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I agree the idea of LTN in future employing huge numbers of people *on site* is complete BS. However, the move to automate many roles is a good thing and not bad... you can be certain that BHX, EMA, STN, LGW and others are all trying to automate away as many employees as possible. Either LTN does the same, or LTN ceases to be cost competitive and loses relevancy to UK air travel. This element of competition keeps airports efficient and avoids the bad old days of a slothful and monopolistic BAA
Throughout history, we see that well developed and efficient transport infrastructure generates economic activity and employment. Those new jobs will not be minimum wage jobs at LTN airport... but instead more broadly across London and SE England. Having a significant airport in its back yard is a major asset to the economy of Hertfordshire and Bedfordshire - just like Heathrow attracts business to the Thames Valley. I suspect Silicon Fen near Cambridge would not be as significant if STN were much smaller.
100 years ago, railway stations used to have vast numbers of people working on site - far fewer do so now, yet a good rail network is essential to the UK economic well being.
Build it and jobs in the wider region will come.
Throughout history, we see that well developed and efficient transport infrastructure generates economic activity and employment. Those new jobs will not be minimum wage jobs at LTN airport... but instead more broadly across London and SE England. Having a significant airport in its back yard is a major asset to the economy of Hertfordshire and Bedfordshire - just like Heathrow attracts business to the Thames Valley. I suspect Silicon Fen near Cambridge would not be as significant if STN were much smaller.
100 years ago, railway stations used to have vast numbers of people working on site - far fewer do so now, yet a good rail network is essential to the UK economic well being.
Build it and jobs in the wider region will come.
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Security lanes are being reduced due to the government requirement to upgrade scanning equipment meaning less stops and searches and a much faster throughput with no 100ml liquid limit.
https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/pe...nology-4043749
There was also a tender out to remodel the security area.
https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/pe...nology-4043749
There was also a tender out to remodel the security area.
The other change introduced are the body scanners. Machines like the ones below are being installed. When I passed through last week there was actually a bit of a delay caused by these machines - possibly a combination of passengers being unfamiliar with them and also staff getting used to them.
davidjohnson6 - Your argument is valid if we look at the areas surrounding airports such as LHR and LGW (as the airports have world wide connections with a large amount of cargo activity)
Unless there is a drastic change in LTN's core market and the runway gets extended, LTN will never be in the same league.
Another joke about LRT's "high wage" sermons and reducing poverty in Luton.......Out of those that do earn decent wages at the airport (Pilots, ATC, Engineers etc) very few actually live in Luton!
Unless there is a drastic change in LTN's core market and the runway gets extended, LTN will never be in the same league.
Another joke about LRT's "high wage" sermons and reducing poverty in Luton.......Out of those that do earn decent wages at the airport (Pilots, ATC, Engineers etc) very few actually live in Luton!
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If the railway disappeared.. what would happen to the economy of Crewe, Doncaster or Swindon, and their regions ? I suspect something similiar in the relationship between Luton, its region and LTN
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And a second Lounge gets an upgrade was well next year "The current Aspire Lounge will be renovated and open under the My Lounge concept in summer 2024, offering 155 seats and a self-service pantry, with design “inspired by loft-style living”.
Along with the new mezzanine floor overlooking the departure lounge replacing the current Frankie & Benny’s unit, the Departures are seeing a significant upgrade for 2024.
Along with the new mezzanine floor overlooking the departure lounge replacing the current Frankie & Benny’s unit, the Departures are seeing a significant upgrade for 2024.
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For all of the above locations passengers have to pay to sit down. What the vast majority of passengers want is somewhere free to sit with the new mezzanine floor a major lost opportunity to provide much needed free seating.
The last set of accounts for the airport operator shows a turnover for the 13m passengers reached over £227m with an operating profit of £64m for its foreign owners. This is why everything is so expensive at Luton and in fact at all major airports, as they fleece captive passengers by taking a major cut of the income these eateries generate, which in turn means high prices for even a bottle of water.
The last set of accounts for the airport operator shows a turnover for the 13m passengers reached over £227m with an operating profit of £64m for its foreign owners. This is why everything is so expensive at Luton and in fact at all major airports, as they fleece captive passengers by taking a major cut of the income these eateries generate, which in turn means high prices for even a bottle of water.
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The last set of accounts for the airport operator shows a turnover for the 13m passengers reached over £227m with an operating profit of £64m for its foreign owners. This is why everything is so expensive at Luton and in fact at all major airports, as they fleece captive passengers by taking a major cut of the income these eateries generate, which in turn means high prices for even a bottle of water.
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How much are those passengers paying to fly
On the positive side Luton has reluctantly become one of the few U.K. airports offering free drop off and pick ups with no physical signs of that changing anytime soon. On the negative side the walk to the pick up area is a good 12 minutes for a passenger wheeling luggage.
It will be interesting to see if the replacement MSCP2, due in 2024/25, will be a carbon copy of what was built before with its fire rating of just one hour before it collapses.
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S24 initial coordination report is out but not totally accurate.
(Still showing Sun Express slots which will not happen)
Only interesting point is that new slots were requested and allocated by Ryanair for Warsaw but that is not bookable- yet ?
(Still showing Sun Express slots which will not happen)
Only interesting point is that new slots were requested and allocated by Ryanair for Warsaw but that is not bookable- yet ?
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Full use of sprinkler systems throughout maybe challenging with the need of retardant storages close by.
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Anyone with a long history of working at the airport will understand that the operator is not noted for joined up thinking. If they can get away with building a new car park without adequate fire suppression they will if they can save a few quid. I doubt any lesions have been learned as the view will be that lightning won’t strike twice. Others will think they are a bunch of chancers.
Anyone with a long history of working at the airport will understand that the operator is not noted for joined up thinking. If they can get away with building a new car park without adequate fire suppression they will if they can save a few quid. I doubt any lesions have been learned as the view will be that lightning won’t strike twice. Others will think they are a bunch of chancers.
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If they fit enhanced protection to a new MSCP2 it will be hard to justify not retrofitting suppression to MSCP1, as it is a mirror of the one that burned down.
Meanwhile
https://www.hertsad.co.uk/news/23993...hertfordshire/
Meanwhile
https://www.hertsad.co.uk/news/23993...hertfordshire/
COUNTY councillors say they are "vehemently opposed" to plans to increase passenger numbers at Luton Airport – and that NO conditions could make it acceptable.
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You missed highlighting this bit "Leader of the county council Cllr Richard Roberts was not permitted to vote or take part in the airport debate – after declaring that his wife was a non executive director of EasyJet, which has its headquarters at Luton."
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Good that he declared an interest unlike the directors of LRT, who are Luton Councillors and who openly refused to declare an interest in a vote over whether the airport should fund a residential parking scheme due to passengers parking in residential areas to avoid car park fees.
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Good that he declared an interest unlike the directors of LRT, who are Luton Councillors and who openly refused to declare an interest in a vote over whether the airport should fund a residential parking scheme due to passengers parking in residential areas to avoid car park fees.
Not surprising really as they all have a long history of acting against the public interest of local residents by following the party line.
Not surprising really as they all have a long history of acting against the public interest of local residents by following the party line.
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I think it’s fantastic that 1,200 direct employees of Luton Airport are residents of St Albans and residents of North Hertfordshire are equally employed. In addition it is great that Hertfordshire folk and in particular those living in the Dacorum area fly from their local airport.
Where were all these councillors & MPs during the Stansted expansion debate a few years ago if that is their real agenda.
As a good friend of mine says ( who spouts green agenda all day long ) we have to save the planet but when drilled would not give up his x4 year holidays to (Cape) Verde or skiing in the winter. He even criticises TUI for not offering summer flights from his local airport and has to go from Gatwick! But looks forward to Jet2 offering sometime from Stansted.