willie Walsh.
Meetings illegally disrupted by shouting abusive protesters - the men sitting across the table from him not only twittering and showing clear lack of regard, courteousness and professionalism, but the minute they are out of his presence then proceed to tell all who will listen that he is a bully - self centred etc etc.
Meanwhile he concentrates on facts and distances himself from personal attacks and continues to do what he is paid to do.
He does not call in sick - he does not cry to his board about unfair treatment and need a big hug.
It very much reminds me of men dealing with children - and those children will learn soon that stomping their feet on the ground and demanding another lollipop will only lead to a smack and standing in the corner. You know what I mean ........
Meetings illegally disrupted by shouting abusive protesters - the men sitting across the table from him not only twittering and showing clear lack of regard, courteousness and professionalism, but the minute they are out of his presence then proceed to tell all who will listen that he is a bully - self centred etc etc.
Meanwhile he concentrates on facts and distances himself from personal attacks and continues to do what he is paid to do.
He does not call in sick - he does not cry to his board about unfair treatment and need a big hug.
It very much reminds me of men dealing with children - and those children will learn soon that stomping their feet on the ground and demanding another lollipop will only lead to a smack and standing in the corner. You know what I mean ........
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Serious question... Is the strike still actually on??
I spent 2 hours this morning listening to the BBC breakfast and then news in my car on the commute and not one mention was made of the strike, not even during the traffic and travel sections. I had to logon to PPRunNe to find out if it was still on.
The impact is so minimal and going un-noticed, is it really worth giving up your salary for?
Still no sign of a picket down here at LGW, did I blink and miss it?
I also have to say the PR coup of having PIMMS and beer available on the picket line, next to the 50k BMW. The Strikers are really going for the public sympathy vote. Maybe if BASSA/Unite approached this with even an iota of business like common sense and with the tiniest view on PR this thing might not be such a farce.
Anyway can't stop, just off to T.W.itt.E.R some confidential discussions, or as it is now called, to Derek. I think I'll Derek the location of tomorrows meeting, see what nutters we can get to crash the party this time!
(obviously a joke!)
CB
Oops! Fat Fingers
I spent 2 hours this morning listening to the BBC breakfast and then news in my car on the commute and not one mention was made of the strike, not even during the traffic and travel sections. I had to logon to PPRunNe to find out if it was still on.
The impact is so minimal and going un-noticed, is it really worth giving up your salary for?
Still no sign of a picket down here at LGW, did I blink and miss it?
I also have to say the PR coup of having PIMMS and beer available on the picket line, next to the 50k BMW. The Strikers are really going for the public sympathy vote. Maybe if BASSA/Unite approached this with even an iota of business like common sense and with the tiniest view on PR this thing might not be such a farce.
Anyway can't stop, just off to T.W.itt.E.R some confidential discussions, or as it is now called, to Derek. I think I'll Derek the location of tomorrows meeting, see what nutters we can get to crash the party this time!
(obviously a joke!)CB
Oops! Fat Fingers
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Next steps?
Shortly before holding the talks, Simpson said Unite was preparing to ballot on the withdrawal of staff travel perks from an estimated 4,000 flight attendants who joined a wave of strikes in March, and on disciplinary action taken against 60 crew members for alleged misdemeanours during that dispute.
"We will be holding another ballot on staff travel and the disciplinaries," said Simpson. Woodley added that Unite was duty bound to hold another poll because a window of protection for striking crew, mandated by trade union legislation, expires on 10 June and exposes any staff who walk out to the threat of dismissal if they are not protected by a ballot.
"We have got no choice. We have got to give our people legal protection. We cannot take the chance that this gaffer will be sacking people," said Woodley. Unite, buoyed by the 81% and 92% majorities for recent cabin crew strike ballots, believes a new poll will meet with similar success. It is threatening a further ballot because it regards the withdrawal of staff travel and the disciplinary cases as a fundamental breakdown in industrial relations.
Source the Guardian
"We will be holding another ballot on staff travel and the disciplinaries," said Simpson. Woodley added that Unite was duty bound to hold another poll because a window of protection for striking crew, mandated by trade union legislation, expires on 10 June and exposes any staff who walk out to the threat of dismissal if they are not protected by a ballot.
"We have got no choice. We have got to give our people legal protection. We cannot take the chance that this gaffer will be sacking people," said Woodley. Unite, buoyed by the 81% and 92% majorities for recent cabin crew strike ballots, believes a new poll will meet with similar success. It is threatening a further ballot because it regards the withdrawal of staff travel and the disciplinary cases as a fundamental breakdown in industrial relations.
Source the Guardian
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Just finished a short haul standby shift in the CRC.
I was not used, as were a number of other standby VCC.
A large number of VCC were being off loaded from long haul flights as all the crew who were rostered had turned up.
I have a long haul over the weekend, I will bet that I get off loaded from that.
Dixie
I was not used, as were a number of other standby VCC.
A large number of VCC were being off loaded from long haul flights as all the crew who were rostered had turned up.
I have a long haul over the weekend, I will bet that I get off loaded from that.
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Originally Posted by Juan Odeboyse
standing firm in the midst of serious bullying by BA mangement
standing firm in the midst of serious bullying by BA mangement
Just wondered if you could back up your statement with some facts.
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After my earlier concerns, I'm pleased to see the schedule is now growing.
JFK - All flights operating!
SFO - Both flights operating
MIA - Both operating
LAX - Two out of three operating
ORD - Both operating
Is there really a strike still going on??
No wonder Willie's in no rush to get back round the table with Unite again, especially when he know's it's a complete waste of time bearing in mind their insistence on ST and disciplinaries and the fact BASSA is still wagging the Unite dog!
I've got a good trip as VCC rostered next week, although I suspect I won't be needed as all the normal crew will probably turn up!
JFK - All flights operating!
SFO - Both flights operating
MIA - Both operating
LAX - Two out of three operating
ORD - Both operating
Is there really a strike still going on??
No wonder Willie's in no rush to get back round the table with Unite again, especially when he know's it's a complete waste of time bearing in mind their insistence on ST and disciplinaries and the fact BASSA is still wagging the Unite dog!
I've got a good trip as VCC rostered next week, although I suspect I won't be needed as all the normal crew will probably turn up!