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Maybe as I get older I get more pessimistic, but like I say it just always seems MAN is 'never quite as good as the Scandinavian airports'.
Also look at the presence of the ME3 and releative transatlantic connections with the US majors. MAN's biggest issue (like EDI) for me is that it is an organic creation unlike say T5 or BHX. Like they used to do at LHR, they just keep adding bits on until it makes no sense whatsoever. Gate 141 springs to mind...., actually anything to do with T3 fits that bill.
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We are not allowed to approach a terminal in our cars to drop off our granny in case we're all murderers with explosives, the result bing the rip off drop off fees.
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we put up with a lot more rip offs than they do. We are not allowed to approach a terminal in our cars to drop off our granny in case we're all murderers with explosives, the result bing the rip off drop off fees.
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And my post was more in reference that LN-KGL has quite the track record for the underlying snipes at MAN.
I would say many of their punches has only hit thin air
But I think for MAN it will be wise to also learn how to convert a misarable airport
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In what way is promoting Little Red any different from promoting any other airline that routes pax through its hub
It isn't !
.....and if I had actually said that it would be a legitimate comment.
For the hard of understating I suggested that .....
"the amount of advertising with reference to LittleRed was disproportionate !"
The LR Tweets have become a "love in ".
There are an awful lot of airlines "very loyal" to Manchester who have not been referenced in ANY social marketing media.
And yes Skippy with reference to ROUGE and indeed LittleRed, let us not go "loopy" on one new airline over another !
We certainly do not want to create "disproportionate" links with one airline as a new entrant over the value of a long standing airline.
"oh hang on you mean like heavy promotion of Little Red, fairly new on the scene I would say over BA, or Cathay, who have not yet actually arrived yet over SIA".
It isn't !
.....and if I had actually said that it would be a legitimate comment.
For the hard of understating I suggested that .....
"the amount of advertising with reference to LittleRed was disproportionate !"
The LR Tweets have become a "love in ".
There are an awful lot of airlines "very loyal" to Manchester who have not been referenced in ANY social marketing media.
And yes Skippy with reference to ROUGE and indeed LittleRed, let us not go "loopy" on one new airline over another !
We certainly do not want to create "disproportionate" links with one airline as a new entrant over the value of a long standing airline.
"oh hang on you mean like heavy promotion of Little Red, fairly new on the scene I would say over BA, or Cathay, who have not yet actually arrived yet over SIA".
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LN-KGL, You've posted some good analysis of MAN's traffic statistics on another site, but I have to agree with LAX-LHR that you have a tendency to emphasise negatives such as certain markets being down, or play down positives because, for example, of some quirk in the comparatives for the previous year.
As regards CPH, I think a straight comparison of passenger numbers is somewhat meaningless for a couple of reasons that come to mind.
Firstly, I assume CPH is still something of a hub for the rest of Scandinavia, despite growth at other airports, with a significant number of transfer pax. MAN has not developed as a mini hub and has a modest volume of connecting pax.
Secondly, does CPH have an airport with over 9m pax 80 miles to the south or one with over 4m pax 30 miles to the west and a similar airport 50 miles to the east?
MAN has to compete with such airports and in my view has done well to recover much of what was lost after 2006. We can debate why MAN ignored lo-cost carriers for so long and why it seemed to suffer more than some other airports from the financial crisis losing 25% of its business, but I do think it deserves credit for what it has started to achieve. However, IMO, the timing of that downturn has deferred much needed investment in parts of the infrastructure and there are legitimate questions as to whether MAN has been too cautious in reactivating and updating some of the original expansion projects.
As regards new routes such as those by CX and TCX, surely the focus has to be on attracting new passengers who may otherwise use other competitive airports, and avoiding as far as possible passengers simply switching from other long haul carriers at MAN. I would think this is where MAN's marketing in regions outside the immediate North West has a part to play.
As regards CPH, I think a straight comparison of passenger numbers is somewhat meaningless for a couple of reasons that come to mind.
Firstly, I assume CPH is still something of a hub for the rest of Scandinavia, despite growth at other airports, with a significant number of transfer pax. MAN has not developed as a mini hub and has a modest volume of connecting pax.
Secondly, does CPH have an airport with over 9m pax 80 miles to the south or one with over 4m pax 30 miles to the west and a similar airport 50 miles to the east?
MAN has to compete with such airports and in my view has done well to recover much of what was lost after 2006. We can debate why MAN ignored lo-cost carriers for so long and why it seemed to suffer more than some other airports from the financial crisis losing 25% of its business, but I do think it deserves credit for what it has started to achieve. However, IMO, the timing of that downturn has deferred much needed investment in parts of the infrastructure and there are legitimate questions as to whether MAN has been too cautious in reactivating and updating some of the original expansion projects.
As regards new routes such as those by CX and TCX, surely the focus has to be on attracting new passengers who may otherwise use other competitive airports, and avoiding as far as possible passengers simply switching from other long haul carriers at MAN. I would think this is where MAN's marketing in regions outside the immediate North West has a part to play.
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Again we go round in circles .
The majority of the UK airport in fracture inadequacies today are a direct result of political dictates at the highest level and without due regards to how things actually work and subsequent effect.
I think, no am sure we discussed it not so long ago.
Unnecessary however politically expedient border checks on EU arrivals yet no funding for additional staff or to Airport operators to alter in fracture accordingly .
Yep as Skip comments terminal access limitations imposed in a knee jerk way because some fools fried themselves
Separation of arriving/departing passengers within piers -Pointless !
The majority of the UK airport in fracture inadequacies today are a direct result of political dictates at the highest level and without due regards to how things actually work and subsequent effect.
I think, no am sure we discussed it not so long ago.
Unnecessary however politically expedient border checks on EU arrivals yet no funding for additional staff or to Airport operators to alter in fracture accordingly .
Yep as Skip comments terminal access limitations imposed in a knee jerk way because some fools fried themselves
Separation of arriving/departing passengers within piers -Pointless !
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Lets stop this my airport is better than yours as it is very boring, from what we are led to believe very exciting things are going to happen, infact they are already with Airport city, the tram and the expansion of the logistics area as well. Terminals wise is a much bigger problem in that they were designed before all the fun and games post 9/11 and 7/7 with segregating pax. which has made it a nightmare.
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I will answer LN-KGL's question, yes CPH was a miserable airport in the 1990's and in my opinion is still today. It is one of the most boring airports to have to spend time in transit in my opinion, having had to do so on several occasions.
But i will admit my opinion is subjective, which I will accept unlike others.
But i will admit my opinion is subjective, which I will accept unlike others.
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Agree with you 100% on all three!! However until the country stops being run by the Daily Mail, The Sun and the Express then nothing's going the change in UK.
Unnecessary however politically expedient border checks on EU arrivals yet no funding for additional staff or to Airport operators to alter in fracture accordingly .
Yep as Skip comments terminal access limitations imposed in a knee jerk way because some fools fried themselves
Separation of arriving/departing passengers within piers -Pointless !
Yep as Skip comments terminal access limitations imposed in a knee jerk way because some fools fried themselves
Separation of arriving/departing passengers within piers -Pointless !
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Unnecessary however politically expedient border checks on EU arrivals yet no funding for additional staff or to Airport operators to alter in fracture accordingly .
Yep as Skip comments terminal access limitations imposed in a knee jerk way because some fools fried themselves
Separation of arriving/departing passengers within piers -Pointless !
Agree with you 100% on all three!! However until the country stops being run by the Daily Mail, The Sun and the Express then nothing's going the change in UK.
Quote:
Unnecessary however politically expedient border checks on EU arrivals yet no funding for additional staff or to Airport operators to alter in fracture accordingly .
Yep as Skip comments terminal access limitations imposed in a knee jerk way because some fools fried themselves
Separation of arriving/departing passengers within piers -Pointless !
Agree with you 100% on all three!! However until the country stops being run by the Daily Mail, The Sun and the Express then nothing's going the change in UK.
Above typed from iPhone earlier awaiting a train and that damn auto-correct feature, the hated thing - read infrastructure where says in fracture !
ATnotts its worse than being governed by the red tops and Mail (just a red top with longer words and fewer pictures !)
We have been governed for two decades by members from all three parties of significance and taking advise from so called Security Experts often with dubious commercial ties, and Risk Analysts that provide report after report on just about every aspect of life !
Given prevalence of neo liberal thinking and putting a price on everything many of these tabulated risks however seem to go un-contested on cost/benefits.
Many public bodies and especially politicians are totally unqualified to understand these elaborate reports more rather react with the heavy hammer.
Much of this is down to the prevalence of career politicians in all parties having little if any any real life experiences !
However whilst this does effect industries and particularly aviation its probably best discussed elsewhere and i am happy too at any time.
The legality is "x" metres from the terminal for public vehicles as we all are untrustworthy because of a few mad Indian men. It's an excuse.
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MAN, IAD experiences
Got back into MAN this morning from Washington D.C. on LH via FRA. Indirect return was due to price/availability vs direct on United, which I used on the outbound leg. A good experience at MAN this morning: un-delayed taxi to gate, an airbridge (remote at FRA), passport e-gates slow but working, with help on hand. Baggage reclaim at T1 was swift, albeit not a busy time (11.10 arrival). Only the silly down-and-then-up again walk from Gate 25 to Immigration for pax to have a slight moan about. A321 FRA-MAN was chock-a-block full, as was UA B757 MAN-IAD last week. Load factors clearly strong on many MAN routes at the moment. Great to be able to fly direct from MAN to a growing list of US destinations, and hopefully the B757 Atlantic routes will get a change of gauge soon as I think the lack of seats forced me to return via FRA.
LH's new B747-8I is a lovely beastie, the IFE and cabin service excellent too.
IAD is a mixed experience: slow Immigration, clumsy mobile lounges inbound, good subway people-mover outbound. A vast airport with about the same number of pax as MAN (21m). The Eero Saarinen terminal is still wonderful, inspiring, with a classic yet modern feel to it. And it works well, being essentially a large space which can be reconfigured as required. Built the same year as the core of MAN's T1 but MAN's design never allowed for substantial growth/changes and has since become outdated and needs redevelopment. A good opportunity to create something timeless and inspiring for us all to enjoy!
LH's new B747-8I is a lovely beastie, the IFE and cabin service excellent too.
IAD is a mixed experience: slow Immigration, clumsy mobile lounges inbound, good subway people-mover outbound. A vast airport with about the same number of pax as MAN (21m). The Eero Saarinen terminal is still wonderful, inspiring, with a classic yet modern feel to it. And it works well, being essentially a large space which can be reconfigured as required. Built the same year as the core of MAN's T1 but MAN's design never allowed for substantial growth/changes and has since become outdated and needs redevelopment. A good opportunity to create something timeless and inspiring for us all to enjoy!
Interesting aside. This evening I flew from DUS to MAN on our little Eurowings /Lufthansa CRJ9. Our gate was sandwiched on one side by an ANA B787 going non stop to Tokyo & on the other side an Air China A332 going to Beijing (although Dusseldorf displayed it as Peking ! ).
I was a bit surprised at these direct routes from DUS as FRA is little more than 100 miles away. The ANA had about 30 passengers waiting & the Air China even less. Make of that what you will - both departures were imminent.
Just shows how political these route decisions are.
The only let down tonight was waiting at MAN almost 15 minutes to disembark ( CRJ has its own steps) - putting us to the back of the Immigration queue after TCX, Norwegian & the EK 777. It was a "long" queue !
I was a bit surprised at these direct routes from DUS as FRA is little more than 100 miles away. The ANA had about 30 passengers waiting & the Air China even less. Make of that what you will - both departures were imminent.
Just shows how political these route decisions are.
The only let down tonight was waiting at MAN almost 15 minutes to disembark ( CRJ has its own steps) - putting us to the back of the Immigration queue after TCX, Norwegian & the EK 777. It was a "long" queue !
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It is actually rather encouraging to read that Ryanair's new chief marketing officer cites Manchester as being his favourite city in the world and commutes to his Dublin office from here. He speaks highly of the area's tourism potential. It can't do any harm to have positive awareness of Manchester and its passenger appeal well represented in the higher echelons of Ryanair.