British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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Choose your side!!
With reference to Zilli's post stating that he/she went to work reluctantly, I take it then, that you voted 'yes' and you support the strike? Obviously you're very unhappy about coming to work during the strike so why did you? Why weren't you down on the picket line with your fellow strikers if you're that upset? If I'm wrong and you voted no 'with a heavy heart' but nonetheless, support Bassa's mission, then by voting no, how is that helping your union? Sorry, just confussed as where your loyalties lay? 
For the record, I have no issue with anyone who may have gone on strike and has now returned as they have lost confidence in Unite/Bassa. Just flew with one actually. She is furious with the way its been handled and is sorry she ever stuck her neck out for such a bunch of turkeys. Sadly there are too many crew like that out there who may well have to suffer the long-term consequences of going out on strike with Bassa.
I don't expect Zilli will be back anytime soon to answer questions.
For the record, I have no issue with anyone who may have gone on strike and has now returned as they have lost confidence in Unite/Bassa. Just flew with one actually. She is furious with the way its been handled and is sorry she ever stuck her neck out for such a bunch of turkeys. Sadly there are too many crew like that out there who may well have to suffer the long-term consequences of going out on strike with Bassa.
I don't expect Zilli will be back anytime soon to answer questions.
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The writing has been on the wall for 5 years.Rod Eddingtons parting gift has,all bar the shouting(5-10 years)achieved his objective.His success made very easy by turning one half of the company against the other.Made easier by pilots strikebreaking,under the disguise of saving the company.In a few days the strikes will be over.Those who tried to make a stand will return.This great big happy family will again take to the skies.One can only guess what life in BA will be like from now on.The irony for those who made the task easy-what goes around,comes around.What support will they get!!.
The writing has been on the wall for 5 years.Rod Eddingtons parting gift has,all bar the shouting(5-10 years)achieved his objective.His success made very easy by turning one half of the company against the other.Made easier by pilots strikebreaking,under the disguise of saving the company.In a few days the strikes will be over.Those who tried to make a stand will return.This great big happy family will again take to the skies.One can only guess what life in BA will be like from now on.The irony for those who made the task easy-what goes around,comes around.What support will they get!!.
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I don't expect Zilli will be back anytime soon to answer questions. 
Just shows how wrong you can be doesnt it? I did vote no to a strike, I am a member of BASSA, and I have gone to work last time and this time with a heavy heart as I stated.
The reason I am not supporting the strike is because I honestly dont think BASSA are representing the members anymore. I personally believe that they thought, the company would conceed again and everything would be rosy in the garden again. I also believe this all involves the top table of BASSA, far more then the member realise, and they are protecting their own jobs. So my reasons for going to work are because, I have lost faith in BASSA.
I wrote the last time that I was disgusted with the attitude and comments made by various VC and most of all pilots, and as long as I fly I will indeed be polite, nothing more, nothing less, but dont ever expect things to be back to pre strike days, as far as socialising or going the extra mile.
Just shows how wrong you can be doesnt it? I did vote no to a strike, I am a member of BASSA, and I have gone to work last time and this time with a heavy heart as I stated.
The reason I am not supporting the strike is because I honestly dont think BASSA are representing the members anymore. I personally believe that they thought, the company would conceed again and everything would be rosy in the garden again. I also believe this all involves the top table of BASSA, far more then the member realise, and they are protecting their own jobs. So my reasons for going to work are because, I have lost faith in BASSA.
I wrote the last time that I was disgusted with the attitude and comments made by various VC and most of all pilots, and as long as I fly I will indeed be polite, nothing more, nothing less, but dont ever expect things to be back to pre strike days, as far as socialising or going the extra mile.
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but dont ever expect things to be back to pre strike days, as far as socialising or going the extra mile.
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Pornpants, Damn! You beat me to it!
Why do some people rate their social company so highly? Those who used to socialise before the strike will continue to do so; those who didn't, won't.
I don't think anyone is going to lose any sleep over it.
Why do some people rate their social company so highly? Those who used to socialise before the strike will continue to do so; those who didn't, won't.
I don't think anyone is going to lose any sleep over it.
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Good post Zilli
For sure,this short term lovey dovey between WW/VC/Pilots/Non strikers vs the rest will,once the dust has settled require some very skilled management!.I,ll say no more!
For sure,this short term lovey dovey between WW/VC/Pilots/Non strikers vs the rest will,once the dust has settled require some very skilled management!.I,ll say no more!
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The irony for those who made the task easy-what goes around,comes around.What support will they get!
Not to mention those others on lower grades around the company who were told to reapply for their jobs.
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Eddy wrote:
You may have a point but nobody is compelling you to take action. You are talking like Unite who say they are compelled to take action, as if BA is holding a gun to their head!
To take IA is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. You will most likely have plenty of time to reflect on the consequences of this whilst you are seeking another job (if not a Unite member).
My issue would be that the company didn't see fit to train existing crew to work in the role of purser or CSD instead and give those 'regular' crew who have chosen to "Back BA" so they could gain some experience.
It might be a foolish move on my part, but it's a move I'd feel compelled to make.
It might be a foolish move on my part, but it's a move I'd feel compelled to make.
To take IA is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. You will most likely have plenty of time to reflect on the consequences of this whilst you are seeking another job (if not a Unite member).
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Giza just wanted to say that the crew member who is paying around £500 to get to work fromWashington DC is infact a striker and lost staff travel - but when its not a strike day she has been given a flight and comes to work.
I have been with company 20 yrs and flying 14yrs - and voted to accept deal and do not want to strike and have been coming into work thru out all these strike periods ........ so maybe Company should offer CSD and Purser roles to main crew first......... think that is what Eddy means.
I also do think there is some very good crew who have striked........ and honestly meant well because in the very beginning I was so confused by it all myself and I know we did offer a lot to help our Company, but now things have just gone on and on and so the good excellent professional crew who got caught up in it all in the begining are now stuck.
For myself, I read everything there was to read from the Company, Union etc.... and also tried to explain to a lot of my colleagues to be careful if u go on strike. Infact finding this Forum has helped and have got loads of crew to have a look at it!
I have been with company 20 yrs and flying 14yrs - and voted to accept deal and do not want to strike and have been coming into work thru out all these strike periods ........ so maybe Company should offer CSD and Purser roles to main crew first......... think that is what Eddy means.
I also do think there is some very good crew who have striked........ and honestly meant well because in the very beginning I was so confused by it all myself and I know we did offer a lot to help our Company, but now things have just gone on and on and so the good excellent professional crew who got caught up in it all in the begining are now stuck.
For myself, I read everything there was to read from the Company, Union etc.... and also tried to explain to a lot of my colleagues to be careful if u go on strike. Infact finding this Forum has helped and have got loads of crew to have a look at it!
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I will socialise with the people I like AND anyone else who wants to come out, part of the job is to get on with a wide variety of people, so maybe BA is not the right place for some people to be working after this IA has finished ... you know who you are (and so do many other people in BA)
Zilli,
I actually agree with your last post - at least the first paragraph. sadly you then blew it and once again had a dig at volunteers AND MOST OF ALL PILOTS!! Same old same old!!
This continuing stike action is ALL about power. bassa have been able to exert their bullying style for the last 20 years - bullying being the threat of strike action at every turn. The negotiating style of "NO, NO, NO - what's the question?" has unfortunately served them well for decades, but only because of weak management in IFS/IFCE. At long last we have a CEO with the temerity to stand against this bullying union - the most militant union in the UK - and say enough is enough.
It is the role of senior management to manage - to set out a business plan and make the decisions that are required to make us a successful company. It is senior management that decide and then implement procedures - not a bunch of militants with a power complex. So much of the rhetoric from lalaland would imply that the success of the airline has all down to cabin crew!
HOW TOTALLY INSULTING TO THE REST OF US!!
I am the first to acknowledge that when BA cabin crew are good, they are really good!!! However, a lot of the time this is most definitely NOT the case and the general public often point this out. So often I have seen shoddy service it has made me deeply embarrassed.
When this strike is eventually over our working environment WILL be very different. The good people will always be good, but the dross will not. I hope very strongly that the role of performance management will take on a whole new meaning and enable the removal of this dross!!
I actually agree with your last post - at least the first paragraph. sadly you then blew it and once again had a dig at volunteers AND MOST OF ALL PILOTS!! Same old same old!!
This continuing stike action is ALL about power. bassa have been able to exert their bullying style for the last 20 years - bullying being the threat of strike action at every turn. The negotiating style of "NO, NO, NO - what's the question?" has unfortunately served them well for decades, but only because of weak management in IFS/IFCE. At long last we have a CEO with the temerity to stand against this bullying union - the most militant union in the UK - and say enough is enough.
It is the role of senior management to manage - to set out a business plan and make the decisions that are required to make us a successful company. It is senior management that decide and then implement procedures - not a bunch of militants with a power complex. So much of the rhetoric from lalaland would imply that the success of the airline has all down to cabin crew!
HOW TOTALLY INSULTING TO THE REST OF US!!
I am the first to acknowledge that when BA cabin crew are good, they are really good!!! However, a lot of the time this is most definitely NOT the case and the general public often point this out. So often I have seen shoddy service it has made me deeply embarrassed.
When this strike is eventually over our working environment WILL be very different. The good people will always be good, but the dross will not. I hope very strongly that the role of performance management will take on a whole new meaning and enable the removal of this dross!!
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Originally Posted by CaliforniaGirl
so maybe Company should offer CSD and Purser roles to main crew first......... think that is what Eddy means.
We're good enough to work up on any normal day but, because we haven't done a SCCM course, I'm not good enough to do it during the strikes?
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CSDs etc
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We're good enough to work up on any normal day but, because we haven't done a SCCM course, I'm not good enough to do it during the strikes?
We're good enough to work up on any normal day but, because we haven't done a SCCM course, I'm not good enough to do it during the strikes?
However maybe now is the time to offer the opportunities to regular non striking crew.
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unbelievable - talk about glass half empty. Everyone else has made their cuts already. The world changes and so will everyones T&C's, it you cant understand that, people should not be working in this dynamic industry.
BASSA may try and get the rest of BA on their side by threatening things will happen to other work groups in the future (and they will), but there will be not future if BASSA are not dealt with now
As said before, apart from 3/4000 cabin crew, i would say 99% of the rest are proud to BACK BA and not BASSA.
BASSA may try and get the rest of BA on their side by threatening things will happen to other work groups in the future (and they will), but there will be not future if BASSA are not dealt with now
As said before, apart from 3/4000 cabin crew, i would say 99% of the rest are proud to BACK BA and not BASSA.
British Airways plc v Williams & Ors [2010] UKSC 16 (24 March 2010)
Is that BACKING BA?
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Willie has a war chest of many hundreds of millions of pounds. Even if it costs him, say, 200 million to sort this out - set up New Fleet, change agreements and generally neutralise BASSA, he and the City will see it as money well spent.
Look at the Investor day presentation - he will save many many times that initial outlay of 200 million in the next 10 or 15 years.
This is a good investment for BA.
Plus no more whines from cabin crew that they can't do this or that extra bit of duty or the UNION will fine them!
Look at the Investor day presentation - he will save many many times that initial outlay of 200 million in the next 10 or 15 years.
This is a good investment for BA.
Plus no more whines from cabin crew that they can't do this or that extra bit of duty or the UNION will fine them!
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Ottergirl,
Quite honestly one of the most perceptive and prescient points anyone has ever raised on here, especially those who are praying for the destruction of BASSA. It's telling that there's an automatic assumption that the "replacement" will be a model of union diplomacy. Who's to say, after all BASSA is the child of the membership itself.
MrB
Quite honestly one of the most perceptive and prescient points anyone has ever raised on here, especially those who are praying for the destruction of BASSA. It's telling that there's an automatic assumption that the "replacement" will be a model of union diplomacy. Who's to say, after all BASSA is the child of the membership itself.
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I'm quite sure. But the company is happy for crew with one years' flying experience to work up as purser from standby when some of the other main crew onboard have been flying for 20 years.