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Old 29th Nov 2023, 08:11
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Migrants cannot work legally without a NI number. Interestingly all the temporary staff employed to direct traffic are non-white. I can only assume the ethnic English and Eastern Europeans are not prepared to stand in the cold on 12 hour shifts yet the Eastern Europeans are normally made of tougher stuff so the conditions must be bad. I was in the drop off area at 2 in the morning picking up family members. The staff looked frozen to the bone with some huddled into unheated bus shelters so not directing traffic. Oh and they have to provide their own coats.

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Old 29th Nov 2023, 10:04
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Why would anyone want minimum wage jobs when they will be just as well off on benefits? It's not the job market that is the problem but the benefit system.
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The problem is that a substantial number of people work at the airport yet are in poverty.

According to Robin Porter, working at the airport will end poverty yet there is an argument that it will cause poverty.
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Old 29th Nov 2023, 14:04
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Originally Posted by LTNman
The problem is that a substantial number of people work at the airport yet are in poverty.

According to Robin Porter, working at the airport will end poverty yet there is an argument that it will cause poverty.
Again a non Luton Airport specific argument.
You love the flash mega full service Airports who do not rely on LCC like Dubai & Istanbul yet I wonder how much most of the behind the scenes staff earn? Expansion no problems there if you live nearby.
Work or starving- no benefits or minimum wage in those countries.
Even LHR has large numbers of 'poverty' employees.
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Originally Posted by pabely
Again a non Luton Airport specific argument.
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I am inclined to disagree. Robin Porter has made a false statement at the DCO hearing that new jobs at Luton Airport will end poverty. It won’t and could increase poverty for some people or put them into poverty if they end up having to work at the airport.

Even LHR has large numbers of 'poverty' employees.
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What happens at Heathrow is irrelevant, as this is all about Luton.
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Old 29th Nov 2023, 15:25
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Originally Posted by LTNman
I am inclined to disagree. Robin Porter has made a false statement at the DCO hearing that new jobs at Luton Airport will end poverty. It won’t and could increase poverty for some people or put them into poverty if they end up having to work at the airport.



What happens at Heathrow is irrelevant, as this is all about Luton.
Meanwhile in the real world! Pay everyone a minimum £20/hour, increase landing & handling fees 200%, all traffic goes somewhere else so your very local green agenda is satisfied.
Hope you are the first to stand up and explain why your work colleagues have to commute to STN or lose their jobs!
Makes sense!
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Old 29th Nov 2023, 18:05
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It is a weak argument that poverty needs to continue just to keep landing fees down so Luton’s rich airlines stay rich and a few here can comment on new routes, as though that was important, compared to feeding the hungry. The Council talks about ending poverty by 2040 yet it has been in power for close to 20 years and has no problem lending LRT over half a billion pounds that could have been spent ending poverty now. This application has nothing to do with ending poverty, as it will just carry on as before.

When the poor take industrial action at the airport the Labour run Council refuses to support them while pretending to be socialist. Their actual vision is all about keeping the poor poor, as a pool of labour who is willing to work for £11769 per annum between 3.00 and 8.00 or work outside all night directing traffic for £11 per hour in subzero temperatures without anyone even providing them with a coat.
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Old 30th Nov 2023, 00:11
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Has the escalator in the arrivals area of the main pier ever worked? It's only a small escalator but EVERY time I arrive back at Luton there are queues waiting to get back up the stairs. And there doesn't seem to be enough e-gates for Border control either. The whole air side arrivals process needs a rethink. Endless corridors, up and down stairs and then a long wait at the border. The only positive being that hold luggage is already on the carousel by the time you've made it through the logjam.
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Old 30th Nov 2023, 06:16
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Welcome to the Luton experience. You can add the escalator to pier A as another one too often out of service.

The plan is for the passenger experience to only get worse with 19m passengers now approved. With LRT looking to increase that figure to 21.5m with just postage stamp sized extensions to the terminal, including a tiny extension to Border Control, queuing will also only get worse, as there is no room for a proper fix.

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Old 30th Nov 2023, 09:43
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Two new routes announced yesterday...

Two new routes announced - Source @SeanM1997 on X:

easyJet have announced a new route to Tivat in Montenegro, operating twice weekly from the 1st April and I don't think it has been served from the airport before.




Ryanair announced a new route to Palma yesterday, operating three times weekly, and starts from the 31st March.

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Old 30th Nov 2023, 11:02
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The airport is still effectively capped at 18m for 2024, as the airlines struggle with over capacity on existing routes.

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Old 30th Nov 2023, 17:09
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Grrr

An airport owned by LBC wants to buy a public amenity (a park) from LBC in order to bring noise and pollution onto the doorsteps of many of their council tax payers! You really could not make it up!

https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/po...igners-4428767
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Old 30th Nov 2023, 20:34
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I have no doubt the DCO will be approved but with many conditions, just like the public inquiry for 19m. This despicable council that sacked all its dinner ladies to save money has no problem funding the DCO at around £65m with the phoney promise of ending poverty. Try telling that to the dinner ladies.

Meanwhile Luton loses its award winning park and county wildlife site to create low paid jobs that no one wants as no one wants the shift patterns this expansion will create.

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Originally Posted by LTNman
I have no doubt the DCO will be approved but with many conditions, just like the public inquiry for 19m. This despicable council that sacked all its dinner ladies to save money has no problem funded the DCO at around £65m with the phoney promise of ending poverty. Try telling that to the dinner ladies.

Meanwhile Luton loses its award winning park and county wildlife site to create low paid jobs that no one wants as no one wants the shift patterns this expansion will create.
Are not the Dinner Ladies just outsourcing arrangements so still have to pay someone reducing costs for LBC? Just like many things in life now.

Are you against the 'Green Horizons Park' then which is 3000+ non airport related jobs? And the replacement country wildlife park is going to be larger- I remember as a kid the area was a disgrace, completely abandoned having multiple failed uses in the past. Hardly a local treasure. If the Wigmore Estate had not been built close to it in 1980s, it probably will still be unloved.
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The new pier for gates 30-43 seems to have closed in the last few days, with hoardings being erected in preparation for what looks like building work. Anybody know what's happening and how long this will last ?
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
The new pier for gates 30-43 seems to have closed in the last few days, with hoardings being erected in preparation for what looks like building work. Anybody know what's happening and how long this will last ?

The work in yellow maybe?
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Originally Posted by pabely

Are you against the 'Green Horizons Park' then which is 3000+ non airport related jobs? And the replacement country wildlife park is going to be larger- I remember as a kid the area was a disgrace, completely abandoned having multiple failed uses in the past. Hardly a local treasure. If the Wigmore Estate had not been built close to it in 1980s, it probably will still be unloved.
Green Horizons is unlikely to ever happen. The applicant has made it clear that they want permitted development rights allowing them to do as they please, as they want the land to be classed as airport operational land meaning more potential car parks.

Green Horizon's, or better known as Century Park, was all about building a dual carriageway for Terminal 2 but disguised as a road serving a business park funded by the Council to remove the cost from the airport. It should have been finished years ago but they still can't make a business case for the road so it was never built.

Meanwhile the airports old business park that sits behind the hangar line and is a brown field site lays all but abandoned.



As for your comment about the County Wildlife Site being replaced, there are no such plans and there has never been any plans.

Your comment about the park being a former disgrace is spot on so the intention is to start again with a new disgrace by planting a few saplings in a former turnip field and wait another 45 years.

So what happened to that disgrace in 45 years? I found this video from a campaign group that is a few years old so turn your speakers on and enjoy. It only lasts 2 minutes so now tell me it is still a disgrace? https://stoplae.org/wp-content/uploa...r-HD-SLAE-.mp4

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Old 1st Dec 2023, 12:38
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Originally Posted by pabely
The work in yellow maybe?
That is part of the DCO postage stamp terminal extensions. No doubt an extra million vacuum packed passengers could squeeze in there so it won't be that.
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Originally Posted by LTNman
That is part of the DCO postage stamp terminal extensions. No doubt an extra million vacuum packed passengers could squeeze in there so it won't be that.
The new mezzanine is going to free up some room.
​​​1m pax = 152 / hour, the early morning and teatime have no runway capacity to expand so the increase to 19m will only be using vacant slots during mid morning and afternoon, perhaps overall x2 Airbuses / hour.
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Phase one is an additional 3.5 million, which is the yellow bit you highlighted and that is the bigger extension out of the two.
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