Qantas Recruitment
So what exactly does the ideal direct entry candidate need to bring to the table to make the cut? I take it that most probably rock up with a few thousand hours on either the 320 or 737 having been flown from other airlines. Or does one just need the bare minimum requirements + absolutely excel at the assessment phase?
Most turn up with a good attitude and are keen to learn, while others turn up thinking they’ve done it all and have learned everything before joining.
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Lots of the new hires have plenty of turboprop time or time on smaller jets. Some have been Capt previously. Others are out of GA with no multi crew experience.
Most turn up with a good attitude and are keen to learn, while others turn up thinking they’ve done it all and have learned everything before joining.
Most turn up with a good attitude and are keen to learn, while others turn up thinking they’ve done it all and have learned everything before joining.
You can turn this around in just one day. Just identify as an alphabet person and you can be one of the many fruitcakes featured in a Sunrise flight or one of there many propaganda stunts.
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Wasted 10 years? Not at all - I’m assuming you have enjoyed your time and life wherever you are. If now you want something new, go ahead and apply - your experience is valuable. Just don’t make the mistake that experience is ALL you need to succeed.
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$80,000 a year? Not sure where you get your information from, but that’s very roughly only about $44,000 a year out, and that’s based on min divisor all year!
Well if you’ve developed the personality of an assh*le over 10 years then yes you’ve potentially wasted 10 years.
QANTAS AIRWAYS LIMITED PILOTS (LONG HAUL) ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT 2020
Take note that with the promotions expected over the next 4 years you’ll only be remaining on new hire SO pay if you choose to.
Check the seniority list - 1699. It'd probably get them a Perth widebody right seat in a few weeks.
How more people aren't outraged by it baffles me. Especially those being held back at link to help plug the hole in the training pipeline.
How more people aren't outraged by it baffles me. Especially those being held back at link to help plug the hole in the training pipeline.
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Yep - you can spend several days wading through the world’s most complicated EA to confirm that:
QANTAS AIRWAYS LIMITED PILOTS (LONG HAUL) ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT 2020
Take note that with the promotions expected over the next 4 years you’ll only be remaining on new hire SO pay if you choose to.
QANTAS AIRWAYS LIMITED PILOTS (LONG HAUL) ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT 2020
Take note that with the promotions expected over the next 4 years you’ll only be remaining on new hire SO pay if you choose to.
*edited because MGH on the 787 is actually 145, not 140
Last edited by morno; 14th May 2023 at 04:47.
My apologies it’s $97,000 minimum guarantee on 330/350/380 no training as against $121,500 on the 787 first year. I gues there is a C scale then.
Still wrong.
A380/330/350 base excluding training is $110k in a couple of months time.
I still can’t work out what maths you’re using.
But to answer your question, I guess Qantas has always been the dream job, for me and hey I don't mind roughing it out on a second officer salary for 4 years and im not too picky on which fleet I get assigned. So.....
Hey there Captainhan, sad truth old boy, when it comes to HR at QF and who they do or do not hire I can assure you that your experience counts for SFA, 10,000 hours in command of a wide body on international operations to them is the same as 500 hours in a C206 out Broome. Go figure.
wait. How many chief pilots are there? I was thinking of AY
32.7.4 Line hourly rates of pay effective from the first pay period on or after 1 July 2023
A380/330/350 = $106.17
787 = $133.02
So French fleet is about $100k, 78 is about $133k
Maths was never my strong suit, so please feel free to explain your working. FWIW I earned about $120-130 on the 78 as an SO including allowances. Like others have said, the choice is binary at the moment with all the movement. Either you want the LH lifestyle on $100-120k for doing little, or you want to fly the maggot around for circa $200k + and a little extra effort. Also, for those whinging about internals getting preference -I'm sure you would've whinged just as much while you sat on hold for 2 years watching externals get hired ahead of you because subsidiaries couldn't spare to let anyone go. It's a big game of swings and roundabouts, and if you play the victim throughout your career, people will give zero f....'s about your country song.
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MGH is 160 * 6 = 960. MGH for the 787 is 145, but you should know that if you’re on it. And there’s more than 6 bid periods in 365 days. 4 pays per BP X 26 fortnight’s in a year. That’ll get you an accurate per year amount.
32.7.4 Line hourly rates of pay effective from the first pay period on or after 1 July 2023
A380/330/350 = $106.17 X 160 / 4 X 26 = $110k
787 = $133.02 X 145 / 4 X 26 = $125k
So French fleet is about $100k ($110k on MGH), 78 is about $133k ($125k on MGH)
Maths was never my strong suit, so please feel free to explain your working. FWIW I earned about $120-130 on the 78 as an SO including allowances. Like others have said, the choice is binary at the moment with all the movement. Either you want the LH lifestyle on $100-120k for doing little, or you want to fly the maggot around for circa $200k + and a little extra effort. Also, for those whinging about internals getting preference -I'm sure you would've whinged just as much while you sat on hold for 2 years watching externals get hired ahead of you because subsidiaries couldn't spare to let anyone go. It's a big game of swings and roundabouts, and if you play the victim throughout your career, people will give zero f....'s about your country song.
32.7.4 Line hourly rates of pay effective from the first pay period on or after 1 July 2023
A380/330/350 = $106.17 X 160 / 4 X 26 = $110k
787 = $133.02 X 145 / 4 X 26 = $125k
So French fleet is about $100k ($110k on MGH), 78 is about $133k ($125k on MGH)
Maths was never my strong suit, so please feel free to explain your working. FWIW I earned about $120-130 on the 78 as an SO including allowances. Like others have said, the choice is binary at the moment with all the movement. Either you want the LH lifestyle on $100-120k for doing little, or you want to fly the maggot around for circa $200k + and a little extra effort. Also, for those whinging about internals getting preference -I'm sure you would've whinged just as much while you sat on hold for 2 years watching externals get hired ahead of you because subsidiaries couldn't spare to let anyone go. It's a big game of swings and roundabouts, and if you play the victim throughout your career, people will give zero f....'s about your country song.
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To be sure you get the correct numbers.
There are 6.5 BP per year. So all except the 787, that's 1040 hours.
And you must do 4 sims and 1 eps per year. Add security every 2 years. All up you will get a minimum of 1067.5 at min guarantee, and every second year you get an extra 5.5. If you aren't based where the Sim is, you also get the paxing credit days on top, but that's base dependant.
Of course you get allwances on top of all that.
There are 6.5 BP per year. So all except the 787, that's 1040 hours.
And you must do 4 sims and 1 eps per year. Add security every 2 years. All up you will get a minimum of 1067.5 at min guarantee, and every second year you get an extra 5.5. If you aren't based where the Sim is, you also get the paxing credit days on top, but that's base dependant.
Of course you get allwances on top of all that.
Last edited by SandyPalms; 14th May 2023 at 11:23.