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To be sure you get the correct numbers.
There are 6.5 BP per year. So all except the 787, that's 1040 hours.
And you must do 4 sims and 1 eps per year. Add security every 2 years. All up you will get a minimum of 1067.5 at min guarantee, and every second year you get an extra 5.5. If you aren't based where the Sim is, you also get the paxing credit days on top, but that's base dependant.
Of course you get allwances on top of all that.
There are 6.5 BP per year. So all except the 787, that's 1040 hours.
And you must do 4 sims and 1 eps per year. Add security every 2 years. All up you will get a minimum of 1067.5 at min guarantee, and every second year you get an extra 5.5. If you aren't based where the Sim is, you also get the paxing credit days on top, but that's base dependant.
Of course you get allwances on top of all that.
Last edited by SandyPalms; 14th May 2023 at 11:23.
Hey there Captainhan, sad truth old boy, when it comes to HR at QF and who they do or do not hire I can assure you that your experience counts for SFA, 10,000 hours in command of a wide body on international operations to them is the same as 500 hours in a C206 out Broome. Go figure.
The vast majority of new recruits have jet or heavy turboprop time. It’s probably the most experienced pilot pool mainline has ever recruited.
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To be sure you get the correct numbers.
There are 6.5 BP per year. So all except the 787, that's 1040 hours.
And you must do 4 sims and 1 eps per year. Add security every 2 years. All up you will get a minimum of 1067.5 at min guarantee, and every second year you get an extra 5.5. If you aren't based where the Sim is, you also get the paxing credit days on top, but that's base dependant.
Of course you get allwances on top of all that.
There are 6.5 BP per year. So all except the 787, that's 1040 hours.
And you must do 4 sims and 1 eps per year. Add security every 2 years. All up you will get a minimum of 1067.5 at min guarantee, and every second year you get an extra 5.5. If you aren't based where the Sim is, you also get the paxing credit days on top, but that's base dependant.
Of course you get allwances on top of all that.
Remember you spend allowances when you’re away from home and anything you don’t spend are supposed to be added to your taxable income. Allowances are not a guarantee and are not a ‘Bonus’ to your base income.
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Why are people so guarded & blatantly misleading to tell people the facts about getting employ & then what the pay is
Suggesting pay for Perth is $80K when they would all be easily grossing $160K , before allowances
Allowances for LH average $400 AUD per day, these are non-taxable , you will spend 160 nights OS or duty travel etc
So the total of allowances will be $65/75K per annum , which is non-taxable & clearly you would probably get a dollar or two left over
The "juice" in the LH contract is the "soft pay" , dead heading , nights in Perth before after ULR etc
Few years you would likely be grossing $200K as SO on 787 allowances on top of that
Airbus SOs (A Scale ) miles in front of that , top of scale SOs would all be north of $300K these days
& that is why nobody wants to fly the 737
Why oh why is AIPA fighting QF on SOs hired direct to A380 , the clause says "& AIPA will not reasonably refuse request if due operational reasons"
Coming out of a pandemic , blocked training pipelines - they have all the reason they need
Why not focus on something they might actually win, such as QF introducing B Scale SOs years before A350 turns up
Why are people so guarded & blatantly misleading to tell people the facts about getting employ & then what the pay is
Suggesting pay for Perth is $80K when they would all be easily grossing $160K , before allowances
Allowances for LH average $400 AUD per day, these are non-taxable , you will spend 160 nights OS or duty travel etc
So the total of allowances will be $65/75K per annum , which is non-taxable & clearly you would probably get a dollar or two left over
The "juice" in the LH contract is the "soft pay" , dead heading , nights in Perth before after ULR etc
Few years you would likely be grossing $200K as SO on 787 allowances on top of that
Airbus SOs (A Scale ) miles in front of that , top of scale SOs would all be north of $300K these days
& that is why nobody wants to fly the 737
Why oh why is AIPA fighting QF on SOs hired direct to A380 , the clause says "& AIPA will not reasonably refuse request if due operational reasons"
Coming out of a pandemic , blocked training pipelines - they have all the reason they need
Why not focus on something they might actually win, such as QF introducing B Scale SOs years before A350 turns up
Last edited by Makiko; 15th May 2023 at 06:35.
So the total of allowances will be $65/75K per annum , which is non-taxable & clearly you would probably get a dollar or two left over
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You would work out the number of nights away from base and then you multiply that 400
So if you only made $20K in allowances then you only spent 50 nights away on duty
Well played you are the Royale of of SOs , Amen to you
If you were on a standard roster , you need to call the Qantas pay office , as they owe you $40K to $50K
Everyone flat stick at the moment & close to 50% of time on a trip, planes busy seats full , 787s especially so
Plenty of people getting $70K + cashy non-taxable "food" allowance on top of flight pay
Just have a look at the EBA 10 information pack - it is all there & that is 2020 data
Nine Day LHR & guys are getting close (or more ) than $4000 for food allowance - its regarded as pay , nobody I know spends it
Its money for jam, think what a Business traveller would get & basically double it , $500 or so per day in London
So if you only made $20K in allowances then you only spent 50 nights away on duty
Well played you are the Royale of of SOs , Amen to you
If you were on a standard roster , you need to call the Qantas pay office , as they owe you $40K to $50K
Everyone flat stick at the moment & close to 50% of time on a trip, planes busy seats full , 787s especially so
Plenty of people getting $70K + cashy non-taxable "food" allowance on top of flight pay
Just have a look at the EBA 10 information pack - it is all there & that is 2020 data
Nine Day LHR & guys are getting close (or more ) than $4000 for food allowance - its regarded as pay , nobody I know spends it
Its money for jam, think what a Business traveller would get & basically double it , $500 or so per day in London
Last edited by Makiko; 15th May 2023 at 07:12.
EBA info pack 10 was stating expect $36410 annually & used as an example patterns for 380 doing 3 day HK trips
Doesn't do those trips & the data (ato) is quite old now
You should talk to some 787 guys doing a lot of LHR & 4 day North American trips
Doesn't do those trips & the data (ato) is quite old now
You should talk to some 787 guys doing a lot of LHR & 4 day North American trips
What were your allowances last year?
You would work out the number of nights away from base and then you multiply that 400
So if you only made $20K in allowances then you only spent 50 nights away on duty
Well played you are the Royale of of SOs , Amen to you
If you were on a standard roster , you need to call the Qantas pay office , as they owe you $40K to $50K
Everyone flat stick at the moment & close to 50% of time on a trip, planes busy seats full , 787s especially so
Plenty of people getting $70K + cashy non-taxable "food" allowance on top of flight pay
Just have a look at the EBA 10 information pack - it is all there & that is 2020 data
Nine Day LHR & guys are getting close (or more ) than $4000 for food allowance - its regarded as pay , nobody I know spends it
Its money for jam, think what a Business traveller would get & basically double it , $500 or so per day in London
So if you only made $20K in allowances then you only spent 50 nights away on duty
Well played you are the Royale of of SOs , Amen to you
If you were on a standard roster , you need to call the Qantas pay office , as they owe you $40K to $50K
Everyone flat stick at the moment & close to 50% of time on a trip, planes busy seats full , 787s especially so
Plenty of people getting $70K + cashy non-taxable "food" allowance on top of flight pay
Just have a look at the EBA 10 information pack - it is all there & that is 2020 data
Nine Day LHR & guys are getting close (or more ) than $4000 for food allowance - its regarded as pay , nobody I know spends it
Its money for jam, think what a Business traveller would get & basically double it , $500 or so per day in London
LH allowances DON’T average $400 per day at all. Have a look at the reasonable expenses table on the ATO website, that’ll tell you what you get per day. London, Singapore, they’re $400 a day. Japan, the US, I think it’s $355 a day. An India or a Bangkok, $230 or so. Domestically you’re only looking at about $195 a day. Heck if you go to Jo’Burg it’s even less than Australia!
And $300k for an SO?
Mate you’re dreaming.
All the top increment SOs , that is 2009 before grossing $300K atm
& a large number of those hired since 2016
If you knew anything you would know that the $300K mark for SOs was crossed well before EBA 10
You are equally unaccurate about allowances - clearly you don't work for QF
& a large number of those hired since 2016
If you knew anything you would know that the $300K mark for SOs was crossed well before EBA 10
You are equally unaccurate about allowances - clearly you don't work for QF
I’m only posting to alert everyone here to disregard everything Makiko is saying. Absolute inflated horse shit.
160 days a year away?
post 2016 hire SOs on over 300k?
70k in allowances?
This bloke is stupid. Or doesn’t know how to realistically troll.
160 days a year away?
post 2016 hire SOs on over 300k?
70k in allowances?
This bloke is stupid. Or doesn’t know how to realistically troll.
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Makiko is right that the allowances are very generous and you’d almost never spend them all whilst away. They got much more generous in the last EA as you get them even while flying, not just in port.
However, his quoted figures are grossly inflated.
$400 per day is NOT the average, it is the absolute Maximum you get anywhere. Only get that in SIN and Korea as best I can tell, not LHR.
A 9 day LHR does not get 9 X the daily allowance, it is based on hours away. It’s 183 hours which is closer to 7.5 days and nearly half the time you’re on the lower UK rate (band 5).
As mentioned above, if flying to BKK, MNL, SCL, JNB, CGK, DEL, BLR…. Then you’re getting less than $300 per 24 hrs.
The system has only been in place less than a year so no one can tell you exactly what you’ll get but I’d guess 30-35K is a good estimate.
However, his quoted figures are grossly inflated.
$400 per day is NOT the average, it is the absolute Maximum you get anywhere. Only get that in SIN and Korea as best I can tell, not LHR.
A 9 day LHR does not get 9 X the daily allowance, it is based on hours away. It’s 183 hours which is closer to 7.5 days and nearly half the time you’re on the lower UK rate (band 5).
As mentioned above, if flying to BKK, MNL, SCL, JNB, CGK, DEL, BLR…. Then you’re getting less than $300 per 24 hrs.
The system has only been in place less than a year so no one can tell you exactly what you’ll get but I’d guess 30-35K is a good estimate.
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