British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: glos
Posts: 96
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
BASSA dictionary
Meal chucker
To find the meaning of the verb "bullying" in the sense Juan means, you will have to consult the BASSA dictionary:
BULLYING (vb, only ever used by the victim (qv)) doing something I don't like or disagree with. This may, or may not, be preceded by WARNINGS (qv)
This is the same dictionary where the definition of "CRM" is:
"Being nice(qv) to me"
And "BAD CRM" is
"Exercising your authority over me"
All tic of course!
To find the meaning of the verb "bullying" in the sense Juan means, you will have to consult the BASSA dictionary:
BULLYING (vb, only ever used by the victim (qv)) doing something I don't like or disagree with. This may, or may not, be preceded by WARNINGS (qv)
This is the same dictionary where the definition of "CRM" is:
"Being nice(qv) to me"
And "BAD CRM" is
"Exercising your authority over me"
All tic of course!
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: London
Age: 56
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
24H sitting at home
Hi there all,
I am currently on 24 hour available and sitting at home without being used.
I rang scheduling to ask if they have forgotten about me, but was assured that all is well and they have plenty more people turning up for work then they expected.......
It speaks for itself.
I am happy, looking forward to a bank holiday at home with friends.
I am currently on 24 hour available and sitting at home without being used.
I rang scheduling to ask if they have forgotten about me, but was assured that all is well and they have plenty more people turning up for work then they expected.......
It speaks for itself.
I am happy, looking forward to a bank holiday at home with friends.
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 289
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I think we're starting to see the endgame play out.
The quote from the crew ops guy today was that they had so many reporting cabin crew they didn't know what to do with them.
Good to see so much evidence of the PCCC on the noticeboards too!
The quote from the crew ops guy today was that they had so many reporting cabin crew they didn't know what to do with them.
Good to see so much evidence of the PCCC on the noticeboards too!
Join Date: May 2002
Location: uk
Posts: 337
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I'm in India. We have 4 icc's and 4 regular crew on a - full - 777.
All flts are operating min crew.
BA are being very cautious by not allocating more crew than necessary, and by standing down spare crew for use later if needed.
We had a choice of 6 regular crew and 2 vols at briefing (plus the 4 icc crew).
Don't know what the spare 4 crew ended up doing.
I spoke to 2 general managers and they are very confident that the strike is effectively over; more and more crew are reporting. ( above the company's most optimistic targets).
By the end of the strike the remaining strikers will no longer be req'd.
Very funny that the militants are mocking the advert for temps, not actually realising it is temp cabin crew that are being recruited.
TO REPLACE THEM!!!!!!!
All flts are operating min crew.
BA are being very cautious by not allocating more crew than necessary, and by standing down spare crew for use later if needed.
We had a choice of 6 regular crew and 2 vols at briefing (plus the 4 icc crew).
Don't know what the spare 4 crew ended up doing.
I spoke to 2 general managers and they are very confident that the strike is effectively over; more and more crew are reporting. ( above the company's most optimistic targets).
By the end of the strike the remaining strikers will no longer be req'd.
Very funny that the militants are mocking the advert for temps, not actually realising it is temp cabin crew that are being recruited.
TO REPLACE THEM!!!!!!!
Last edited by The Blu Riband; 27th May 2010 at 19:04.
Join Date: May 2005
Location: uk
Posts: 108
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
If the rumours about BA advertising for Cabin crew is correct, then I would be slightly concerned that the end game is near.
I am pretty sure (feel free to correct me) that BA cannot replace dismissed striking staff for three month. So three months would be about September. When are the vacancies for? September. Alarm bells anyone?
I am pretty sure (feel free to correct me) that BA cannot replace dismissed striking staff for three month. So three months would be about September. When are the vacancies for? September. Alarm bells anyone?
Join Date: May 2010
Location: end of 27L
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Doing a bit of light reading earlier, like to know the world I am operating in.
Emirates recently released their £100m (9% margin) profit making accounts, despite all the economic woe. It was intereting to note was their employee costs were 15.9% of all costs for 2009/10. BA for the same period was 24.3%
This ladies and gentleman is what we are up against, the new world competition have much lower cost bases, newer aircraft/products and the desire to expand rapidly.
It is not difficult to see one of the reasons they made a profit and we didn't come close.
It sounds like the revised timetable is picking up speed and by the end of the strike 90% ops is achieveable. Keep up the good work everybody.
Emirates recently released their £100m (9% margin) profit making accounts, despite all the economic woe. It was intereting to note was their employee costs were 15.9% of all costs for 2009/10. BA for the same period was 24.3%
This ladies and gentleman is what we are up against, the new world competition have much lower cost bases, newer aircraft/products and the desire to expand rapidly.
It is not difficult to see one of the reasons they made a profit and we didn't come close.
It sounds like the revised timetable is picking up speed and by the end of the strike 90% ops is achieveable. Keep up the good work everybody.
swalesboy
This link was from "sted d edd" post earlier...
"... Woodley added that Unite was duty bound to hold another poll because a window of protection for striking crew, mandated by trade union legislation, expires on 10 June and exposes any staff who walk out to the threat of dismissal if they are not protected by a ballot.
Last edited by wiggy; 27th May 2010 at 18:42. Reason: correction, adding quote
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 107
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It was intereting to note was their employee costs were 15.9% of all costs for 2009/10. BA for the same period was 24.3%
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Oxfordshire
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I too have found the atmosphere at work to be delightful whilst the bassa crew stay at Bedfont.
It's really been a pleasure , crew doing their job properly, having a laugh down route and going home happy. I never thought I'd feel this way , but I'd be thrilled if we could add a few more dismissals to the list.
There was a good summary earlier which included
" Work a bit harder....?
Even the notion that the cc are being asked to work harder for the same money is open to interpretation...
All BA aircraft are crewed for a 100% passenger load, yet our AVERAGE load factor is in the region of 76%. It could therefore be argued that we are already carrying about 1/4 too many crew on each flight.
Now I realise that this is statistical absurdity, but I would ask crew to remember that the "extra" they are being required to give is proportionately A LOT LESS than any other department within the company. For every "hard working" full flight (the ones you always seem to remember), just recall those really easy, half load, night flights when you managed to get to the bunk 90 minutes after take off. This now has to be done with the same number of service crew, just no "spare" in the form of a CSD.
No pay cut. No compulsory redundancies. Guaranteed future pay rises.
No other department has had it so cushy. Not one. And no other department can be manned by anyone with 3 weeks training.
So perhaps instead of moaning about the injustices of life, it might behove you to be thankful that you are being asked to give so little when you are so easy to replace."
So , to sum up. I'm really excited at the prospect of a full schedule , however I'd be saddened if all the BASAA crowd return! WE JUST DONT NEED THEM!
It's really been a pleasure , crew doing their job properly, having a laugh down route and going home happy. I never thought I'd feel this way , but I'd be thrilled if we could add a few more dismissals to the list.
There was a good summary earlier which included
" Work a bit harder....?
Even the notion that the cc are being asked to work harder for the same money is open to interpretation...
All BA aircraft are crewed for a 100% passenger load, yet our AVERAGE load factor is in the region of 76%. It could therefore be argued that we are already carrying about 1/4 too many crew on each flight.
Now I realise that this is statistical absurdity, but I would ask crew to remember that the "extra" they are being required to give is proportionately A LOT LESS than any other department within the company. For every "hard working" full flight (the ones you always seem to remember), just recall those really easy, half load, night flights when you managed to get to the bunk 90 minutes after take off. This now has to be done with the same number of service crew, just no "spare" in the form of a CSD.
No pay cut. No compulsory redundancies. Guaranteed future pay rises.
No other department has had it so cushy. Not one. And no other department can be manned by anyone with 3 weeks training.
So perhaps instead of moaning about the injustices of life, it might behove you to be thankful that you are being asked to give so little when you are so easy to replace."
So , to sum up. I'm really excited at the prospect of a full schedule , however I'd be saddened if all the BASAA crowd return! WE JUST DONT NEED THEM!
Join Date: May 2005
Location: uk
Posts: 108
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Wiggy
I read that earlier, but I wonder if Willy Walsh would do the dirty deed if a new ballot was announced.
This has got to come to an end soon. I cant see him putting up with another 3 months of disruption, and there is no way he is going to cave in.
I read that earlier, but I wonder if Willy Walsh would do the dirty deed if a new ballot was announced.
This has got to come to an end soon. I cant see him putting up with another 3 months of disruption, and there is no way he is going to cave in.
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Hertfordshire
Posts: 49
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It was intereting to note was their employee costs were 15.9% of all costs for 2009/10. BA for the same period was 24.3%
To reduce it to 15.9% would mean everyone taking a pay cut of 41%.
How does that grab you?
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Aberdeen, Scotland
Posts: 644
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I'm trying to remember what Mr. Walsh said about staff travel.
For those who have already lost it but have decided to come to work this time around, will they still enjoy its return only without seniority?
I thought Mr. Walsh said that "if a strike goes ahead" or "if the strike goes ahead". Not sure it said anything about specific people.
So is someone who has seen the light since March and decided to come to work going to suffer the complete loss of their staff travel because of the continued action even though they've decided not to take part in it?
For those who have already lost it but have decided to come to work this time around, will they still enjoy its return only without seniority?
I thought Mr. Walsh said that "if a strike goes ahead" or "if the strike goes ahead". Not sure it said anything about specific people.
So is someone who has seen the light since March and decided to come to work going to suffer the complete loss of their staff travel because of the continued action even though they've decided not to take part in it?
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Different places
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I came home to LHR this afternoon. Passenger loads on both flights were similiar and good. Our passengers were really friendly and grateful that they were getting to their destinations. T5 was more or less like any other normal afternoon.
It was a really good trip with some fantastic crew. We had a really good time together downroute and it was dreary to say good bye to everyone back at base. I do have to say that our onboard service during the strike is inferior and our customers are not getting what they have paid for and earn. Our brand is also taking a huge blow, which is worrying, but what I have noticed during this strike, including March, is that you are working with like-minded people wanting the very best for BA. We do have to work harder and it can be a bit of a mess before everything settles but it's amazing that everyone is pulling their weight to make it work. The atmosphere at work, without the presence of the strikers, is relaxed without any tension and disturbance. It already begins at the bus from the car park.
I'm going to enjoy my days off now all alone as my other half is away on a trip. Quality time! By the way, he's yet to be used as volunteer cabin crew regardless him being on one of the first training courses for pilots. See you all at work next week!
WW Purser
It was a really good trip with some fantastic crew. We had a really good time together downroute and it was dreary to say good bye to everyone back at base. I do have to say that our onboard service during the strike is inferior and our customers are not getting what they have paid for and earn. Our brand is also taking a huge blow, which is worrying, but what I have noticed during this strike, including March, is that you are working with like-minded people wanting the very best for BA. We do have to work harder and it can be a bit of a mess before everything settles but it's amazing that everyone is pulling their weight to make it work. The atmosphere at work, without the presence of the strikers, is relaxed without any tension and disturbance. It already begins at the bus from the car park.
I'm going to enjoy my days off now all alone as my other half is away on a trip. Quality time! By the way, he's yet to be used as volunteer cabin crew regardless him being on one of the first training courses for pilots. See you all at work next week!
WW Purser
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Gatwick
Posts: 1,980
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Staff Travel
TRADE UNION AND LABOUR RELATIONS (CONSOLIDATION) ACT 1992 s.146
Employment Relations Act 1999 sch.2
Employment Relations Act 2004 s.31
latest news
NOTES
# TULRCA 1992 s.146 is entitled "Detriment on grounds related to union membership or activities" (until 1st October 2004 entitled "Action short of dismissal on grounds related to union membership or activities")
# Employment Relations Act 1999 sch.2 is entitled "Union membership: detriment"
# Employment Relations Act 2004 Part 3 (ss.29 - 43) is entitled "Rights of Trade Union Members, Workers and Employees".
go to updated reference in this note.
BASIC POSITION
As well as the right not to be dismissed on grounds relating to union membership or activities (TULRCA 1992, ss.152 and 153 and see Trade union matters/unfair dismissal ) a worker has a separate right "not to be subjected to any detriment as an individual by any act, or any deliberate failure to act, by his employer if the act or failure takes place" in certain union related situations - ie a right not to be victimised or discriminated against (TULRCA 1992 s.146 as amended by Employment Relations Act 1999 sch.2 and by Employment Relations Act 2004 ss.30 and 31).
Does this have any relevance?
Employment Relations Act 1999 sch.2
Employment Relations Act 2004 s.31
latest news
NOTES
# TULRCA 1992 s.146 is entitled "Detriment on grounds related to union membership or activities" (until 1st October 2004 entitled "Action short of dismissal on grounds related to union membership or activities")
# Employment Relations Act 1999 sch.2 is entitled "Union membership: detriment"
# Employment Relations Act 2004 Part 3 (ss.29 - 43) is entitled "Rights of Trade Union Members, Workers and Employees".
go to updated reference in this note.
BASIC POSITION
As well as the right not to be dismissed on grounds relating to union membership or activities (TULRCA 1992, ss.152 and 153 and see Trade union matters/unfair dismissal ) a worker has a separate right "not to be subjected to any detriment as an individual by any act, or any deliberate failure to act, by his employer if the act or failure takes place" in certain union related situations - ie a right not to be victimised or discriminated against (TULRCA 1992 s.146 as amended by Employment Relations Act 1999 sch.2 and by Employment Relations Act 2004 ss.30 and 31).
Does this have any relevance?
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Aberdeen, Scotland
Posts: 644
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
That's what's really interesting, Litebulbs.
BASSA and Unite seem to continually claim that it's unlawful for BA to remove staff travel from strikers, yet they're holding off coming to an agreement with the company until the company reinstates said benefit.
Forgive me, but if they're so confident of getting the perk back through the courts, why delay the end of the industrial action?
BASSA and Unite seem to continually claim that it's unlawful for BA to remove staff travel from strikers, yet they're holding off coming to an agreement with the company until the company reinstates said benefit.
Forgive me, but if they're so confident of getting the perk back through the courts, why delay the end of the industrial action?
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Metropolis
Posts: 118
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Tiramasu
I was at the forum too, to think we may have been sitting next to each other.
Did you ask a question while there, if that was the case your wr sitting a long way from me.
Did you ask a question while there, if that was the case your wr sitting a long way from me.
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Gatwick
Posts: 1,980
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Eddy
That is what is confusing me too. I think Mr Walsh has played a trump here. He will never reinstate staff travel voluntarily, but by a court order? But as a negotiating point, it is now being seen as a win, just to get staff travel back, regardless of the other issues. It is whether BASSA are wise to this.
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Metropolis
Posts: 118
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
tenko
Tenko, I dont understand why you think you will be on £11,000 and £2.40 per flying hour, the deal for current staff is that you keep your terms and conditions.
I am convinced that you are a good person, as are so many of the cabin crew, but you are having the wool pulled over your eye by bassa, come to work, be proud and remain a part of the good bits of ba, you will not lose out at all. his is the quickest way to end this strike, if enough crew and VCC and wet lease are available to operate 100% service, its over.
Im Backing BA
I am convinced that you are a good person, as are so many of the cabin crew, but you are having the wool pulled over your eye by bassa, come to work, be proud and remain a part of the good bits of ba, you will not lose out at all. his is the quickest way to end this strike, if enough crew and VCC and wet lease are available to operate 100% service, its over.
Im Backing BA