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Old 23rd Nov 2023, 09:53
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if you go to the table on page 50 (page 26 in the pdf), there were apparently 1,085 complainants, but of these…1,106 were new complainants. That seems unlikely.

Edit: just reached the bottom. “At the request of NTSC, one complainant who made 8,829 complaints in 2022, has been omitted from these data tables”. Who has the time?!
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Old 23rd Nov 2023, 10:09
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Think I have made 2 complaints in the last 10 years. Complete waste of time, as the nearest noise monitor is around 7km from me. Only legislation can control noise. In the case of Luton the operator won't impose limits and the Council knows the more noise that Luton produces the more money it gets, which by the way, I see none of, as I live in the wrong part of town.

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Just remembered that the operator has had the noise limits raised after failing to control noise.
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Old 23rd Nov 2023, 12:36
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Originally Posted by Request Orbit
if you go to the table on page 50 (page 26 in the pdf), there were apparently 1,085 complainants, but of these…1,106 were new complainants. That seems unlikely.

Edit: just reached the bottom. “At the request of NTSC, one complainant who made 8,829 complaints in 2022, has been omitted from these data tables”. Who has the time?!
So between 2021 and 2022 complaints dropped with that person removed. Sounds like that person is complaining about every night movement. I'm afraid a singular person does not constitute any need to change any limits. It would be interesting to know how long that person has lived at their address, how many holidays abroad they take and how they get on with their neighbours generally.
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Old 23rd Nov 2023, 14:49
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New Route

Salzburg by Wizzair
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Old 23rd Nov 2023, 16:20
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Looking at the "sustainability report", I am struck by the fact that the airport operator employs eight people on "sustainability". What on earth do they do all day? Compile reports that no-one reads? Impose reporting requirements on others?
That's a prima facie case of how to save a minimum of £300,000 a year without adversely affecting anyone.

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Old 23rd Nov 2023, 17:54
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No doubt they will have a degree in greenwash and BS.

i see there are now plenty of vacancies for the Dart after only 8 months of operation. It seems that giving them heaters wasn’t enough.
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Old 27th Nov 2023, 18:30
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"Roll Up, Roll Up for the Greatest Show on Earth!"

Robin Porter via LinkedIn:

Since we began the journey of Luton 2040, many hundreds of families have been taken out of poverty.

However inflation, cost of living and other external factors remain out of our control.

And 40% of our wonderful young people are still living in poverty. Thousands of young people that aren't able to eat breakfast before school.

We must and will eradicate poverty from Luton!

The expansion of London Luton Airport is fundamental to Luton 2040. 11,000 new jobs and over a £1billion added to the local economy each year. Millions of pounds of extra funding for public and community sectors. The town's future and fate will be in its own hands.

And our airport company will not allow it to come at the expense of the environment, with the most far reaching sustainability measures and controls ever put forward by a UK airport.

This week I'll be making this case as part of the DCO open floor hearings.


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Old 27th Nov 2023, 19:33
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11000 new jobs, don’t make me laugh!
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Old 27th Nov 2023, 19:38
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Open hearing starts tonight
https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/po...torate-4424452
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 08:57
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If the council wants to end poverty then it needs to stop promoting the airport, as it is a source of low paid jobs. Do a job search and find the long list of jobs paying around £11 an hour.
The jobs to be created are basically terminal, apron and car parking jobs, all of which are in the main rock bottom payers. As for Robin Porter, he failed to mention that there is such a thing as in-work poverty and that the airport is the major source of in-work poverty in the town. The airport and the Council need to keep the poverty struck poor so the airport remains competitive.

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Old 28th Nov 2023, 12:20
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Originally Posted by LTNman
If the council wants to end poverty then it needs to stop promoting the airport, as it is a source of low paid jobs. Do a job search and find the long list of jobs paying around £11 an hour.
The jobs to be created are basically terminal, apron and car parking jobs, all of which are in the main rock bottom payers. As for Robin Porter, he failed to mention that there is such a thing as in-work poverty and that the airport is the major source of in-work poverty in the town. The airport and the Council need to keep the poverty struck poor so the airport remains competitive.

Having looked at the list it is apparent to me there are multiple opportunities for anyone seeking employment. With regards to wages, the Government states the median weekly wage in the U.K. to be £682 gross or £35,464 a year. Based on your assumption you appear to be concerned no one can live on a salary of £25,000. Whilst I can see your point of view you may have forgotten not everyone lives alone. In my household there are two of us. We are mortgage free and both pay higher taxes on our earnings. I might one day want to change career and be happy to be a cleaner on £10 an hour. But imagine a New Terminal Building with hundreds if not thousands of new jobs for locals. Going back to the jobs listed at the airport some vacancies pay far higher salaries than the median!
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 12:30
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£10 per hour is below the current minimum wage, as is the quoted night rate.
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And isn't the cleaning wage about the same if you are cleaning a train, hospital, dental surgery etc.
It's would be like saying let's not build a new hospital until the cleaners are guaranteed £15/hour.
More good jobs at Wilko & Starbucks in The Mall as an alternative.
At the end of the day it will create alot of good jobs as well.
Hopefully encourage TUI, Wizzair & Easyjet do more airliner engineering work locally which does create good jobs.
Anyhow if T2 does get knocked back, don't expect expansion to end there. The concession model has to be revisited either way.

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Old 28th Nov 2023, 16:38
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Robin Porter, who is on close to £200,000 a year, wants to end poverty by providing a mass of airport jobs paying around £11 per hour that people already don't want, as they don't want to work shifts at the airport including weekend working and nights. .

I have found an example that was mentioned last night. 3am to 8am, 4 days on 4 days off for £11,769 per annum. I can see long queues to apply for this little gem, as an example of how to get rid of poverty.
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 16:52
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It puzzles me as to why the local people don't choose to learn more skills and apply for better jobs instead. Driving a bus earns significantly more. A severe shortage of people willing to work on minimum wage will eventually force LTN into paying more money
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 16:52
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To be fair that is only 17.5hrs a week, not everybody’s cup of tea with the hours but it is the same hours each day and works out at nearer £24k a year full time.
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Old 28th Nov 2023, 18:40
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Many people are only offered part time and seasonal work.

Changing the subject. Work to start on removing the MS car park will start in January and take around 15 weeks. It is another 14 to 18 months to rebuild it.
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Old 29th Nov 2023, 00:26
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Many people are only offered part time and seasonal work.

Changing the subject. Work to start on removing the MS car park will start in January and take around 15 weeks. It is another 14 to 18 months to rebuild it.
Presumably there is going to be no change in the temporary solution for 2 years then? It’s really going to be off putting for travellers, myself included. Are they not at least thinking about using the ground floor of the other MSCP?
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Old 29th Nov 2023, 05:23
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They are looking at other temporary solutions to replace the existing temporary measures, no doubt so they can start charging again asap.

I can’t see it being in MSCP1 due to the shear amount of traffic that would need to enter the car park via its own temporary single lane entry point in the summer and the lack of ventilation due to low ceilings.

i am thinking they will convert a large part of of the mid term car park into a proper drop off area with traffic lights, lanes and pavements. At the moment it is a free for all with people stopping all over the place.
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Old 29th Nov 2023, 06:03
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Controversial maybe but there will always be plenty of migrants wanting to take that low salary.
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