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Old 14th May 2023, 16:38
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Originally Posted by Don Diego
Hey there Captainhan, sad truth old boy, when it comes to HR at QF and who they do or do not hire I can assure you that your experience counts for SFA, 10,000 hours in command of a wide body on international operations to them is the same as 500 hours in a C206 out Broome. Go figure.
Mainline is an airline youíre going to have to stay with for a few decades to really reap the benefits, so it makes sense for them to bias recruitment towards under 40s, and at that stage in your career youíre not likely to have much wide body command time. Having said that a lot of ex CX and other wide body LHS joining as S/Os.

The vast majority of new recruits have jet or heavy turboprop time. Itís probably the most experienced pilot pool mainline has ever recruited.


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Old 14th May 2023, 20:58
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I stand corrected, and no - I left the 78 for the maggot a while ago - the only thing I remember was MDC....
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Old 15th May 2023, 00:52
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Originally Posted by romeocharlie
I stand corrected, and no - I left the 78 for the maggot a while ago - the only thing I remember was MDC....
Maggot???
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Old 15th May 2023, 02:17
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Maggot = 737
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Old 15th May 2023, 04:21
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Originally Posted by SandyPalms
To be sure you get the correct numbers.

There are 6.5 BP per year. So all except the 787, that's 1040 hours.

And you must do 4 sims and 1 eps per year. Add security every 2 years. All up you will get a minimum of 1067.5 at min guarantee, and every second year you get an extra 5.5. If you aren't based where the Sim is, you also get the paxing credit days on top, but that's base dependant.

Of course you get allwances on top of all that.
What would an average amount of allowances look like per year for the Airbus vs 787?
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Old 15th May 2023, 04:40
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What would an average amount of allowances look like per year for the Airbus vs 787?
Remember you spend allowances when youíre away from home and anything you donít spend are supposed to be added to your taxable income. Allowances are not a guarantee and are not a ĎBonusí to your base income.
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Old 15th May 2023, 05:22
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More Bubsy Babytalk

Why are people so guarded & blatantly misleading to tell people the facts about getting employ & then what the pay is

Suggesting pay for Perth is $80K when they would all be easily grossing $160K , before allowances

Allowances for LH average $400 AUD per day, these are non-taxable , you will spend 160 nights OS or duty travel etc

So the total of allowances will be $65/75K per annum , which is non-taxable & clearly you would probably get a dollar or two left over

The "juice" in the LH contract is the "soft pay" , dead heading , nights in Perth before after ULR etc

Few years you would likely be grossing $200K as SO on 787 allowances on top of that

Airbus SOs (A Scale ) miles in front of that , top of scale SOs would all be north of $300K these days

& that is why nobody wants to fly the 737

Why oh why is AIPA fighting QF on SOs hired direct to A380 , the clause says "& AIPA will not reasonably refuse request if due operational reasons"

Coming out of a pandemic , blocked training pipelines - they have all the reason they need

Why not focus on something they might actually win, such as QF introducing B Scale SOs years before A350 turns up

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Old 15th May 2023, 06:15
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So the total of allowances will be $65/75K per annum , which is non-taxable & clearly you would probably get a dollar or two left over
Where are you getting these figures from? I did less than 20k in allowances last year and that was a pretty busy year.
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Old 15th May 2023, 06:18
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A realistic number for a first year 787 SO is 130k + 30k allowances. There really isn't much opportunity to work harder than that at the moment.
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Old 15th May 2023, 06:43
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You would work out the number of nights away from base and then you multiply that 400

So if you only made $20K in allowances then you only spent 50 nights away on duty

Well played you are the Royale of of SOs , Amen to you

If you were on a standard roster , you need to call the Qantas pay office , as they owe you $40K to $50K

Everyone flat stick at the moment & close to 50% of time on a trip, planes busy seats full , 787s especially so

Plenty of people getting $70K + cashy non-taxable "food" allowance on top of flight pay

Just have a look at the EBA 10 information pack - it is all there & that is 2020 data

Nine Day LHR & guys are getting close (or more ) than $4000 for food allowance - its regarded as pay , nobody I know spends it

Its money for jam, think what a Business traveller would get & basically double it , $500 or so per day in London

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Old 15th May 2023, 07:17
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Makiko, you're not even close with allowances. $30K, absolute max with picking all the good trips $40K
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Old 15th May 2023, 07:44
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EBA info pack 10 was stating expect $36410 annually & used as an example patterns for 380 doing 3 day HK trips

Doesn't do those trips & the data (ato) is quite old now

You should talk to some 787 guys doing a lot of LHR & 4 day North American trips
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Old 15th May 2023, 07:58
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Originally Posted by Makiko
EBA info pack 10 was stating expect $36410 annually & used as an example patterns for 380 doing 3 day HK trips

Doesn't do those trips & the data (ato) is quite old now

You should talk to some 787 guys doing a lot of LHR & 4 day North American trips

What were your allowances last year?
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Old 15th May 2023, 09:00
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Originally Posted by Makiko
You would work out the number of nights away from base and then you multiply that 400

So if you only made $20K in allowances then you only spent 50 nights away on duty

Well played you are the Royale of of SOs , Amen to you

If you were on a standard roster , you need to call the Qantas pay office , as they owe you $40K to $50K

Everyone flat stick at the moment & close to 50% of time on a trip, planes busy seats full , 787s especially so

Plenty of people getting $70K + cashy non-taxable "food" allowance on top of flight pay

Just have a look at the EBA 10 information pack - it is all there & that is 2020 data

Nine Day LHR & guys are getting close (or more ) than $4000 for food allowance - its regarded as pay , nobody I know spends it

Its money for jam, think what a Business traveller would get & basically double it , $500 or so per day in London
Mate your figures are so far out itís not funny. I WISH I got that much

LH allowances DONíT average $400 per day at all. Have a look at the reasonable expenses table on the ATO website, thatíll tell you what you get per day. London, Singapore, theyíre $400 a day. Japan, the US, I think itís $355 a day. An India or a Bangkok, $230 or so. Domestically youíre only looking at about $195 a day. Heck if you go to JoíBurg itís even less than Australia!

And $300k for an SO? Mate youíre dreaming.
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Old 15th May 2023, 09:27
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All the top increment SOs , that is 2009 before grossing $300K atm

& a large number of those hired since 2016

If you knew anything you would know that the $300K mark for SOs was crossed well before EBA 10

You are equally unaccurate about allowances - clearly you don't work for QF
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Old 15th May 2023, 09:35
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Iím only posting to alert everyone here to disregard everything Makiko is saying. Absolute inflated horse ****.

160 days a year away?
post 2016 hire SOs on over 300k?
70k in allowances?

This bloke is stupid. Or doesnít know how to realistically troll.
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Old 15th May 2023, 09:36
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Makiko is right that the allowances are very generous and youíd almost never spend them all whilst away. They got much more generous in the last EA as you get them even while flying, not just in port.
However, his quoted figures are grossly inflated.
$400 per day is NOT the average, it is the absolute Maximum you get anywhere. Only get that in SIN and Korea as best I can tell, not LHR.

A 9 day LHR does not get 9 X the daily allowance, it is based on hours away. Itís 183 hours which is closer to 7.5 days and nearly half the time youíre on the lower UK rate (band 5).

As mentioned above, if flying to BKK, MNL, SCL, JNB, CGK, DEL, BLRÖ. Then youíre getting less than $300 per 24 hrs.

The system has only been in place less than a year so no one can tell you exactly what youíll get but Iíd guess 30-35K is a good estimate.
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Old 15th May 2023, 10:39
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You can believe what you want soseg

Ton of Airbus SOs (not 787) grossing $300K plus

That would be old news

Lot of people racking up 160 days OS yearly

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Old 15th May 2023, 10:45
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Qantas Pilots trying to inflate their poor base salary using allowancesÖ nothing new.

The Bin Chickens of international aviation.
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Old 15th May 2023, 10:48
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Where do I sign, because clearly youíre talking about a different company!

$300k is virtually impossible as an SO. Get your hand off it and go away or stump up how you get those figures, and then watch it get pulled apart very quickly.

Just like your allowances, you donít even know what youíre talking about.

Iím done wasting time on your trolling.
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