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Want to move across quickest? Be the biggest pain the butt... or simply kiss the most butt.
I’m sure you will happy to discuss this with the people concerned to their face eh
Qantas have no idea what’s happening next month let alone 2025 and beyond. The revision in training vacancies proved that.
Qlink have you by the balls regardless. There’s no reason for them to let you go any sooner whilst an exodus is slowly starting to happen. A small but insignificant carrot can be dangled with a “MAINLINE START DATE” but all that causes is a shift in an already sub par morale, when those with years of service get pushed aside for those who brownnose their way to the earlier start.
The one thing that they can’t control is the move to VA, personally it’s a no brainer for those who have been unsuccessful with QF.
If you’re on the hold and waiting for dates, there’s nothing you can do. It’s not like your waiting for the golden ticket. You’re joining a seniority list at the bottom - potentially after many years working within the group. On a B scale contract earning less than what you’re now with the hopes of getting a command again is slim.
Qlink have you by the balls regardless. There’s no reason for them to let you go any sooner whilst an exodus is slowly starting to happen. A small but insignificant carrot can be dangled with a “MAINLINE START DATE” but all that causes is a shift in an already sub par morale, when those with years of service get pushed aside for those who brownnose their way to the earlier start.
The one thing that they can’t control is the move to VA, personally it’s a no brainer for those who have been unsuccessful with QF.
If you’re on the hold and waiting for dates, there’s nothing you can do. It’s not like your waiting for the golden ticket. You’re joining a seniority list at the bottom - potentially after many years working within the group. On a B scale contract earning less than what you’re now with the hopes of getting a command again is slim.
If your ultimate goal is to work at mainline, join a Qantas subsidiary and you’ll just c*ck-block yourself.
Has been happening for years, and now the shortage is biting, it’s only going to get worse. I know someone on the internal hold who has been waiting overt 5 years now.
Don’t take a subsidiary job at QLink or NJS. Just go to Rex and you’ll walk straight in to mainline.
Has been happening for years, and now the shortage is biting, it’s only going to get worse. I know someone on the internal hold who has been waiting overt 5 years now.
Don’t take a subsidiary job at QLink or NJS. Just go to Rex and you’ll walk straight in to mainline.
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5yrs may be a sign they aren’t very competitive. I don’t believe the subsidiaries are holding anyone for that long. No one is that valuable to them?
Qantas have no idea what’s happening next month let alone 2025 and beyond. The revision in training vacancies proved that.
Qlink have you by the balls regardless. There’s no reason for them to let you go any sooner whilst an exodus is slowly starting to happen. A small but insignificant carrot can be dangled with a “MAINLINE START DATE” but all that causes is a shift in an already sub par morale, when those with years of service get pushed aside for those who brownnose their way to the earlier start.
The one thing that they can’t control is the move to VA, personally it’s a no brainer for those who have been unsuccessful with QF.
If you’re on the hold and waiting for dates, there’s nothing you can do. It’s not like your waiting for the golden ticket. You’re joining a seniority list at the bottom - potentially after many years working within the group. On a B scale contract earning less than what you’re now with the hopes of getting a command again is slim.
Qlink have you by the balls regardless. There’s no reason for them to let you go any sooner whilst an exodus is slowly starting to happen. A small but insignificant carrot can be dangled with a “MAINLINE START DATE” but all that causes is a shift in an already sub par morale, when those with years of service get pushed aside for those who brownnose their way to the earlier start.
The one thing that they can’t control is the move to VA, personally it’s a no brainer for those who have been unsuccessful with QF.
If you’re on the hold and waiting for dates, there’s nothing you can do. It’s not like your waiting for the golden ticket. You’re joining a seniority list at the bottom - potentially after many years working within the group. On a B scale contract earning less than what you’re now with the hopes of getting a command again is slim.
Any FO in any subsidiary will earn the same if not more if they move across to a QF SO position. JQ might be a small pay drop but you'll be working 1/2 to 1/3 as hard.
If you're a skipper in a subsidiary, yeah sure, you will earn less as an SO. What's a Dash8 skipper earn? Can't be a massive decrease (or at all) to move across to 787 SO?
Any FO in any subsidiary will earn the same if not more if they move across to a QF SO position. JQ might be a small pay drop but you'll be working 1/2 to 1/3 as hard.
Any FO in any subsidiary will earn the same if not more if they move across to a QF SO position. JQ might be a small pay drop but you'll be working 1/2 to 1/3 as hard.
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Why would someone on a hold file be given a seniority number ?
If Qlink to mainline is done on "merit" just means those who start latest scored lowest in test/interview
Easy to blame others , talk about "its brown nosing" all some kind of a conspiracy by the company
Than accept personal responsibility for you own performance & own score
The fact that you might be starting Q4 2025 because you got really very average scores & thus ranking
That you will be 100s below other QF link guys on seniority & career earnings will be lower - based on your scored performance in both testing & interview
Don't you think QF would have themselves covered off in this regard , to protect themselves against those who might get on the blower to Solicitor
Keep in mind only about 25% of externals got a test & they then had to get 4/5 to proceed (not 1/5 for internals) & then also had to do a sim
Goodness me what whining Princesses - "there is just no respect" , boo hoo hoo
If you had to compete on open footing with externals the majority would have got smoked
If Qlink to mainline is done on "merit" just means those who start latest scored lowest in test/interview
Easy to blame others , talk about "its brown nosing" all some kind of a conspiracy by the company
Than accept personal responsibility for you own performance & own score
The fact that you might be starting Q4 2025 because you got really very average scores & thus ranking
That you will be 100s below other QF link guys on seniority & career earnings will be lower - based on your scored performance in both testing & interview
Don't you think QF would have themselves covered off in this regard , to protect themselves against those who might get on the blower to Solicitor
Keep in mind only about 25% of externals got a test & they then had to get 4/5 to proceed (not 1/5 for internals) & then also had to do a sim
Goodness me what whining Princesses - "there is just no respect" , boo hoo hoo
If you had to compete on open footing with externals the majority would have got smoked
Why would someone on a hold file be given a seniority number ?
If Qlink to mainline is done on "merit" just means those who start latest scored lowest in test/interview
Easy to blame others , talk about "its brown nosing" all some kind of a conspiracy by the company
Than accept personal responsibility for you own performance & own score
The fact that you might be starting Q4 2025 because you got really very average scores & thus ranking
That you will be 100s below other QF link guys on seniority & career earnings will be lower - based on your scored performance in both testing & interview
Don't you think QF would have themselves covered off in this regard , to protect themselves against those who might get on the blower to Solicitor
Keep in mind only about 25% of externals got a test & they then had to get 4/5 to proceed (not 1/5 for internals) & then also had to do a sim
Goodness me what whining Princesses - "there is just no respect" , boo hoo hoo
If you had to compete on open footing with externals the majority would have got smoked
If Qlink to mainline is done on "merit" just means those who start latest scored lowest in test/interview
Easy to blame others , talk about "its brown nosing" all some kind of a conspiracy by the company
Than accept personal responsibility for you own performance & own score
The fact that you might be starting Q4 2025 because you got really very average scores & thus ranking
That you will be 100s below other QF link guys on seniority & career earnings will be lower - based on your scored performance in both testing & interview
Don't you think QF would have themselves covered off in this regard , to protect themselves against those who might get on the blower to Solicitor
Keep in mind only about 25% of externals got a test & they then had to get 4/5 to proceed (not 1/5 for internals) & then also had to do a sim
Goodness me what whining Princesses - "there is just no respect" , boo hoo hoo
If you had to compete on open footing with externals the majority would have got smoked
what does happen when internals are successful is they get placed on the hold file and need to be released by their subsidiary. This is when guys n girls get bypassed by more junior colleagues or get held back because they are hard to replace. This is where an increasing distrust and disengagement from our pilot cohort is emerging.
edit: by allocating a seniority number early a persons career would not suffer if they were held back
your argument above is not correct.
dashtrash.
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You would be the one that is 100% incorrect
In 2022 there was a different standard applied for internals - which was effectively "no standard" with regard aptitude
if you got 1/5 still got interview , same standard of 4/5 applied in the 2016 & 2018 intakes equally to externals & internals
2018 ; All internals got test only 25% of internals did - same for 2022 - 75% of externals didn't even get to compete
So a ton of internal 1/5 scorers attended mainline interviews & got on various hold files to move to mainline
They didn't even get the required score to get a job with their own subsidiary which is 3/5
So if I was an internal and got the mighty 1/5 & turned up at QF mainline & said "Wheres me job ?" & managed to get on the Hold file
I would be pretty happy . Have to look in the mirror & understand that you wouldn't have had a snowflakes chance in hell competing on the "open market"
Clearly their are two different standards for mainline entry , externals much higher performance required & more elements
Don't you know anyone on the mainline interview panel , they were getting sick of subsidiary pilots turning up with 1/5 & lousy attitudes & average employee
performance at subsid - still had to hire them
In 2022 there was a different standard applied for internals - which was effectively "no standard" with regard aptitude
if you got 1/5 still got interview , same standard of 4/5 applied in the 2016 & 2018 intakes equally to externals & internals
2018 ; All internals got test only 25% of internals did - same for 2022 - 75% of externals didn't even get to compete
So a ton of internal 1/5 scorers attended mainline interviews & got on various hold files to move to mainline
They didn't even get the required score to get a job with their own subsidiary which is 3/5
So if I was an internal and got the mighty 1/5 & turned up at QF mainline & said "Wheres me job ?" & managed to get on the Hold file
I would be pretty happy . Have to look in the mirror & understand that you wouldn't have had a snowflakes chance in hell competing on the "open market"
Clearly their are two different standards for mainline entry , externals much higher performance required & more elements
Don't you know anyone on the mainline interview panel , they were getting sick of subsidiary pilots turning up with 1/5 & lousy attitudes & average employee
performance at subsid - still had to hire them
You would be the one that is 100% incorrect
In 2022 there was a different standard applied for internals - which was effectively "no standard" with regard aptitude
if you got 1/5 still got interview , same standard of 4/5 applied in the 2016 & 2018 intakes equally to externals & internals
2018 ; All internals got test only 25% of internals did - same for 2022 - 75% of externals didn't even get to compete
So a ton of internal 1/5 scorers attended mainline interviews & got on various hold files to move to mainline
They didn't even get the required score to get a job with their own subsidiary which is 3/5
So if I was an internal and got the mighty 1/5 & turned up at QF mainline & said "Wheres me job ?" & managed to get on the Hold file
I would be pretty happy . Have to look in the mirror & understand that you wouldn't have had a snowflakes chance in hell competing on the "open market"
Clearly their are two different standards for mainline entry , externals much higher performance required & more elements
Don't you know anyone on the mainline interview panel , they were getting sick of subsidiary pilots turning up with 1/5 & lousy attitudes & average employee
performance at subsid - still had to hire them
In 2022 there was a different standard applied for internals - which was effectively "no standard" with regard aptitude
if you got 1/5 still got interview , same standard of 4/5 applied in the 2016 & 2018 intakes equally to externals & internals
2018 ; All internals got test only 25% of internals did - same for 2022 - 75% of externals didn't even get to compete
So a ton of internal 1/5 scorers attended mainline interviews & got on various hold files to move to mainline
They didn't even get the required score to get a job with their own subsidiary which is 3/5
So if I was an internal and got the mighty 1/5 & turned up at QF mainline & said "Wheres me job ?" & managed to get on the Hold file
I would be pretty happy . Have to look in the mirror & understand that you wouldn't have had a snowflakes chance in hell competing on the "open market"
Clearly their are two different standards for mainline entry , externals much higher performance required & more elements
Don't you know anyone on the mainline interview panel , they were getting sick of subsidiary pilots turning up with 1/5 & lousy attitudes & average employee
performance at subsid - still had to hire them
I can guarantee all applicants are held to the same standard regardless of external or internal candidates and no one gives a toss after day one of induction where you came from.
When accessing a candidate however, Internal candidates can provide a lot more information due to HR already having access to their initial testing. Work record and sim profile. And there’s no reason someone who passed their interview the first time can’t pass again. Especially considering in most instances it is the same interview and as what is being done now.
to answer the other dudes question, we may have ranked internals in the past but definitely have not ranked in the last 7 years. Any ********ery you have experienced is mainly due to your own subsidiary.
Dashtrash.
Is this a recruitment thread or a lesson in fractions….. you’re making no sense….
I know for sure that internals get held back and released when the subsidiary can afford to let them go, which is essentially never these days.
I know for sure that internals get held back and released when the subsidiary can afford to let them go, which is essentially never these days.
I don't care if the internals get negative scores & externals have to get 6/5
QF can do what they like & never hire an external again, wouldn't seem particularly fair to ADF Pilots
Just pointing out how it works
Internals: 100 % get test, required score 1/5 & proceed to interview
Externals: 25% get test , required score 4/5 & proceed to interview
How is the initial interview that an internal did to join the internal remotely relevant ?
"No reason can't pass interview again"
Agreed but that isn't really the challenge, the challenge is getting to the interview
& another barrier for externals has been set up now that QF mainline will have an annual intake for internals only
Some subsids release by seniority & others rank by "merit" - that would be your scores . So if you got Q4 , 2025 that would
likely at (merit based subsid) , just means your scores are pretty low & that is not the companies fault. & it isn't a CIA conspiracy
either simply means from the cohort at your subsid - you scored poorly
It doesn't bother of phase me in any way
Why oh why does the "narrative" persist with all of this Silly Billy stuff ? Conspiracy , go work for Virgin/Rex will make it easier , brown nosing deals
Yes I should go off join Virgin so when QF open to externals (which is when ??) , as opposed to internal only process in January 2024 .Then I can submit my application
& I will have a 25% chance of getting a test & maybe a 50% chance of getting through. Lets do that in a couple of years , that is such a better idea than staying at my subsid doing test (that is an "entitlement") in Jan 2024 scoring zero and then proceeding (another entitlement) to interview & likely at least 85% chance of success
You are miles ahead of me Sherlock
QF can do what they like & never hire an external again, wouldn't seem particularly fair to ADF Pilots
Just pointing out how it works
Internals: 100 % get test, required score 1/5 & proceed to interview
Externals: 25% get test , required score 4/5 & proceed to interview
How is the initial interview that an internal did to join the internal remotely relevant ?
"No reason can't pass interview again"
Agreed but that isn't really the challenge, the challenge is getting to the interview
& another barrier for externals has been set up now that QF mainline will have an annual intake for internals only
Some subsids release by seniority & others rank by "merit" - that would be your scores . So if you got Q4 , 2025 that would
likely at (merit based subsid) , just means your scores are pretty low & that is not the companies fault. & it isn't a CIA conspiracy
either simply means from the cohort at your subsid - you scored poorly
It doesn't bother of phase me in any way
Why oh why does the "narrative" persist with all of this Silly Billy stuff ? Conspiracy , go work for Virgin/Rex will make it easier , brown nosing deals
Yes I should go off join Virgin so when QF open to externals (which is when ??) , as opposed to internal only process in January 2024 .Then I can submit my application
& I will have a 25% chance of getting a test & maybe a 50% chance of getting through. Lets do that in a couple of years , that is such a better idea than staying at my subsid doing test (that is an "entitlement") in Jan 2024 scoring zero and then proceeding (another entitlement) to interview & likely at least 85% chance of success
You are miles ahead of me Sherlock
Last edited by Makiko; 8th May 2023 at 10:57.
As I’ve stated in a different thread, assigning a seniority number prior to starting would require a change to the LH EBA in my understanding. It’s not a simple fix.
But why would internals get a seniority number when externals do not
Is not having "exclusive" application processes for internals only, no sim, entitlement
to final interview , guaranteed selection into process, entitlement to interview with 1/5 test score
enough of an advantage ?
It doesn't take a lot of working out to figure if you want mainline join a subsidiary & that's why at least 50% of SO have come from subsids
& the deck of cards got moved their way even closer with test score not considered for interview & now exclusive "internal only" annual hiring process to mainline
Humbly apologise for suggesting against "the narrative" , Yr humble Serf
Is not having "exclusive" application processes for internals only, no sim, entitlement
to final interview , guaranteed selection into process, entitlement to interview with 1/5 test score
enough of an advantage ?
It doesn't take a lot of working out to figure if you want mainline join a subsidiary & that's why at least 50% of SO have come from subsids
& the deck of cards got moved their way even closer with test score not considered for interview & now exclusive "internal only" annual hiring process to mainline
Humbly apologise for suggesting against "the narrative" , Yr humble Serf
Last edited by Makiko; 8th May 2023 at 12:16.