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Old 16th Dec 2023, 15:46
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Of course it is and with property costs being much higher in those areas I suspect a good number are well paid jobs.
The poorly paid jobs, which is the majority of the proposed new jobs airport expansion might bring, will go to people living in Luton. Those with money tend not to live in third world Luton with is social and economic problems brought on in part due to its airport.

In March, 37% of universal credit recipients in Luton were employed, and 18,762 households were receiving the benefit. Many of those will be working at the airport.

Sam Tims, economist at the New Economics Foundation think tank, said: "inadequate levels of support" combined with low pay and insecure work was forcing people receiving benefits into difficult decisions.
Examples of insecure work includes working at the airport on part time contracts or seasonal work. To be competitive the last thing LRT needs is well paid jobs for the majority of the workforce. They talk the talk about ending poverty yet do nothing except trying to creat more low paid jobs so people living in St Albans can bang a bargain and get away more often.

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Originally Posted by Falcon666
S24 initial coordination report is out but not totally accurate.
(Still showing Sun Express slots which will not happen)
Only interesting point is that new slots were requested and allocated by Ryanair for Warsaw but that is not bookable- yet ?
Also interesting is EL Al increases, 780 slots over 30 weeks = 26 / week, almost double daily again throughout. Assuming no flight on Saturday then maybe x3 Friday. Their booking engine does not show anything but that is expected at the moment. Keeps them happy in not being forced over to STN yet STN remains in their booking engine as a destination but no flights bookable.
I would assume Dan Air Romania are using some of the Sun Express/Blue Air slots. They stated their focus would be Brașov but Wizz Air might have killed that idea, maybe that will come later.
Yet again Transavia France try, seems to be a regular request.
All in all enough space for something new, even if from the existing major players. I for one, expect AMM and IST will see double daily's at some point. New being Tbilisi and Baku and a long shot Almaty once the A321XLRs start to arrive. They openly say they are going East and are on record saying "The first Airbus A321XLRs to join Wizz Air's fleet will likely be based with its subsidiaries in Abu Dhabi and the UK once deliveries begin next year".
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Old 16th Dec 2023, 17:32
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Originally Posted by LTNman
The poorly paid jobs, which is the majority of the proposed new jobs airport expansion might bring, will go to people living in Luton. Those with money tend not to live in third world Luton with is social and economic problems brought on in part due to its airport.

In March, 37% of universal credit recipients in Luton were employed, and 18,762 households were receiving the benefit. Many of those will be working at the airport.



Examples of insecure work includes working at the airport on part time contracts or seasonal work. To be competitive the last thing LRT needs is well paid jobs for the majority of the workforce. They talk the talk about ending poverty yet do nothing except trying to creat more low paid jobs so people living in St Albans can bang a bargain and get away more often.
Your beef is always against the council. If the Airport was sold off for short term profits so no link to council would your views change? Long term profits disappear over to Spain, China or Saudi.
Won't change the jobs available and in fact with more automation and AI there will be less of them.
One could argue things started to go wrong with Luton with the Car Industry.
Vauxhall & Renault Trucks were big employers. It's labour became unproductive and expensive vs what was on offer elsewhere. Swindon & Dagenham found out as well and had to adapt.
Your solution is...........?

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Seeing you are asking the airport should be kept under the ownership of the council but greed and incompetence took over as income to LRT from the airport is being used for debt interest payments instead of dividends, which remain at zero.

If the airport was left at 18m then that would secure the airports future. It is now looking like LRT will borrow more money to finance phase 1 if approved, which further risks the airport of a takeover. The whole point of the concession is that the concessionaire takes the risks.

Let’s not forget that LRT is only here today due to a bailout by a council despite being created as a zero risk company to just collect concession fees and rents with no staff.

The town needs diversity not a single source employment choice for job creation where 24/7 becomes the only option.

These are all points I have said before so it is time to move on and get back to the airport, as no one is interested in my rants.

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Old 17th Dec 2023, 15:10
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Originally Posted by Lee Baker Street
I think it’s fantastic that 1,200 direct employees of Luton Airport are residents of St Albans and residents of North Hertfordshire are equally employed. In addition it is great that Hertfordshire folk and in particular those living in the Dacorum area fly from their local airport.
Because the vast majority of their constituents who actually vote in local elections are aged over 75…
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Old 17th Dec 2023, 15:21
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Originally Posted by LTNman
These are all points I have said before so it is time to move on and get back to the airport, as no one is interested in my rants.
You make some very valid points but it’s clouded by your clear and vehement dislike of LBC. They are certainly not my cup of tea either and some of them should not be in post due to lack of qualification, but they have a million priorities to consider and their priority is to get people employed. Why don’t you put yourself up? We do live in a democracy.

The town actually is very strong in terms of SMEs registered in the town. Although it is clear that to the council I’m sure that diversity in employment is needed… this doesn’t happen overnight in what is already an overcrowded town.

In terms of the airport itself, I am certainly torn as to its future. 50% of me thinks that it should be sold, or maybe partly, to private investment but the other 50% recognises, as has been pointed out above, is that it’s then run for profit with them funnelled to other projects in other countries.
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I notice Wizz are going double daily on the Luton to Istanbul route on Tuesday's and Saturdays, from April or May next year.

Interestingly the Gatwick to Istanbul route is operating twice daily five days a week next summer and the days it does not operate twice daily, are the days its flown twice daily from LTN.
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Old 18th Dec 2023, 11:48
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Originally Posted by gdiddy
I notice Wizz are going double daily on the Luton to Istanbul route on Tuesday's and Saturdays, from April or May next year.

Interestingly the Gatwick to Istanbul route is operating twice daily five days a week next summer and the days it does not operate twice daily, are the days its flown twice daily from LTN.
Slot restrictions at LTN or LGW?
If LTN gets the green light for phase 1 expansion to 21/22m pax then this has potential for x4 daily like some of their other trunk routes.
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TK are not cheap. Yes, good service, but it comes at a price.
I suspect a lot of the LTN/LGW-IST traffic is people self-connecting at IST to domestic flights inside Turkey or to Ercan airport on the island of Cyprus. SAW has a fraction of the domestic flights that IST has

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Old 18th Dec 2023, 15:45
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It's all the Turkish barbers going home for a haircut.
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Old 18th Dec 2023, 18:08
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Wizzair at one point tried to setup a Turkish unit, wouldn't surprise me if that will being tried again as there is still loads of capacity available at Istanbul to join Wizzair hub dots further.
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Old 18th Dec 2023, 19:18
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
TK are not cheap. Yes, good service, but it comes at a price.
Service in the air (Biz) was indeed good. Service on the ground at IST was terrible. I was connecting to another TK flight and every single desk agent had no interest in me, I was constantly fobbed off with wrong information - and saw the same happening to other pax. Never again.
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Old 19th Dec 2023, 21:13
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Luton Airport your next destination to visit Universal Studios Resort?
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/bu...on-1235766019/
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How long would it likely take to get a theme park open ? 5 years ? More ? Less ?
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Old 20th Dec 2023, 06:18
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From the linked article:

“We recently acquired land in Bedford and are at the early stages of exploring its feasibility for a potential park and resort at this site,” the spokesperson says. “It will be many months before we are ready to make a decision to proceed and we look forward to engaging with all relevant stakeholders and the local community.”
The move — if it does come to fruition — would mark a further expansion of Universal’s theme parks business, and comes as the company is in the middle of building two new parks: Epic Universe in Orlando, and Universal Kids in Frisco, Texas.

The company is expected to proceed slowly, and a source cautions that it will be some time before any firm decision is made. The U.K.’s large population and robust tourism sector, combined with its location, are seen as attractive attributes for a park.
I'd say 'more'
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Old 20th Dec 2023, 07:57
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Bedford has been chosen as a potential location due to its excellent transportation connectivity to London and Europe, with more than half of the UK population within a two hour journey away.Additionally, the town is seen as having potential because of its close proximity to Luton airport.
More of a case for expansion at Luton Airport then!
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Old 20th Dec 2023, 08:12
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The airport already has a very popular tourist attraction that opened on October 10th and can be viewed from just metres away from a viewing platform and all for free.
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Old 20th Dec 2023, 08:19
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Originally Posted by LTNman
The airport already has a very popular tourist attraction that opened on October 10th and can be viewed from just metres away and all for free.
LTNman - a large theme park would do a lot to bring money into Bedfordshire. That's people coming to visit Bedfordshire and seeing the area as a place to spend money, rather than it all benefitting hotels and restaurants in other countries. It includes people from other countries wanting to come to Bedfordshire. Perhaps one could look at the positives rather than considering this equal to a highly destructive fire ?
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This is the land acquired- it is the old Stewertby brickworks site that was originally going to be the site for the NIRAH Project. Great news that others around the world see Bedfordshire as the ideal location but if it does go ahead I can see it being 8-10 years. LTNman need not worry , I am sure there will be plenty of low paid jobs there as well.
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Old 20th Dec 2023, 09:03
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
LTNman - a large theme park would do a lot to bring money into Bedfordshire.
Let’s not forget Luton is the WB Harry Potter tour’s closest airport and London is only 30 minutes away.
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