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With the campaign at LHR it must at least put the NE in travellers minds for a future trip to the UK. Can do nothing but good for the region.
I was in Copenhagen on Monday, nice to see NCL on the destination board, leaving just before my SAS flight to LHR.
I was in Copenhagen on Monday, nice to see NCL on the destination board, leaving just before my SAS flight to LHR.
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Yes there is other airlines however there is little news coming from them all.
Yes TOM, LS and TCX all starting new routes.
As for the mainly EZY what are they adding and how are they supporting the north east??? Someone please remind me who easyjet are?
As for seats from ncl just been looking to travel agents looking for a 3/4 night holiday in a weeks time and there is nothing. All 7 or 14 night flights.
Easyjet to palma however for 2 adults wants 75.00 out but 216 for the return I think not!!!
Thomson have a good choice off 650 for 2 adults for 4 nights in palma half board. There is only 5 seats left on plane and 1 room in hotel so the holiday planes are full!!!!
More choice is needed and extra flights during school holidays from ncl..
Same holiday is on sale from manchester and gatwick but they want an extra 150.00 per person.
Yes TOM, LS and TCX all starting new routes.
As for the mainly EZY what are they adding and how are they supporting the north east??? Someone please remind me who easyjet are?
As for seats from ncl just been looking to travel agents looking for a 3/4 night holiday in a weeks time and there is nothing. All 7 or 14 night flights.
Easyjet to palma however for 2 adults wants 75.00 out but 216 for the return I think not!!!
Thomson have a good choice off 650 for 2 adults for 4 nights in palma half board. There is only 5 seats left on plane and 1 room in hotel so the holiday planes are full!!!!
More choice is needed and extra flights during school holidays from ncl..
Same holiday is on sale from manchester and gatwick but they want an extra 150.00 per person.
As for the mainly EZY what are they adding and how are they supporting the north east??? Someone please remind me who easyjet are?
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HH6702: Who are easyJet? Well they were until very recently NCLs biggest airline in terms of passenger numbers. That may or may not be the case now but if not they are still a very significant player at NCL. They may not add weird and wonderful destinations nor are they sexy but they provide regular and reliable service to popular routes and don't shut down in winter (like some). They also provide sustainable employment for many local people not to mention the supply at chain. Again - year round and that's how they support the North East. It's all well and good having all these destinations but if the airlines(s) that fly them practically shut down in winter then it ain't all that good is it? The 'others' have cabin crew of 5/6 month contracts and pilots on 70% contracts. EZY have mainly full time permanent crew with a few 10 month cabin crew and a few part time pilots (read one or two).
As for pricing like all airlines they use dynamic pricing based on supply and demand and fare bucketing. I know where this is going - a big conspiracy whereby they charge cheap fares outbound (the fares they advertise) but hammer you in the return is utter nonsense. Particularly if you're looking at half term or any times where there are spikes in demand. Go on any airline and you will find EXACTLY the same.
If you've been looking at EZY flights over the next few weeks and there's nothing available then it's a good sign that flights are full. After all it's the summer holidays and it's pretty last minute. Of course the flights are going to be full. Interestingly I just looked on the website and found four/five night holidays to Malaga, Faro and Malta all for the £200-250 range. Not too bad for a fairly late booking at the busiest time of year.
I'm off to AGP in November on TOM which is part of a package. Looked at holiday only and getting my own flights there and EZY were £35 cheaper return full price if I was to buy a flight only. But doing so would mean the holiday only (without flight) would be more expensive and not worth it. And hence I'm going TOM. But the actual flights are cheaper with EZY. And the onboard experience is exactly the same.
As for pricing like all airlines they use dynamic pricing based on supply and demand and fare bucketing. I know where this is going - a big conspiracy whereby they charge cheap fares outbound (the fares they advertise) but hammer you in the return is utter nonsense. Particularly if you're looking at half term or any times where there are spikes in demand. Go on any airline and you will find EXACTLY the same.
If you've been looking at EZY flights over the next few weeks and there's nothing available then it's a good sign that flights are full. After all it's the summer holidays and it's pretty last minute. Of course the flights are going to be full. Interestingly I just looked on the website and found four/five night holidays to Malaga, Faro and Malta all for the £200-250 range. Not too bad for a fairly late booking at the busiest time of year.
I'm off to AGP in November on TOM which is part of a package. Looked at holiday only and getting my own flights there and EZY were £35 cheaper return full price if I was to buy a flight only. But doing so would mean the holiday only (without flight) would be more expensive and not worth it. And hence I'm going TOM. But the actual flights are cheaper with EZY. And the onboard experience is exactly the same.
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EZY have certainly introduced some new routes to NCL in recent times, i.e. Jersey, Tenerife, Malta, Amsterdam and most recently, twice daily London (Gatwick), plus switching an A319 for an A320. Even though it is a three a/c base there are more flights involving "w" patterns from other bases. As previously stated, they are a year round operation.
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'Yes there are other airlines but there is no news from them'
There's no news from Emirates!! It's just the same posts by the same people about pax figures, pax figures and pax figures. I feel like I'm forgetting something. Oh yes....
PAX FIGURES!
There's no news from Emirates!! It's just the same posts by the same people about pax figures, pax figures and pax figures. I feel like I'm forgetting something. Oh yes....
PAX FIGURES!
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I feel like I need to say this:
I've never come across so much animosity between different people who all have the same interest, just because you prefer the boring side of the hobby doesn't mean you should be able to look down on those of us who like the exciting side. I justify this because I prefer going out spotting (SHOCK HORROR!!!), flying aircraft that I am personally fond of/that are my last chance to fly on, thinking about (often very optimistic) ideas for airlines and airports I have a personal liking for, and observing how my favourite airlines and airports are doing AND NOT sitting around all day, thinking about why routes CAN'T work, why they AREN'T feasible and why airports like Newcastle SHOULDN'T have the services they do.
In the same breath I reiterate:
Emirates will continue to expand at Newcastle and we will end up with more than 1 daily flight, be it 10 weekly or 2 daily.
New York will happen on a scheduled basis at some point, with some airline.
We will see at least one large global played from the Middle east/Asia region, be it TK, EY, QR
Some Long haul will start to make a comeback, lets see how TOM do with Jamaica coming up.
But also, NCL's 2 undeniably most "faithful"/"stable" airlines, BA and KLM will continue to stay strong and hopefully we might see something more from them, I do hope they get some competition to bring costs down a bit, but with EZY, KLM have shown they can more than face up to it. AF have also been faithful to NCL but compared to when EZY was on the route the fares are extortionate, and LH is quite disappointing to be honest. EI and SK, I'm sure they will both be sticking around this time.
And finally, I find this one more tentative than all the rest, I HOPE that NCL will see more services on the leisure front. EZY have been the only ones to stay pretty much the same in terms of seats offered, whereas TCX, TOM and now LS are all reducing seat count by using smaller aircraft (LS slightly evened out by the addition of an extra aircraft). But I hope maybe for 2016 LS could add another 738 or 752 which in turn could encourage expansion from TOM or TCX whether it is a new aircraft, replacing the leased A320 with their own A321 or leased A321, or getting in other airlines to operate flights for them. This is the one that could go either way but I think after 3 years of decline, now that the airlines have increased their yields new services and expansion should be more attractive to them.
I say this all in confidence, I know 95% of you wont agree and will have a field day picking up on everything that is wrong that this post (in your opinion of course), but I'll be sure to refer back to it in 5 years or more to show I and others have proven you wrong.
Thank you, good day and I am sure you all now know exactly where I stand.
I've never come across so much animosity between different people who all have the same interest, just because you prefer the boring side of the hobby doesn't mean you should be able to look down on those of us who like the exciting side. I justify this because I prefer going out spotting (SHOCK HORROR!!!), flying aircraft that I am personally fond of/that are my last chance to fly on, thinking about (often very optimistic) ideas for airlines and airports I have a personal liking for, and observing how my favourite airlines and airports are doing AND NOT sitting around all day, thinking about why routes CAN'T work, why they AREN'T feasible and why airports like Newcastle SHOULDN'T have the services they do.
In the same breath I reiterate:
Emirates will continue to expand at Newcastle and we will end up with more than 1 daily flight, be it 10 weekly or 2 daily.
New York will happen on a scheduled basis at some point, with some airline.
We will see at least one large global played from the Middle east/Asia region, be it TK, EY, QR
Some Long haul will start to make a comeback, lets see how TOM do with Jamaica coming up.
But also, NCL's 2 undeniably most "faithful"/"stable" airlines, BA and KLM will continue to stay strong and hopefully we might see something more from them, I do hope they get some competition to bring costs down a bit, but with EZY, KLM have shown they can more than face up to it. AF have also been faithful to NCL but compared to when EZY was on the route the fares are extortionate, and LH is quite disappointing to be honest. EI and SK, I'm sure they will both be sticking around this time.
And finally, I find this one more tentative than all the rest, I HOPE that NCL will see more services on the leisure front. EZY have been the only ones to stay pretty much the same in terms of seats offered, whereas TCX, TOM and now LS are all reducing seat count by using smaller aircraft (LS slightly evened out by the addition of an extra aircraft). But I hope maybe for 2016 LS could add another 738 or 752 which in turn could encourage expansion from TOM or TCX whether it is a new aircraft, replacing the leased A320 with their own A321 or leased A321, or getting in other airlines to operate flights for them. This is the one that could go either way but I think after 3 years of decline, now that the airlines have increased their yields new services and expansion should be more attractive to them.
I say this all in confidence, I know 95% of you wont agree and will have a field day picking up on everything that is wrong that this post (in your opinion of course), but I'll be sure to refer back to it in 5 years or more to show I and others have proven you wrong.
Thank you, good day and I am sure you all now know exactly where I stand.
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You've quoted on your article "I say this on confidence". But surely confidence doesn't make anything you say actually true? Where have you got this information, factually?
At the moment, you say in 10 years time we will have an EK double daily route. Where do you base the confident information from? We have got a decent passenger numbers but there's not huge growth at NCL. Why would we all of a sudden be able to get an extra 300 passengers per day from? It's not like the summer leisure market, people from EDI and GLA won't travel down to take some of our cheaper flights like they do for holidays in the scottish school holidays. So I ask you where does this estimated extra growth of passengers come from because a lot of would be passengers have EK flights from there local airports.
Perhaps KIN could happen with TOM long haul but there's other destinations that if TOM got the choice to choose from out of their current long haul market they would choose from.
In regards to other carriers starting up other operations on a direct basis to NYC, IST etc. I don't think this is going to happen. As many, many people have said there's no need to have this. We have the NCL-DXB, NCL-LHR and NCL-AMS to connect passengers and people are happy to do that. One of the only logical routes would be a NCL-MAD, that would give passengers extra options to connect to even more long haul destinations at a more competitive price.
I don't feel the need to reply to anything else. In all due respect, I completely appreciate and respect your opinions and views but I do think your post and saying your confident of those views is ridiculous. Nobody knows what will happen next year never mind 10 years!
At the moment, you say in 10 years time we will have an EK double daily route. Where do you base the confident information from? We have got a decent passenger numbers but there's not huge growth at NCL. Why would we all of a sudden be able to get an extra 300 passengers per day from? It's not like the summer leisure market, people from EDI and GLA won't travel down to take some of our cheaper flights like they do for holidays in the scottish school holidays. So I ask you where does this estimated extra growth of passengers come from because a lot of would be passengers have EK flights from there local airports.
Perhaps KIN could happen with TOM long haul but there's other destinations that if TOM got the choice to choose from out of their current long haul market they would choose from.
In regards to other carriers starting up other operations on a direct basis to NYC, IST etc. I don't think this is going to happen. As many, many people have said there's no need to have this. We have the NCL-DXB, NCL-LHR and NCL-AMS to connect passengers and people are happy to do that. One of the only logical routes would be a NCL-MAD, that would give passengers extra options to connect to even more long haul destinations at a more competitive price.
I don't feel the need to reply to anything else. In all due respect, I completely appreciate and respect your opinions and views but I do think your post and saying your confident of those views is ridiculous. Nobody knows what will happen next year never mind 10 years!
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My comment was specifically relating to EZY and yes, London, Gatwick is a new route for EZY and is an expansion at NCL for that carrier.
Gatwick was a route previously operated by Flybe and, of course, is not new to NCL
Gatwick was a route previously operated by Flybe and, of course, is not new to NCL
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JonnyH, I completely agree with what you are saying I would also want proof/sources etc. However I have non, or at least I have very little and the little that I do have I am not at liberty to divulge, you'll probably just have to wait 5+ years and I'll let you know then 
sorryyyyy.
I am going out on a limb completely with that post but they are most of my beliefs and hopes for Newcastle, all of which I am confident have potential.
I was wondering, from the tone of your comment about KIN, are you aware that Thomson are starting Montego Bay from NCL in January?
None of this is intended to be agressive or confrontational, although I know that some members have a penchant for replying in said tone, must be personal taste really.
Anyway, as you say, we can only wait, nobody knows what is happening behind the scenes or what will happen in the future and that goes for everybody's predictions both good and bad.
I'd finally just like to drop in the amount of people who said in 2006/2007 that Emirates would never come/would never be more than 3 weekly/daily will never work/the ever so famous "I'll give them 6 months" etc.
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sorryyyyy.I am going out on a limb completely with that post but they are most of my beliefs and hopes for Newcastle, all of which I am confident have potential.
I was wondering, from the tone of your comment about KIN, are you aware that Thomson are starting Montego Bay from NCL in January?
None of this is intended to be agressive or confrontational, although I know that some members have a penchant for replying in said tone, must be personal taste really.
Anyway, as you say, we can only wait, nobody knows what is happening behind the scenes or what will happen in the future and that goes for everybody's predictions both good and bad.
I'd finally just like to drop in the amount of people who said in 2006/2007 that Emirates would never come/would never be more than 3 weekly/daily will never work/the ever so famous "I'll give them 6 months" etc.
Regards
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You specifically said;
A comment specifically relating to easy would have made sense on the easyJet specific thread. However, as you qualified your easyJet specific comment with "to NCL", which is superfluous on the NCL specific thread anyway, you implied that easy had introduced the route to the airport.
They didn't.
EZY have certainly introduced some new routes to NCL in recent times
They didn't.
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ahhhh, the infamous 'I have very little sources that i am not at liberty to divulge'
So you have none then.
This is what really makes NCL stand out from other airports, spotters thinking they know what will happen, when it will happen etc.
NYC - NCL are doing nothing at the moment to pursue any form of NCL-NYC route, make of that what you like, but from my point of view, they've realised its a dead end and have moved on. A US Airline will not even contemplate starting a flight into NCL unless they are assured it will earn them a heap load of money, otherwise the operating costs will make it utterly pointless.
EK (AGAIN!!) We've all seen the news paper reports saying they want to add a second flight bla bla bla bla. WANT and WILL are 2 different things, and i quote from said article
'There are lots of ifs and buts, and it isn’t guaranteed, but if we continue to have months like March we could see the introduction of double daily flights within a few years.'
So, i would love to know where this whole 'EK WILL add a second flight' is coming from, because i have just read the words 'IF and COULD'
NCL will never be the long haul stronghold some people expect it to be. It has been said many a time, there are to many gaps in the European market at NCL, that should take priority, not long haul routes left right and centre, and where will all of these huge planes go? Seeing as though only a few stands are capable of handling such big aircraft.
So you have none then.
This is what really makes NCL stand out from other airports, spotters thinking they know what will happen, when it will happen etc.
NYC - NCL are doing nothing at the moment to pursue any form of NCL-NYC route, make of that what you like, but from my point of view, they've realised its a dead end and have moved on. A US Airline will not even contemplate starting a flight into NCL unless they are assured it will earn them a heap load of money, otherwise the operating costs will make it utterly pointless.
EK (AGAIN!!) We've all seen the news paper reports saying they want to add a second flight bla bla bla bla. WANT and WILL are 2 different things, and i quote from said article
'There are lots of ifs and buts, and it isn’t guaranteed, but if we continue to have months like March we could see the introduction of double daily flights within a few years.'
So, i would love to know where this whole 'EK WILL add a second flight' is coming from, because i have just read the words 'IF and COULD'
NCL will never be the long haul stronghold some people expect it to be. It has been said many a time, there are to many gaps in the European market at NCL, that should take priority, not long haul routes left right and centre, and where will all of these huge planes go? Seeing as though only a few stands are capable of handling such big aircraft.
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No one is saying to not have dreams or wishes of what you want to see but its gotten to a stage where the entire thread is a constant of 'when will EK go double daily' 'when will someone start NY' 'when will x set up here because they could easily make it work'
Just look at the Manchester and Gatwick threads for example where they talk about actual current routes or planned routes which atleast have a chance of starting. And yes, there may be little news at NCL at the moment but there's nothing from EK either or NY for that matter, nor has there been any new hints for a long while now.
Think about EK - if they went double daily that would mean over 50,000 seats a month - where is the demand coming from when it doesn't reach 20,000 some months at the moment. It is doing well at 1 daily, no one can deny that, and it will continue to grow but I can't see it needing a second daily for atleast 6-8 years, so why not talk about it when it happens or when stronger rumours happen rather than every day on here?
I've said in the past how much of a big supporter I am of NCL but some of these routes would simply never work - and people saying that does not mean that they don't support NCL, it means they are being realistic.
Just appreciate what NCL has and if a new route happens, it happens and if it doesn't it doesn't - an entire thread dedicated to what some people want to see without any information/sources to support quite frankly gets a bit boring after a while...
Just look at the Manchester and Gatwick threads for example where they talk about actual current routes or planned routes which atleast have a chance of starting. And yes, there may be little news at NCL at the moment but there's nothing from EK either or NY for that matter, nor has there been any new hints for a long while now.
Think about EK - if they went double daily that would mean over 50,000 seats a month - where is the demand coming from when it doesn't reach 20,000 some months at the moment. It is doing well at 1 daily, no one can deny that, and it will continue to grow but I can't see it needing a second daily for atleast 6-8 years, so why not talk about it when it happens or when stronger rumours happen rather than every day on here?
I've said in the past how much of a big supporter I am of NCL but some of these routes would simply never work - and people saying that does not mean that they don't support NCL, it means they are being realistic.
Just appreciate what NCL has and if a new route happens, it happens and if it doesn't it doesn't - an entire thread dedicated to what some people want to see without any information/sources to support quite frankly gets a bit boring after a while...
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My personal opinion is that I doubt NYC will ever be more than a couple of shopping weekend trips for the following reasons:
-United decided that it could make more money in LHR than it could from BRS with its vast catchment area and being in a very affluent area.
-NYC is reachable just up the road in EDI or a couple of hours away in MAN.
-As the US majors scale back their 757 operations, competition between destinations to be served by the 757 will be fierce.
-Once the 757 goes they are left with options - all of which are just too much jet.
-Lack of inbounds. This would be North Easterners going on their jollies and I can see very few inbound visitors from the US. The NE is not a tourist hotspot. Before anyone jumps in listing tourist attractions, I don't doubt there will be some visitors, just not enough to fill a 757 regularly.
-Regular and flexible options via AMS, LHR, DUB and CDG. Yes the flight would be direct but the business folk want choice.
-United decided that it could make more money in LHR than it could from BRS with its vast catchment area and being in a very affluent area.
-NYC is reachable just up the road in EDI or a couple of hours away in MAN.
-As the US majors scale back their 757 operations, competition between destinations to be served by the 757 will be fierce.
-Once the 757 goes they are left with options - all of which are just too much jet.
-Lack of inbounds. This would be North Easterners going on their jollies and I can see very few inbound visitors from the US. The NE is not a tourist hotspot. Before anyone jumps in listing tourist attractions, I don't doubt there will be some visitors, just not enough to fill a 757 regularly.
-Regular and flexible options via AMS, LHR, DUB and CDG. Yes the flight would be direct but the business folk want choice.
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Speaking of EK, they are using a standard 772 today, for the first time since the service started IIRC. Was there not performance restrictions with this a/c type, hence the use of 772LRs and 77Ws?
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GrahamK, second time one of the very low MTOW 772's has been in I think. My wife flew on one from Newcastle in October 2012 on her way to Nairobi. Certainly very rare to see one of these three in the UK. Should have the spotters out 
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Oh dear god. Give me strength. EK35/36 is surely worthy of it's own thread.
I wonder what variant of the 777 it is tomorrow. I wonder what the vegan main dish will be on it next Thursday, I wonder what TV shows will be on it in July 2017. Will it be double daily. Will it be an A380? Who knows, but one thing is for sure and that is the fact that the Newcastle forum will be dominated by boring EK35 craic.
I think I need some time out.
I wonder what variant of the 777 it is tomorrow. I wonder what the vegan main dish will be on it next Thursday, I wonder what TV shows will be on it in July 2017. Will it be double daily. Will it be an A380? Who knows, but one thing is for sure and that is the fact that the Newcastle forum will be dominated by boring EK35 craic.
I think I need some time out.