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Old 19th Apr 2023, 06:41
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
So basically if youíre a family man/lady/other and want to be home most* nights then youíre better off working for NJS
Ummmmm, not quite. From what Iím told the crew are away a LOT, upwards of 10 overnights per month, some as high as 14. Min days off at home, then youíre away again. Worse than long haul lifestyle on worse than short haul conditions. Not very family friendly.
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Old 19th Apr 2023, 08:15
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BR perhaps you could highlight with particularity what elements of the 350 page LH contract are as you say "shit" (is it the $500 daily cash allowance in London that might be causing such angst, I wonder)
& Same for SH contract - the 53.5 monthly mins sound particularly oppressive . Is it the six months of "holiday" guys often get when they do an upgrade (particularly WB)

Perhaps you could mention any pax carriers that have a better deal ?

This could be enlightening & important information for chaps & chapettes as may wish to apply for employ there ?

Just brush up on your language skills folks & I am sure Fritz & Pierre , will just say "come on down" to Aussie EU passport holders

I would think only Lufthansa, perhaps KLM & Air France - might come anywhere within a bulls roar . & AF well its economically a basket case for decades isn't it , just propped up by French govt

& first two will only work if you join as real young-un straight out of HS or Uni I would think

But I here you tell us about these wonderful opportunities in USA with the megabucks

But to be put fully in the picture , we need to look at all the facts

Let's imagine for a moment the life of a US Pilot , done 30 to 35 years

He had a good run 1990s , the furlough of perhaps 5 to 15 years due 2001 & GFC . & he may well have lost his entire pensions (United certainly did ) when his airline entered chapter 11

This could be a trivia question . In what USA Airlines did the pilots lose all of their pensions this century , as we know United , American , Delta all filed chapter 11 bankruptcy

Then we could perhaps ask another question , in what year did the pilot wages of the big 3 - again become equal to QF mainline

Its my idea so I nominate myself to go first - I say the year of our lord 2014

Remember also WB low seniority in USA (& you can get assigned to it as a direct hire) , must be ready to enjoy perhaps up to several years of permanent reserve

This would perhaps be a little too much for the sweet boys of Aust & NZ you might think

All that glitters it not gold

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Old 19th Apr 2023, 08:45
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay
Ummmmm, not quite. From what Iím told the crew are away a LOT, upwards of 10 overnights per month, some as high as 14. Min days off at home, then youíre away again. Worse than long haul lifestyle on worse than short haul conditions. Not very family friendly.
Iíve since been informed this is very Base dependent with NJS. Melbourne getting a lot of overnights and significantly more hours than Brisbane/Canberra. Overnights with QF SH appear to be averaged out across the Bases and they have a better roster bidding system.

NJS are always going to be on worse conditions than QF SH as they are operating a smaller aircraft (although itís good to see them striving for better!).

If one was to go with QF SH is my roster fixed a week or so out? Ie: can I pick the kids up from school if Iím rostered a 9am sign on/2pm sign off (ignoring potential delays ect) or can things just be changed whenever?

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Old 19th Apr 2023, 10:53
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
Iíve since been informed this is very Base dependent with NJS. Melbourne getting a lot of overnights and significantly more hours than Brisbane/Canberra. Overnights with QF SH appear to be averaged out across the Bases and they have a better roster bidding system.

NJS are always going to be on worse conditions than QF SH as they are operating a smaller aircraft (although itís good to seem them striving for better!).

If one was to go with QF SH is my roster fixed a week or so out? Ie: can I pick the kids up from school if Iím rostered a 9am sign on/2pm sign off (ignoring potential delays ect) or can things just be changed whenever?

I am hopeful that Qf is not stupid enough to employ you.
You would be a PIA. From day 1.
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Old 19th Apr 2023, 11:03
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Originally Posted by JamieMaree
I am hopeful that Qf is not stupid enough to employ you.
You would be a PIA. From day 1.
Is it a ridiculous concept to a Qantas Pilot to want to organise their family life? Or do you folks just bend over to the companyís needs?

This is a QF Recruitment thread so itís a reasonable discussion to determine the type of job that QF offers especially considering the opportunities on offer from others around (many of whom are offering a better overall deal)
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Old 19th Apr 2023, 11:34
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Originally Posted by JamieMaree
.You would be a PIA. From day 1.
I imagine youíre right. Corporate Australia has been engaging in industrial action for a few decades, time for a reversal.

Do you have a reasonable argument against fair pay and conditions????
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Old 19th Apr 2023, 11:38
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Originally Posted by soseg
The SH FO average wage for FY2019 was 199k. I’ll bet that’s gone up this FY with the pay rises since then.
Hourly rate has gone up 12% since then, and that's without bonus or allowances. Can add 9% for the bonus at least this year and 15-20k allowances. Plus that's the average, so if you want even more then feel free to work more.
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Old 19th Apr 2023, 11:43
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy

If one was to go with QF SH is my roster fixed a week or so out? Ie: can I pick the kids up from school if Iím rostered a 9am sign on/2pm sign off (ignoring potential delays ect) or can things just be changed whenever?
It's pretty much fixed from roster release. On day of ops they may get you to extend and operate more sectors, but that's rare. Low minimum guarantee means you can drop work easily and get more time off, or pickup trips for more $$ if you desire.
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Old 19th Apr 2023, 21:54
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Yeah extra sectors does happen but not often ime. The catch for school kids etc is more likely operational delays getting home reliably on time. A solid backup is needed, time to spare - go by air...
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Old 21st Apr 2023, 07:31
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Originally Posted by Bumble_Pilot
Are we saying, There is a genuine chance that mainline could be shut down and all flying moved to other groups? Well SH at least?
based on the revised training vacancies, I donít think SH is going anywhereÖ..
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Old 21st Apr 2023, 09:50
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Originally Posted by cloudsurfng
based on the revised training vacancies, I donít think SH is going anywhereÖ..
Looks like someone stuffed the figures on version 1.

737 FO year 1 - 250k seem reasonable (base, allowance, bonus) ??
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Old 21st Apr 2023, 11:00
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Roughly how long would it be for a newbie to have seniority for a BNE narrow body F/O slot?
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Old 21st Apr 2023, 12:10
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What were the proposed training vacancies?
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Old 21st Apr 2023, 16:34
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Originally Posted by Engine Nacelle
Roughly how long would it be for a newbie to have seniority for a BNE narrow body F/O slot?
It wonít be long at all, it was less than 2 years pre-Covid. As the next rounds of recruitment occur it should be the same or less. Other bases will be shorter.
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Old 21st Apr 2023, 22:47
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Originally Posted by MaxAuto
What were the proposed training vacancies?
A380 CPT x12
B787 CPT x8
A330 CPT x20
B737 CPT x42

A380 FO x18
B787 FO x5
A330 FO x15
B737 FO x35
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Old 21st Apr 2023, 23:25
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Thanks very much, that should create some movement.

Has there been any word on new hire courses having been filled beyond June?
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Old 22nd Apr 2023, 00:15
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Originally Posted by Gazza mate
Do these revised training vacancies have anything to do with the failed takeover of alliance? Two days after this news broke the number of mainline command vacancies jumps up by 64%. Coincidence Iím sure.
Nah it is a coincidence. Anyone who knows how the internal machinations of how this major corporation works knows that slots in one part of the group donít appear that fast after an ACCC announcement.

The numbers that have been spoken about for quite some time about the next training year would indicate that the published vacancies are not even half of the total numbers that will be trained over the next year, thereíll be even more residual vacancies.

No those numbers are just to maintain the current level of flying plus whatever aircraft are coming back over the next year.
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Old 22nd Apr 2023, 01:20
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Originally Posted by dr dre
Nah it is a coincidence. Anyone who knows how the internal machinations of how this major corporation works knows that slots in one part of the group donít appear that fast after an ACCC announcement.

The numbers that have been spoken about for quite some time about the next training year would indicate that the published vacancies are not even half of the total numbers that will be trained over the next year, thereíll be even more residual vacancies.

No those numbers are just to maintain the current level of flying plus whatever aircraft are coming back over the next year.
Then why werenít they published in version 1 🤔
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Old 22nd Apr 2023, 04:25
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Given the choice of why something happens at QF - F@#k Up vs conspiracy - Iíd pick the first every time!
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Old 22nd Apr 2023, 04:29
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Then why werenít they published in version 1 🤔
Makes for a good conspiracy doesn't it.......

Either way it can only be good news for mainline. Should be plenty of opportunities for those joining in the near future.
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