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With TCX taking up Miami will be interest9ng to see if American delay any possible return their now.
Im expecting at least one on here to say it will make no difference and AA will go tripple daily from MAN-MIA
Nigel
With TCX taking up Miami will be interest9ng to see if American delay any possible return their now.
Im expecting at least one on here to say it will make no difference and AA will go tripple daily from MAN-MIA
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Yes I drive past quite often and it is certainly moving at a rapid rate as is the new car park off Styal Road, but that has to be done before any more
expansion terminal wise can be started and also the talked of move for MAG office staff to Airport City, the quicker the better as things are starting to look a tad full T1/T3
Ian
expansion terminal wise can be started and also the talked of move for MAG office staff to Airport City, the quicker the better as things are starting to look a tad full T1/T3
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You can't honestly tell me you don't believe the primary purpose of these flights to these very specific destinations is not to fill cruise ships ? 
Condor don't even fly to MIA or JFK.
What percentage of pax on these flights do you think will be O+D or Flight only ?
You can book seat only on TOM winter cruise charters to Barbados...are they classed as "quasi scheduled" ?
Condor don't even fly to MIA or JFK.
What percentage of pax on these flights do you think will be O+D or Flight only ?
You can book seat only on TOM winter cruise charters to Barbados...are they classed as "quasi scheduled" ?
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So what if a lot of people on the flights go on to cruises, it affords people the option to fly to these places, and people may for example use Miami as an entry point for their holiday home in Southern Florida and rumour has it New York is actually a destination in it's own right.
It beats me why people have to try to find a negative in any progress or good news.
Closer to home Jet2 are making a pretty good fist of mixing seat only and packages using their own flights, why shouldn't TCX?
It beats me why people have to try to find a negative in any progress or good news.
Closer to home Jet2 are making a pretty good fist of mixing seat only and packages using their own flights, why shouldn't TCX?
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I wonder if that Condor 767 will also serve JFK and/or MIA, as I believe Condor currently serve the latter themselves from Germany?
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Why such a bee in your bonnet?
And no, i do not think the JFK flights are primarily for cruise passengers, and more baffled as to why you think it is?
And no Thomson is not the same as TCX as they do not actively sell seat only like TCX do such as GDS and interlining
Why such a bee in your bonnet?
And no, i do not think the JFK flights are primarily for cruise passengers, and more baffled as to why you think it is?
And no Thomson is not the same as TCX as they do not actively sell seat only like TCX do such as GDS and interlining
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I have had a few days now where pop-up ads appear on my web pages promoting Norwegian flights.
They state 'From Manchester direct to 'Destination' from £xx'.
The destinations that appear are Oslo, Stockholm and Stavanger. Fine, they are direct routes.
Then, lately, I keep getting Las Palmas, Barcelona, Tromso and Copenhagen. All advertised as direct routes from MAN. When I click on them, it first says 'flights unavailable', and re-loading the web page in a 'new search' will bring up 1 stop connections.
Very odd.
They state 'From Manchester direct to 'Destination' from £xx'.
The destinations that appear are Oslo, Stockholm and Stavanger. Fine, they are direct routes.
Then, lately, I keep getting Las Palmas, Barcelona, Tromso and Copenhagen. All advertised as direct routes from MAN. When I click on them, it first says 'flights unavailable', and re-loading the web page in a 'new search' will bring up 1 stop connections.
Very odd.
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Whilst over on a trip to Manchester Friday I noticed a large and highly prominent advert for Saudia which has gone up near Media City / Old Trafford
Also I called in the tourist office and picked up a booklet which covered retail opportunities in Spinningfields, Northern Qtr, Selfridges, Trafford Centre etc etc, no news there then, BUT it was in Chinese and sponsored by MAG, so well done there !
We just need other points of interest in the North be they retail, cultural or historical etc to follow suit ! Take note VisitChester, Chatsworth etc !
Incidentally I had an email from the Trafford Centre that indicated there will be some signage in Chinese and they are training up Chinese speaking hosts !
Only downer "why oh why" a MAG not promoting Toronto Charlotte etc NOW !
Given increases on capacity with Transat maybe its not required BUT I'm sure Rouge could do with a leg up !
Whilst they might be short term they could be extended OR used as conduit for other service in 2015 if successful, they should STILL be pushed !
I did email them and they said there will be mega PR on launch date. ..er but surely too late for Rouge ? Who on earth will book that late!
Marketing has improved but it still needs an all embracing holistic approach across new and existing routes not one which is highly selective
Eg Hong Long or dare I say LittleRed which STILL seem to be taking a disproportionate and copious amount of route publicity !
Also I called in the tourist office and picked up a booklet which covered retail opportunities in Spinningfields, Northern Qtr, Selfridges, Trafford Centre etc etc, no news there then, BUT it was in Chinese and sponsored by MAG, so well done there !
We just need other points of interest in the North be they retail, cultural or historical etc to follow suit ! Take note VisitChester, Chatsworth etc !
Incidentally I had an email from the Trafford Centre that indicated there will be some signage in Chinese and they are training up Chinese speaking hosts !
Only downer "why oh why" a MAG not promoting Toronto Charlotte etc NOW !
Given increases on capacity with Transat maybe its not required BUT I'm sure Rouge could do with a leg up !
Whilst they might be short term they could be extended OR used as conduit for other service in 2015 if successful, they should STILL be pushed !
I did email them and they said there will be mega PR on launch date. ..er but surely too late for Rouge ? Who on earth will book that late!
Marketing has improved but it still needs an all embracing holistic approach across new and existing routes not one which is highly selective
Eg Hong Long or dare I say LittleRed which STILL seem to be taking a disproportionate and copious amount of route publicity !
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Not sure why Little Red shouldn't be promoted considering the revenue it generates for the airport. I'm guessing somewhere in the region of 150k - 180k passenger throughput in the current financial year ?
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The actual responsibility for promoting a route does lie with the operating carrier. The quickest way to annoy exisiting customer Air Transat is to go loopy over new customer Air Canada Rouge. Remember a fair few on Cathay's new HKG run will be taken from existing carriers at MAN, so MAG need to tread sensibly.
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Re Norwegian pop up route adds
I suspect it is just a glitch if non direct routes pop up, although you can book A 2 C through B with Norwegian as a one ticket purchase.
The direct flights seem to be doing ok. if Norwegian do expand the route network at MAN then i suspect TFS will be first up this coming winter using TFS based aircraft and crews to start with.
Rumours come and go about basing, MAN was hot a month ago but i've heard nothing since
I suspect it is just a glitch if non direct routes pop up, although you can book A 2 C through B with Norwegian as a one ticket purchase.
The direct flights seem to be doing ok. if Norwegian do expand the route network at MAN then i suspect TFS will be first up this coming winter using TFS based aircraft and crews to start with.
Rumours come and go about basing, MAN was hot a month ago but i've heard nothing since
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In what way is promoting Little Red any different from promoting any other airline that routes pax through its hub, whether it be Lufthansa via FRA/MUC, KLM via AMS etc? Or even EK via DXB, EY via AUH or QR via DOH. And perhaps even CX via HKG.
Connectivity from MAN is best served by its mix of point-to-point routes and those that involve connecting through a hub.
Connectivity from MAN is best served by its mix of point-to-point routes and those that involve connecting through a hub.
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I agree with you Skipness One Echo. Even the European champion in route development of 2014, CPH, has experienced set backs due to treating existing customers with inaccurate demand information. The last came with Emirates not increasing to twice daily CPH-DXB, but opted to start daily OSL-DXB with 77W in stead. CPH's original numbers showed there was passenger demand for a second daily, but didn't distinguish between local demand and transfers from Norway and Sweden.
CPH is very unlike MAN in many ways with being a capital airport and being the main hub for one of the Star Alliance founders, SAS, and with this hub operation one of four passengers are transferring at the airport. But the two airports are very equal to each other too. They have almost the same passenger numbers. Both have a number of terminals, but unlike MAN, CPH has connected them airside. They both try to attrack new Asian carriers with existing carriers basing their current service on passengers to these new destinations. The range of foreign intercontinental carriers too are very equal except for CPH not having Etihad and the two Saudi, but then they have Thai in stead.
MAN has a lot to learn from the successes and errors of CPH, and with the MAG development team having a Nordic flair with Mats Sigurdson (background from ARN) and Kimmo Holopainen (background from Finavia) I hope this knowledge is covered for one of them. I was a fly on the wall (photographer) during an interview for Airways Magazine with the ARN marketing team (that included Mats Sigurdson) in 2007, and they clearly knew of the tricks CPH used - both the good and the bad.
CPH is very unlike MAN in many ways with being a capital airport and being the main hub for one of the Star Alliance founders, SAS, and with this hub operation one of four passengers are transferring at the airport. But the two airports are very equal to each other too. They have almost the same passenger numbers. Both have a number of terminals, but unlike MAN, CPH has connected them airside. They both try to attrack new Asian carriers with existing carriers basing their current service on passengers to these new destinations. The range of foreign intercontinental carriers too are very equal except for CPH not having Etihad and the two Saudi, but then they have Thai in stead.
MAN has a lot to learn from the successes and errors of CPH, and with the MAG development team having a Nordic flair with Mats Sigurdson (background from ARN) and Kimmo Holopainen (background from Finavia) I hope this knowledge is covered for one of them. I was a fly on the wall (photographer) during an interview for Airways Magazine with the ARN marketing team (that included Mats Sigurdson) in 2007, and they clearly knew of the tricks CPH used - both the good and the bad.
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MAN has a lot to learn from the successes and errors of CPH
So, given the similarities but MAN's lack of a star alliance hub and CPH being a capital city, one could argue MAN punches above CPH's weight?
Therefore Im not quite sure what it is MAN 'has got to learn' from CPH?
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Therefore Im not quite sure what it is MAN 'has got to learn' from CPH?
In terms of infrastructure planning, designs for new facilities and commissioning them should always involve looking at both good and bad examples; to learn best practice and from the bad experiences of others.
And everybody can ALWAYS learn from others - it applies in life generally; no one knows it all (although some think they do
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I'm sure that is more a reference to the methods used by the development team rather than a reflection purely of the route structure and airline operations
It will never reach the on time performance of OSL, it will not be as good as CPH's route development, not quite the passenger figures of ARN and so on. Back on the other there was always a reason why MAN's passenger figures were up. Volcanoes, snow, bank holidays. Always seemed to begrudge saying some growth was organic.
Maybe as I get older I get more pessimistic, but like I say it just always seems MAN is 'never quite as good as the Scandinavian airports'.
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LAX_LHR, one could well say "MAN punches above CPH's weight" as the two quotes below may explain, but if we consider MAN having 2.3 million yearly passengers more than CPH as late as mid 2005 and to end up today with 3.5 million less yearly passengers, I would say many of their puches has only hit thin air.
In other words, Suzeman hit the nail with excellence. But I think for MAN it will be wise to also learn how to convert a misarable airport to being one of the top airports in Europe.
PS The MAN quote comes from MAN press releases and the CPH quote comes from CPH.dk website.
PS2 For a Norwegian to admit CPH does something well - makes me sick, but then I try to be objective and not let subjective feelings take overhand.
Manchester’s long-haul catchment area places around 24 million people and 60% of all UK businesses within a two-hour drive time.
4.1 million people are living within a travelling time of approximately two hours from Copenhagen Airport.
PS The MAN quote comes from MAN press releases and the CPH quote comes from CPH.dk website.
PS2 For a Norwegian to admit CPH does something well - makes me sick, but then I try to be objective and not let subjective feelings take overhand.