Qantas Recruitment
QF only give out 500 tests to externals typically 2000 applicants
Then maybe a max of 200 jobs from that
Whereas internals 200 applicants 200 proceed to interview (assuming no sim failures) & at least 150 jobs , more like 180 if Qlink
Not to mention internals get multiple attempts as internals have this "entitlement" & now annual intakes for internals (exclusively)
Airline can hire who they want but no point pretending they are hiring best candidates , as how can someone who has done a few years
RHS of dash, compare to someone who has full career in ADF & multiple training postings , or done other major Airline TRE/TRI
NZ exactly the same as they have stated 90% to come from the NZ links, how an earth can they state " if you leave a NZ link we won't look at you for mainline for 8 years"
Think what is incredible is the endless whining & moaning of QF internals with regard the pathway to mainline, that is pretty much a "gold seal red carpet pathway for them to mainline"
& the rudeness you hear that that they now exhibit to externals doing sim assessment & once online as SOs "youse took our jobs before we got here" & sulky sulky around the network , not talking to externals
What a fruity approach , to say the least
Then maybe a max of 200 jobs from that
Whereas internals 200 applicants 200 proceed to interview (assuming no sim failures) & at least 150 jobs , more like 180 if Qlink
Not to mention internals get multiple attempts as internals have this "entitlement" & now annual intakes for internals (exclusively)
Airline can hire who they want but no point pretending they are hiring best candidates , as how can someone who has done a few years
RHS of dash, compare to someone who has full career in ADF & multiple training postings , or done other major Airline TRE/TRI
NZ exactly the same as they have stated 90% to come from the NZ links, how an earth can they state " if you leave a NZ link we won't look at you for mainline for 8 years"
Think what is incredible is the endless whining & moaning of QF internals with regard the pathway to mainline, that is pretty much a "gold seal red carpet pathway for them to mainline"
& the rudeness you hear that that they now exhibit to externals doing sim assessment & once online as SOs "youse took our jobs before we got here" & sulky sulky around the network , not talking to externals
What a fruity approach , to say the least
easy. Blokes should identify as a chick whilst going through recruitment. Once successful, have an epiphany and realise you are now male.
on a serious note, knowing quite a few of the (very good) female pilots who deservedly got in to qf years ago based on merit, they are appalled at the latest trend in recruiting. One of them told me she and some she knows feel like their hard work has been devalued and they will now have the ‘she only got in because she’s female’ hanging over her for the rest of her career. She was asked by management to be part of some female pilots group, she told them to get stuffed, she wouldn’t be involved in some virtue signalling crap. What a crock this place has become. Equally as frustrating for the new recruits, who may well have been recruited on merit!!
on a serious note, knowing quite a few of the (very good) female pilots who deservedly got in to qf years ago based on merit, they are appalled at the latest trend in recruiting. One of them told me she and some she knows feel like their hard work has been devalued and they will now have the ‘she only got in because she’s female’ hanging over her for the rest of her career. She was asked by management to be part of some female pilots group, she told them to get stuffed, she wouldn’t be involved in some virtue signalling crap. What a crock this place has become. Equally as frustrating for the new recruits, who may well have been recruited on merit!!
Bolshevik revolution is in full motion! Enjoy the future! Don't worry the "useful idiots" are usually purged first.
Not correct A320
Oh how one must never threaten "the narrative", big bad Qantas, mistreating the internals so dreadfully , "never to be released"
This is a thread about QF recruitment
Nothing more accurate than what I have posted
If your time is up in RAAF & you have been instructor at advanced & then on a C17 or Tanker or something , you are best off flying the might Dash 300 for a few years at Qlink.
As after that you are pretty much guaranteed transition to QF mainline (if that is what you want)
Would have thought the message delivered by the Company is pretty obvious - if you want QF mainline join a subsidiary
Because we now take at least half our pilots from subsids, will give you multiple attempts , will have exclusive application periods for internals only, you can screw up the test & we will still hire you.
Sounds like a pretty good deal to me as if most internals had to compete on open market - they wouldn't have got hired
But reasonably portion run around carping & moaning & making rude inappropriate comments to externals
As I said earlier a somewhat fruity approach
Oh how one must never threaten "the narrative", big bad Qantas, mistreating the internals so dreadfully , "never to be released"
This is a thread about QF recruitment
Nothing more accurate than what I have posted
If your time is up in RAAF & you have been instructor at advanced & then on a C17 or Tanker or something , you are best off flying the might Dash 300 for a few years at Qlink.
As after that you are pretty much guaranteed transition to QF mainline (if that is what you want)
Would have thought the message delivered by the Company is pretty obvious - if you want QF mainline join a subsidiary
Because we now take at least half our pilots from subsids, will give you multiple attempts , will have exclusive application periods for internals only, you can screw up the test & we will still hire you.
Sounds like a pretty good deal to me as if most internals had to compete on open market - they wouldn't have got hired
But reasonably portion run around carping & moaning & making rude inappropriate comments to externals
As I said earlier a somewhat fruity approach
Last edited by Makiko; 12th May 2023 at 02:49.
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How is going direct from UNSW , or Swinny or QPA or Qlink traineeship , sitting RHS for 3 to 5 years
Remotely comparable to someone who has done full ADF Pilot tour or 10K Airbus/Boeing doing all the training examining stuff
If people want mainline , they should at least know the easiest pathway
Remotely comparable to someone who has done full ADF Pilot tour or 10K Airbus/Boeing doing all the training examining stuff
If people want mainline , they should at least know the easiest pathway
The amount of commercial pilots in Australia who are female is……..around 10%. So females are being recruited to mainline in roughly the same percentage they are in the industry at the moment. Of course the number of female pilots has increased in recent years, so you may be misinterpreting that as a preference for females, in reality it’s just hiring reflecting the current industry.
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Being ex military doesn’t automatically make you the “best” pilot?
I think those who’ve flown alongside pilots of multiple backgrounds will agree to that.
A recruitment process is more than just looking at a resume, seeing a candidate was a former F-18 FCI and then automatically giving them a job. Potentially they tripped up on other areas in the recruitment process. Behaviour, personality, questions about CRM, teamwork, decision making etc?
And yes you can find that a 600hr civilian pilot in singles or (more likely) a Dash-8 F/O in multi crew airline flying can produce a better performance in the testing process than the ex mil guy. That’s just how it works, an airline will more likely recruit those who have experience in airline flying.
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Not how the US majors & most other credible WB operators do it (whether in Asia/ME)
"The dash guy has some magic X factor for LH WB flying - let's grab him"
But if all "internals" had to have their applications included with "externals" , and there are say 650 selected for tests from 2500 applicants
The vast majority of Qlink guys & a lot of other internals wouldn't even get a test & if they did , they would have to get 4/5 not 1/5
In probability terms an "internal" has 10 times the chance of joining Mainline
To pretend it is all an objective even assessment of background/talent/abilities across both internals & externals is complete nonsense
"The dash guy has some magic X factor for LH WB flying - let's grab him"
But if all "internals" had to have their applications included with "externals" , and there are say 650 selected for tests from 2500 applicants
The vast majority of Qlink guys & a lot of other internals wouldn't even get a test & if they did , they would have to get 4/5 not 1/5
In probability terms an "internal" has 10 times the chance of joining Mainline
To pretend it is all an objective even assessment of background/talent/abilities across both internals & externals is complete nonsense
Not how the US majors & most other credible WB operators do it (whether in Asia/ME)
"The dash guy has some magic X factor for LH WB flying - let's grab him"
But if all "internals" had to have their applications included with "externals" , and there are say 650 selected for tests from 2500 applicants
The vast majority of Qlink guys & a lot of other internals wouldn't even get a test & if they did , they would have to get 4/5 not 1/5
In probability terms an "internal" has 10 times the chance of joining Mainline
To pretend it is all an objective even assessment of background/talent/abilities across both internals & externals is complete nonsense
"The dash guy has some magic X factor for LH WB flying - let's grab him"
But if all "internals" had to have their applications included with "externals" , and there are say 650 selected for tests from 2500 applicants
The vast majority of Qlink guys & a lot of other internals wouldn't even get a test & if they did , they would have to get 4/5 not 1/5
In probability terms an "internal" has 10 times the chance of joining Mainline
To pretend it is all an objective even assessment of background/talent/abilities across both internals & externals is complete nonsense
You have no credible evidence to suggest any of your claims about people internally not being suitable for the role and are just spitting out random numbers which are factually incorrect.
Also, you clearly have never operated with ex-military/high jet time guys, some of them have the attitudes that the introduction of CRM and HF training decades ago was designed to get rid of.
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I am not heavily for or against anything regarding QF group pilot selection
Simply stating how a system works
You would be incorrect about how things work in USA , only AA have a flow & that is for a small % of intakes , other large 5 don't
Think of it this way if you were hiring engineers for a job , do you think you would get the best by simply hiring out of SA & Tas , disregarding the rest of Aussie
Internal applicants in 2022 represent maybe 10% of total applicants - but will get 50% of the positions , because of the massive advantages that come with being an internal applicant
QF can do this if they want to, but its clear that they are no longer hiring the best available - because most other apps don't get look in or same "perks" if you like
If people want QF mainline , they simply should be aware of what the game is & how to best play it
Simply stating how a system works
You would be incorrect about how things work in USA , only AA have a flow & that is for a small % of intakes , other large 5 don't
Think of it this way if you were hiring engineers for a job , do you think you would get the best by simply hiring out of SA & Tas , disregarding the rest of Aussie
Internal applicants in 2022 represent maybe 10% of total applicants - but will get 50% of the positions , because of the massive advantages that come with being an internal applicant
QF can do this if they want to, but its clear that they are no longer hiring the best available - because most other apps don't get look in or same "perks" if you like
If people want QF mainline , they simply should be aware of what the game is & how to best play it
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There is an ongoing recruitment for A220 TR, experienced pilots from Europe.
Any idea what to expect in the assessment, or how many positions will be offered? We are already 8 candidates from my company and increasing
How much is the salary for a F/O and how many days the annual leave?
Thank you in advance
Any idea what to expect in the assessment, or how many positions will be offered? We are already 8 candidates from my company and increasing
How much is the salary for a F/O and how many days the annual leave?
Thank you in advance
There is an ongoing recruitment for A220 TR, experienced pilots from Europe.
Any idea what to expect in the assessment, or how many positions will be offered? We are already 8 candidates from my company and increasing
How much is the salary for a F/O and how many days the annual leave?
Thank you in advance
Any idea what to expect in the assessment, or how many positions will be offered? We are already 8 candidates from my company and increasing
How much is the salary for a F/O and how many days the annual leave?
Thank you in advance
Direct entry s/o ?
New to the thread here,
noticed to the Qantas recruitment website always has the option for application as direct entry entry second officer. From all the negativity I can see in this thread it makes me think that, the recruitment web page advertisement is just there as a formality. Is it actually possible to be accepted direct entry? or is a potential hire expected to be put through the mill at Qantas link and the likes.
noticed to the Qantas recruitment website always has the option for application as direct entry entry second officer. From all the negativity I can see in this thread it makes me think that, the recruitment web page advertisement is just there as a formality. Is it actually possible to be accepted direct entry? or is a potential hire expected to be put through the mill at Qantas link and the likes.
New to the thread here,
noticed to the Qantas recruitment website always has the option for application as direct entry entry second officer. From all the negativity I can see in this thread it makes me think that, the recruitment web page advertisement is just there as a formality. Is it actually possible to be accepted direct entry? or is a potential hire expected to be put through the mill at Qantas link and the likes.
noticed to the Qantas recruitment website always has the option for application as direct entry entry second officer. From all the negativity I can see in this thread it makes me think that, the recruitment web page advertisement is just there as a formality. Is it actually possible to be accepted direct entry? or is a potential hire expected to be put through the mill at Qantas link and the likes.
The subsidiaries historically have not had much luck in coming across to mainline.
Recently the subsidiaries (internals) are making up the majority of SOs.
Arguments from both internals and direct hires as to who is the better applicant.
From my seat, I’d argue there have been good and bad from both camps.
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Most new hires have historically been direct entry.
The subsidiaries historically have not had much luck in coming across to mainline.
Recently the subsidiaries (internals) are making up the majority of SOs.
Arguments from both internals and direct hires as to who is the better applicant.
From my seat, I’d argue there have been good and bad from both camps.
The subsidiaries historically have not had much luck in coming across to mainline.
Recently the subsidiaries (internals) are making up the majority of SOs.
Arguments from both internals and direct hires as to who is the better applicant.
From my seat, I’d argue there have been good and bad from both camps.
So what exactly does the ideal direct entry candidate need to bring to the table to make the cut? I take it that most probably rock up with a few thousand hours on either the 320 or 737 having been flown from other airlines. Or does one just need the bare minimum requirements + absolutely excel at the assessment phase?
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So what exactly does the ideal direct entry candidate need to bring to the table to make the cut? I take it that most probably rock up with a few thousand hours on either the 320 or 737 having been flown from other airlines. Or does one just need the bare minimum requirements + absolutely excel at the assessment phase?
The minimum requirements are just that, if you meet them and do well at the assessment you’re in no worse shape than someone with plenty of experience.
