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Old 13th May 2023, 07:19
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Originally Posted by captainhan
So what exactly does the ideal direct entry candidate need to bring to the table to make the cut? I take it that most probably rock up with a few thousand hours on either the 320 or 737 having been flown from other airlines. Or does one just need the bare minimum requirements + absolutely excel at the assessment phase?
Lots of the new hires have plenty of turboprop time or time on smaller jets. Some have been Capt previously. Others are out of GA with no multi crew experience.

Most turn up with a good attitude and are keen to learn, while others turn up thinking theyíve done it all and have learned everything before joining.
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Old 13th May 2023, 15:40
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
Lots of the new hires have plenty of turboprop time or time on smaller jets. Some have been Capt previously. Others are out of GA with no multi crew experience.

Most turn up with a good attitude and are keen to learn, while others turn up thinking theyíve done it all and have learned everything before joining.
I Have almost 10k hours on the 330 and almost a 1000 hours command on the 320 and was hoping to one day join Qantas. Are you telling me all of this is doesn't make a dent and it just comes down to personality? Man have I wasted 10 years 🤦🏻‍♂️
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Old 13th May 2023, 15:44
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Originally Posted by captainhan
I Have almost 10k hours on the 330 and almost a 1000 hours command on the 320 and was hoping to one day join Qantas. Are you telling me all of this is doesn't make a dent and it just comes down to personality? Man have I wasted 10 years 🤦🏻‍♂️
You can turn this around in just one day. Just identify as an alphabet person and you can be one of the many fruitcakes featured in a Sunrise flight or one of there many propaganda stunts.
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Old 13th May 2023, 23:01
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Originally Posted by captainhan
I Have almost 10k hours on the 330 and almost a 1000 hours command on the 320 and was hoping to one day join Qantas. Are you telling me all of this is doesn't make a dent and it just comes down to personality? Man have I wasted 10 years 🤦🏻‍♂️
Wasted 10 years? Not at all - Iím assuming you have enjoyed your time and life wherever you are. If now you want something new, go ahead and apply - your experience is valuable. Just donít make the mistake that experience is ALL you need to succeed.
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Old 14th May 2023, 00:35
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Originally Posted by captainhan
I Have almost 10k hours on the 330 and almost a 1000 hours command on the 320 and was hoping to one day join Qantas. Are you telling me all of this is doesn't make a dent and it just comes down to personality? Man have I wasted 10 years 🤦🏻‍♂️
Why would you give that up for a SO job on the 787 based in Perth on $80,000 a year?
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Old 14th May 2023, 00:39
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Why would you give that up for a SO job on the 787 based in Perth on $80,000 a year?
Because it's Perth?
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Old 14th May 2023, 00:42
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$80,000 a year? Not sure where you get your information from, but thatís very roughly only about $44,000 a year out, and thatís based on min divisor all year!
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Old 14th May 2023, 01:56
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Originally Posted by captainhan
I Have almost 10k hours on the 330 and almost a 1000 hours command on the 320 and was hoping to one day join Qantas. Are you telling me all of this is doesn't make a dent and it just comes down to personality? Man have I wasted 10 years 🤦🏻‍♂️
Well if youíve developed the personality of an assh*le over 10 years then yes youíve potentially wasted 10 years.
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Old 14th May 2023, 02:02
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Originally Posted by morno
$80,000 a year? Not sure where you get your information from, but thatís very roughly only about $44,000 a year out, and thatís based on min divisor all year!
Yep - you can spend several days wading through the worldís most complicated EA to confirm that:

QANTAS AIRWAYS LIMITED PILOTS (LONG HAUL) ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT 2020

Take note that with the promotions expected over the next 4 years youíll only be remaining on new hire SO pay if you choose to.
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Old 14th May 2023, 03:27
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Originally Posted by SixDemonBag
really? I’d be surprised about that
Check the seniority list - 1699. It'd probably get them a Perth widebody right seat in a few weeks.
How more people aren't outraged by it baffles me. Especially those being held back at link to help plug the hole in the training pipeline.
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Old 14th May 2023, 04:17
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Originally Posted by dr dre
Yep - you can spend several days wading through the worldís most complicated EA to confirm that:

QANTAS AIRWAYS LIMITED PILOTS (LONG HAUL) ENTERPRISE AGREEMENT 2020

Take note that with the promotions expected over the next 4 years youíll only be remaining on new hire SO pay if you choose to.
Yeah youíre still a long way out. Even on the new rate, I get $125k base. Plus any extras like training throughout the year. Not $80k.

*edited because MGH on the 787 is actually 145, not 140

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Old 14th May 2023, 04:50
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My apologies it’s $97,000 minimum guarantee on 330/350/380 no training as against $121,500 on the 787 first year. I gues there is a C scale then.
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Old 14th May 2023, 05:49
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Originally Posted by dragon man
My apologies itís $97,000 minimum guarantee on 330/350/380 no training as against $121,500 on the 787 first year. I gues there is a C scale then.
Dre/Dragon Man, whoever you are.

Still wrong.

A380/330/350 base excluding training is $110k in a couple of months time.

I still canít work out what maths youíre using.
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Old 14th May 2023, 07:42
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Originally Posted by dragon man
Why would you give that up for a SO job on the 787 based in Perth on $80,000 a year?
Well I can't say but I haven't enjoyed my time where I am at the moment, but I also could have moved perhaps to the middle East for a little more money and nicer routes/aircraft. And maybe have ended up with command there too on a much nicer plane than the 320.
But to answer your question, I guess Qantas has always been the dream job, for me and hey I don't mind roughing it out on a second officer salary for 4 years and im not too picky on which fleet I get assigned. So.....
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Hey there Captainhan, sad truth old boy, when it comes to HR at QF and who they do or do not hire I can assure you that your experience counts for SFA, 10,000 hours in command of a wide body on international operations to them is the same as 500 hours in a C206 out Broome. Go figure.
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Old 14th May 2023, 09:56
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Originally Posted by Give it the herbs
Check the seniority list - 1699. It'd probably get them a Perth widebody right seat in a few weeks.
How more people aren't outraged by it baffles me. Especially those being held back at link to help plug the hole in the training pipeline.
wait. How many chief pilots are there? I was thinking of AY
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Old 14th May 2023, 10:29
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Originally Posted by SixDemonBag
wait. How many chief pilots are there? I was thinking of AY
Hasn't been chief for a long time now.
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Old 14th May 2023, 11:45
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Originally Posted by morno
Dre/Dragon Man, whoever you are.

Still wrong.

A380/330/350 base excluding training is $110k in a couple of months time.

I still canít work out what maths youíre using.
MGH is 160 * 6 = 960.

32.7.4 Line hourly rates of pay effective from the first pay period on or after 1 July 2023

A380/330/350 = $106.17

787 = $133.02

So French fleet is about $100k, 78 is about $133k

Maths was never my strong suit, so please feel free to explain your working. FWIW I earned about $120-130 on the 78 as an SO including allowances. Like others have said, the choice is binary at the moment with all the movement. Either you want the LH lifestyle on $100-120k for doing little, or you want to fly the maggot around for circa $200k + and a little extra effort. Also, for those whinging about internals getting preference -I'm sure you would've whinged just as much while you sat on hold for 2 years watching externals get hired ahead of you because subsidiaries couldn't spare to let anyone go. It's a big game of swings and roundabouts, and if you play the victim throughout your career, people will give zero f....'s about your country song.
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Old 14th May 2023, 12:05
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Originally Posted by romeocharlie
MGH is 160 * 6 = 960. MGH for the 787 is 145, but you should know that if youíre on it. And thereís more than 6 bid periods in 365 days. 4 pays per BP X 26 fortnightís in a year. Thatíll get you an accurate per year amount.

32.7.4 Line hourly rates of pay effective from the first pay period on or after 1 July 2023

A380/330/350 = $106.17 X 160 / 4 X 26 = $110k

787 = $133.02 X 145 / 4 X 26 = $125k

So French fleet is about $100k ($110k on MGH), 78 is about $133k ($125k on MGH)

Maths was never my strong suit, so please feel free to explain your working. FWIW I earned about $120-130 on the 78 as an SO including allowances. Like others have said, the choice is binary at the moment with all the movement. Either you want the LH lifestyle on $100-120k for doing little, or you want to fly the maggot around for circa $200k + and a little extra effort. Also, for those whinging about internals getting preference -I'm sure you would've whinged just as much while you sat on hold for 2 years watching externals get hired ahead of you because subsidiaries couldn't spare to let anyone go. It's a big game of swings and roundabouts, and if you play the victim throughout your career, people will give zero f....'s about your country song.
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Old 14th May 2023, 12:08
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To be sure you get the correct numbers.

There are 6.5 BP per year. So all except the 787, that's 1040 hours.

And you must do 4 sims and 1 eps per year. Add security every 2 years. All up you will get a minimum of 1067.5 at min guarantee, and every second year you get an extra 5.5. If you aren't based where the Sim is, you also get the paxing credit days on top, but that's base dependant.

Of course you get allwances on top of all that.

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