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I was indeed up in MAN, I even survived Terrible 3. It pains me at what they've done to the old dometic pier. It was a little civilised pier back in yonder days of ye olde 20th century. The load for the Saudia B777 looked to be good, lot's of people in very tradtional dress. I still don't get the Saudi connection with the region though.
B-HUA is indeed a passenger B744, although sadly not for much longer. #nostalgicegccdaysofyore
Disappointing to see stands 72-74 have joined the car park!!!
Can someone confirm when US Airways moved across to T3? google has several dates....
B-HUA is indeed a passenger B744, although sadly not for much longer. #nostalgicegccdaysofyore
Disappointing to see stands 72-74 have joined the car park!!!
Can someone confirm when US Airways moved across to T3? google has several dates....
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Hopefully for the last time as the new car park under app for23R is now under construction and will be finished later this year which should make a lot more space available, mind you very few aircraft sit around do nothing at this time of year so stands are not so pushed as they are in winter.
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The folks under 23r must be waiting for a mag payday.
I would move...if i could but I guess some are stuck.
First they had the planes, but then the heavy work related to the trains that came rumbling along, two years back they found out that the metrolink was coming and when that is done they face a dual carriage due to start yards from the door. .....and having until recently consoled themselves with at least having some sheep to look at beyond the back garden they now get a car park.
Wait till the alarms are going off every 5 mins something lands ?
I wonder if anybody thought about that ?
I would move...if i could but I guess some are stuck.
First they had the planes, but then the heavy work related to the trains that came rumbling along, two years back they found out that the metrolink was coming and when that is done they face a dual carriage due to start yards from the door. .....and having until recently consoled themselves with at least having some sheep to look at beyond the back garden they now get a car park.
Wait till the alarms are going off every 5 mins something lands ?
I wonder if anybody thought about that ?
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Etihad seem to have brought forward the upgrade of the EY21/22 to a B77W. Starts tomorrow instead of June 2nd. The EY15/16 upgrade to the B77W is still scheduled for June 2nd.
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I think the people who live near the Airport have it both ways though. Yes, a lot of works have disrupted their lives and the new car park and dual carriageway are coming to put more cars near to their homes. BUT, they are going to have a 4 platform rail station to serve them, metrolink stops surrounding them, a bus and coach station too. And the dual carriageway will surely help them by easing traffic congestion.
From a public transport point of view, there can't be many places in Greater Manchester as well connected as the Airport is.
From a public transport point of view, there can't be many places in Greater Manchester as well connected as the Airport is.
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Flynas CEO has said that load factors and bookings so far on routes to Gatwick, Manchester and Casablanca are around 50-60%.
Seems with their ad-hoc upgrades and pledge to increase flights by the end of the year, Saudia could be winning the battle at MAN.
Seems with their ad-hoc upgrades and pledge to increase flights by the end of the year, Saudia could be winning the battle at MAN.
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Noticed the afternoon Etihad has upgraded to the 77W today and more surprisingly sent a High J version normally used across the North Atlantic.
Sign of good premium load or just a few exec's to view the crucial last two games of Manchester's only football team ?
Sign of good premium load or just a few exec's to view the crucial last two games of Manchester's only football team ?
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Actually did see your earlier post however the use of one of only two High J models was the surprise in and of itself.
These are rather better than the cattle class versions used to the sub-continent and that I expected would be deployed.
Actually did see your earlier post however the use of one of only two High J models was the surprise in and of itself.
These are rather better than the cattle class versions used to the sub-continent and that I expected would be deployed.
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Getting a bit ahead of things there aren't you? I would have said that level of bookings when the MAN route only starts today isn't bad. Depends of course how the bookings are spread across the 3 routes.
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I agree 50% load factor re Flynas in first few months, to me at least seemsnothing short of remarkable....given competition from Saudia and negligible, dare I say NIL publicity.
Saudi needs a mega heavy push to relevant communities in the Golden Circle, Birmingham, Humberside, South Yorkshire and Lancashire, hope also MAG do their bit.
Inviting senior members of those communities to launch would have been ideal method to get message out at no cost and maximum exposure but thus far all I have seen is a picture of a cake on the twitter feed.
MEN, Radio Manchester, Radio Merseyside, Radio Blackburn, Radio Bradford, Facebook, email etc etc etc
"IF" you want to fill these flights there is no point sitting back , someone needs to be procative !
Meanwhile MAG seem to be pushing outbound tourism to China, very little to suggest they are pushing inbound or setting up advance links with relevant agencies despite the 2nd most popular destination for Chinese being only 1 hour from Man airport !
Is marketing outsourced ?
I don't get it, at times it remains sporadic. fragmented, inconsistent !
Saudi needs a mega heavy push to relevant communities in the Golden Circle, Birmingham, Humberside, South Yorkshire and Lancashire, hope also MAG do their bit.
Inviting senior members of those communities to launch would have been ideal method to get message out at no cost and maximum exposure but thus far all I have seen is a picture of a cake on the twitter feed.
MEN, Radio Manchester, Radio Merseyside, Radio Blackburn, Radio Bradford, Facebook, email etc etc etc
"IF" you want to fill these flights there is no point sitting back , someone needs to be procative !
Meanwhile MAG seem to be pushing outbound tourism to China, very little to suggest they are pushing inbound or setting up advance links with relevant agencies despite the 2nd most popular destination for Chinese being only 1 hour from Man airport !
Is marketing outsourced ?
I don't get it, at times it remains sporadic. fragmented, inconsistent !
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I don't get it, at times it remains sporadic. fragmented, inconsistent !
Saudi needs a mega heavy push to relevant communities in the Golden Circle, Birmingham, Humberside, South Yorkshire and Lancashire, hope also MAG do their bit.
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Because it is outsourced to the airline, the airfield is in effect a medium.
Blimey Skippy don't ever decide to go into business, your margin will be dead in a week !
OK so why bother going b***s out to promote Hong Kong when Cathay announced ?
Why bother having all the blurb for "certain" destinations on the web site but not others ?
I fail to see the difference of promoting one route over another especially if it's a new route !
Asda, Tesco etc all provide mediums for others to sell their goods, OK they may purchase and sell on BUT if MAG make money on the airline landing fee OR a passenger parking or buying an item in the airport it is in their best interests to promote.
Blimey Skippy don't ever decide to go into business, your margin will be dead in a week !
OK so why bother going b***s out to promote Hong Kong when Cathay announced ?
Why bother having all the blurb for "certain" destinations on the web site but not others ?
I fail to see the difference of promoting one route over another especially if it's a new route !
Asda, Tesco etc all provide mediums for others to sell their goods, OK they may purchase and sell on BUT if MAG make money on the airline landing fee OR a passenger parking or buying an item in the airport it is in their best interests to promote.
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Prior to departing Jeddah for Manchester as KNE025, FlyNas A330-300 CS-TMT had arrived in Jeddah from Karachi. The aircraft was on the ground at Jeddah for just over three hours between the two flights … ideal for connections from Pakistan. And of course, the FlyNas A320 regional network no doubt provides additional feed as well. PIA's capacity at MAN is significantly reduced from that seen afew years ago; Air Blue has axed long-haul; Bangladesh Biman briefly returned to MAN then faded away again; Air India pulled out some years ago. Yet Manchester remains a source of huge demand to the sub-continent. The MEB3 have claimed some of this, but no doubt the two Saudi carriers are staking their claim also. The market for Islamic pilgrimages and for Saudi Arabia itself is a factor, but selling seats onward to Pakistan etc must improve the viability of the route.
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Blimey Skippy don't ever decide to go into business, your margin will be dead in a week !
I fail to see the difference of promoting one route over another especially if it's a new route !
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MAG has to tread a fine line between promoting a new route yet not doing so at the expense of an existing customer
Could not agree more Skip but as I also suggested why then salivate over Hong Kong ? Is that not a prime example of something you suggest the airport might be wise to avoid ?
My goodness we even have a China forum !
Punters are clearly getting there NOW via MEBs, BA etc etc so I must be missing something.
It's a commercial market, airlines are not going to say we are not flying from there simply because the airport announces a new route, they might if the loads were down "eventually" but as evidenced this week by one MEB, EITHAD they have increased since the Cathay announcement with strong bookings.
I fail to see why the marketing/emphasis is disproportionate ?
There seems to be a mindset that the pax throughput is finite and can only be shared by a limited number of airlines, I disagree !
What about critical mass ? .....more airlines, more routes, more connectivity, more passengers !
Could not agree more Skip but as I also suggested why then salivate over Hong Kong ? Is that not a prime example of something you suggest the airport might be wise to avoid ?
My goodness we even have a China forum !
Punters are clearly getting there NOW via MEBs, BA etc etc so I must be missing something.
It's a commercial market, airlines are not going to say we are not flying from there simply because the airport announces a new route, they might if the loads were down "eventually" but as evidenced this week by one MEB, EITHAD they have increased since the Cathay announcement with strong bookings.
I fail to see why the marketing/emphasis is disproportionate ?
There seems to be a mindset that the pax throughput is finite and can only be shared by a limited number of airlines, I disagree !
What about critical mass ? .....more airlines, more routes, more connectivity, more passengers !
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It has to be a connected critical mass Bagso. The US carriers lack a critical mass as they are competitors in differing alliances, Emirates does not co-operate with Qatar or Etihad in the same way American co-operates with US or BA. That takes you back to lack of dominant based carrier which gives you critical mass.
EY/EK/QR will erode yields unless they grow the market in line with capacity, something EY doesn't care about...... Cathay is linking MAN with the one true "world city" it lacks, that's exceptional even on a p2p basis and great news.
EY/EK/QR will erode yields unless they grow the market in line with capacity, something EY doesn't care about...... Cathay is linking MAN with the one true "world city" it lacks, that's exceptional even on a p2p basis and great news.
Can someone confirm when US Airways moved across to T3? google has several dates....
