NEWCASTLE - 8
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Home
Posts: 1,948
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Just look at MJV. EZY were twice weekly, LS thrice, now down to one a week and no EZY. Let's hope other routes don't go that way.
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Gateshead, UK
Age: 25
Posts: 1,168
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Before LS I'm sure EZY were keen not even to stop at 7 based, I think EZY/LS could have worked well side by side 4/5 A/C each, some competition on leisure routes, but EZY offers advantages on scheduled routes because they offer(ed) much higher frequency than Jet2's 2/3 weekly flights.
I'll take a look on the caa site and do a similar list, can anyone provide the following as there isn't really much definitive on Google:
1. EZY's based A/C increases and decreases, when did they go from 4 to 5 to 6 to 7 aircraft? And when did they come down to 3?
2. Which routes have EZY since dropped from NCL... Paris, Stansted, Krakow, Budapest, Berlin... Any more? And do you know the respective years?
3. Jet2 came onto the scene in 2006 I believe, is this correct?
Also, some more digging I'd like to do:
1. When did XL start flying from NCL? Which year were they at their peak in terms of based units/routes served and how many? Maybe if they operated some routes outside of the norm you could name them?
2. How has TCX's presence changed at NCL since, say 2002?
3. Mytravel, how many based units/routes and which years were they most active? I assume they also plied the more common holiday routes
4. Flyjet, I don't believe they operated that many flights, although NCL was one of their main bases, any info on them?
5. HLX... Which routes did they operate? Over which time period? I'm sure they had a relatively sizeable route map from NCL at one point.
6. Were their any other airlines? Maybe TOM/BY were larger a few years ago, did Onur Air have more presence maybe? Air Portugal and Sata were quite regular I think but I don't really know, this is what I want to find out.
Sorry for the questions, I just want to be able to go through the archives and compile a list of the routes to see what has declined since 2006 and how.
Thank you for any help you may be able to provide
I'll take a look on the caa site and do a similar list, can anyone provide the following as there isn't really much definitive on Google:
1. EZY's based A/C increases and decreases, when did they go from 4 to 5 to 6 to 7 aircraft? And when did they come down to 3?
2. Which routes have EZY since dropped from NCL... Paris, Stansted, Krakow, Budapest, Berlin... Any more? And do you know the respective years?
3. Jet2 came onto the scene in 2006 I believe, is this correct?
Also, some more digging I'd like to do:
1. When did XL start flying from NCL? Which year were they at their peak in terms of based units/routes served and how many? Maybe if they operated some routes outside of the norm you could name them?
2. How has TCX's presence changed at NCL since, say 2002?
3. Mytravel, how many based units/routes and which years were they most active? I assume they also plied the more common holiday routes
4. Flyjet, I don't believe they operated that many flights, although NCL was one of their main bases, any info on them?
5. HLX... Which routes did they operate? Over which time period? I'm sure they had a relatively sizeable route map from NCL at one point.
6. Were their any other airlines? Maybe TOM/BY were larger a few years ago, did Onur Air have more presence maybe? Air Portugal and Sata were quite regular I think but I don't really know, this is what I want to find out.
Sorry for the questions, I just want to be able to go through the archives and compile a list of the routes to see what has declined since 2006 and how.
Thank you for any help you may be able to provide
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Durham
Posts: 118
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Many of the EZY dropped routes have/had no direct competition in NCL, they were dropped as they believed they could make more money elsewhere, and that's the bottom line, it's a business and while many of us would prefer a larger EZY base they do still offer a good service all year round. I think you need to look at the timing of the EZY decline also, LS moved in after EZY cut back the based units, they weren't the cause of that, and as far as Murcia goes it was an LS route, their first from NCL in fact, long before EZY tried to muscle in on the route. If EZY had really been committed to growing the NCL base they would not have allowed LS to become such a dominant player in the summer months. It's also worth noting that much of the LS summer traffic has been at the expense of the charter operators, they have more than taken up the slack left by XL and probably curtailed growth by TOM/TCX, by which I mean could have had a 4th based unit from either or both by now if it wasn't for LS. For the record that's not a criticism of LS, they do a good job at what they do, and it's good for the airport and passengers to have a 3rd major player in the holiday market.
From memory, and probably some huge generalisations in this lot. Get hold of some old Air North magazines to get the detail:
FlyJet had one 757 based, didn't operate in their own right but did flights for one of the based operators (like the SmartLynx 320 now) - can't remember who for?
The HLX operation was patchy at best - might have had 4 destinations at their max (HAJ, MUC, CGN, STR?), but low frequency and only for a short period of time with lots of chopping and changing of days/times. HAJ was the only consistent long-term (!) operation
Onur were a bigger factor, operating for the bottom feeding tour operators who haven't survived the harder times - same for XL, but XL concentrated on Greece
Many of the foreign operators mentioned where 'filling' in the schedules of the bigger based operators, similar to how 'W' patterns are used. As the big boys have stabilised their bases, these patterns have dropped
Also, in th elate 90's there was usually a TriStar based over the summer flying to the med - even if they only flew twice a day for 4 days a week, at 300+ seats a time, that soon adds up
FlyJet had one 757 based, didn't operate in their own right but did flights for one of the based operators (like the SmartLynx 320 now) - can't remember who for?
The HLX operation was patchy at best - might have had 4 destinations at their max (HAJ, MUC, CGN, STR?), but low frequency and only for a short period of time with lots of chopping and changing of days/times. HAJ was the only consistent long-term (!) operation
Onur were a bigger factor, operating for the bottom feeding tour operators who haven't survived the harder times - same for XL, but XL concentrated on Greece
Many of the foreign operators mentioned where 'filling' in the schedules of the bigger based operators, similar to how 'W' patterns are used. As the big boys have stabilised their bases, these patterns have dropped
Also, in th elate 90's there was usually a TriStar based over the summer flying to the med - even if they only flew twice a day for 4 days a week, at 300+ seats a time, that soon adds up
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Scotland
Posts: 2,116
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
In answer to EK777WNCL's qustions:
1) Can't remember tbh
2) Add Prague, Rome, Ibiza, Copenhagen
3) Yes, initially only offering Murcia IIRC
TCX - Peak based was 4 x 757-200s (2 TCX, 2 x leased)
MYT - Peak was 2 x 321 I think?
FJE - Only operated for a couple of years, and replaced previous Air Scandic operation
XLA - Peak was 2 x 738, and 1 x 757 (leased from Finnair)
HLX - Stuttgart, Cologne and Munich lasted 1/2 seasons. Hannover last wed a bit longer, operated using 735/73G mainly.
TOM - Biggest presence was 1 x 738, 2 x 757. So a/c base is the same size today but less capacity. They've also had 767-200s based in the past
1) Can't remember tbh
2) Add Prague, Rome, Ibiza, Copenhagen
3) Yes, initially only offering Murcia IIRC
TCX - Peak based was 4 x 757-200s (2 TCX, 2 x leased)
MYT - Peak was 2 x 321 I think?
FJE - Only operated for a couple of years, and replaced previous Air Scandic operation
XLA - Peak was 2 x 738, and 1 x 757 (leased from Finnair)
HLX - Stuttgart, Cologne and Munich lasted 1/2 seasons. Hannover last wed a bit longer, operated using 735/73G mainly.
TOM - Biggest presence was 1 x 738, 2 x 757. So a/c base is the same size today but less capacity. They've also had 767-200s based in the past
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Durham
Posts: 405
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Didn't Braathens (Now SAS) have daily services to Oslo, Stavanger & Bergen operated by Boeing 737
Also Caledonian operated weekly flights to Goa in India during the Winter 95/96 season.
Also Caledonian operated weekly flights to Goa in India during the Winter 95/96 season.
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Scotland
Posts: 2,116
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Braathens for a long time served SVG and OSL on a 6 x weekly basis using initially 732s, then 734s, 735s and 73Gs.
CKT to Goa was on an A320 and was a shared load with GLA. IIRC it operated via Amman and Bahrain (and possibly somewhere in Turkey). During the summer that year, American Trans Air operated a weekly JFK service using 757s
CKT to Goa was on an A320 and was a shared load with GLA. IIRC it operated via Amman and Bahrain (and possibly somewhere in Turkey). During the summer that year, American Trans Air operated a weekly JFK service using 757s
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: London
Posts: 1,907
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Toronto is another lost route which has been operated by Canadian Pacific, Wardair and Air Transat.
New York used to be a weekly seasonal operation by a tour outfit call Jetsave, I don't know who flew it. (at the back of mind I have British Caledonian, but could be wrong.
Milan (Bergamo) and Oslo (Torp) were routes operated by Ryanair.
New York used to be a weekly seasonal operation by a tour outfit call Jetsave, I don't know who flew it. (at the back of mind I have British Caledonian, but could be wrong.
Milan (Bergamo) and Oslo (Torp) were routes operated by Ryanair.
Last edited by Jamesair; 2nd Sep 2014 at 09:41.
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: LV
Posts: 2,296
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Dont recall Canadian Pacific operating out of NCL ? Interesting to see the GLA TS flights maintaining the same schedule 2015 as this year with 5 flights a week to YYZ with no reduction despite Air Canada at EDI. Just shows the demand is there from the North and East, yet NCL has none ?!
Emirates boss urges North East firm to strike out into new export markets - The Journal
Is it just me or is this a bit less positive than the normal Emirates comments?
Is it just me or is this a bit less positive than the normal Emirates comments?
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Tyneside
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Canadian Pacific (CP Air)
CP did indeed operate out of Newcastle. Pics: DC-10 http://flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/3597016785 and DC-8 http://flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/3602851932 Cheers.
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Hartlepool
Posts: 90
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
It is indeed strangely worded...looking for a bit of free advertising maybe?
I think part of the reason is that the growth is not what EK was expecting... personally I think they have been expecting 20% growth year round which hasn't been achieved every month for whatever reason.
Decided to do a bit of digging through the thread at the numbers for this year so far:
Jan – 18351 (+18%)
Feb – 16980 (+21%)
Mar – 18517 (+5%)
Apr – 20211 (+22%)
May – 14382 (+13%)
Jun – 14693 (-7%)
Jul – 18726 (+9%)
It's a very mixed bag - maybe they are looking for some consistency year round and in particular the quiet months? And as the article says, from those calculations its an average 11.5% growth for the first half of 2014.
Looking at Wiki's stats, EK carried 199,025 in 2013, an average of 272 per flight so 63.6% LF... will be interesting to see the overall 2014 figures at the end of the year.
I think part of the reason is that the growth is not what EK was expecting... personally I think they have been expecting 20% growth year round which hasn't been achieved every month for whatever reason.
Decided to do a bit of digging through the thread at the numbers for this year so far:
Jan – 18351 (+18%)
Feb – 16980 (+21%)
Mar – 18517 (+5%)
Apr – 20211 (+22%)
May – 14382 (+13%)
Jun – 14693 (-7%)
Jul – 18726 (+9%)
It's a very mixed bag - maybe they are looking for some consistency year round and in particular the quiet months? And as the article says, from those calculations its an average 11.5% growth for the first half of 2014.
Looking at Wiki's stats, EK carried 199,025 in 2013, an average of 272 per flight so 63.6% LF... will be interesting to see the overall 2014 figures at the end of the year.
CabinCrewe
The regional Canada market is literally a "dying market" as the majority of the business consists of visiting friends and relatives (VFR) traffic.
VFR requires relatives at one end or the other, as as the first generation emigrants die, as the inevitably do, the connections with the "mother" country loosen. When the next generation (those born in Canada) have died, then the following generation often has little or no contact with the relatives on this side of the water.
Edinburgh is a different kettle of fish, as it is an inbound tourism destination in it's own right. Scotland generally had more emigrants to Canada proportionately to the rest of the UK.
I'm afraid the Canada market has had it's day, apart, inevitably, for London, Glasgow and possibly Manchester.
Similar will happen with the Polish market in 50 or so years - if we're still flying by then!!!
Dont recall Canadian Pacific operating out of NCL ? Interesting to see the GLA TS flights maintaining the same schedule 2015 as this year with 5 flights a week to YYZ with no reduction despite Air Canada at EDI. Just shows the demand is there from the North and East, yet NCL has none ?!
VFR requires relatives at one end or the other, as as the first generation emigrants die, as the inevitably do, the connections with the "mother" country loosen. When the next generation (those born in Canada) have died, then the following generation often has little or no contact with the relatives on this side of the water.
Edinburgh is a different kettle of fish, as it is an inbound tourism destination in it's own right. Scotland generally had more emigrants to Canada proportionately to the rest of the UK.
I'm afraid the Canada market has had it's day, apart, inevitably, for London, Glasgow and possibly Manchester.
Similar will happen with the Polish market in 50 or so years - if we're still flying by then!!!
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: NE ENGLAND
Posts: 958
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
New York used to be a weekly seasonal operation by a tour outfit call Jetsave,
CP did indeed operate out of Newcastle.
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire
Posts: 1,154
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Heard that a BA 787 is in tomorrow morning anyone confirm or know why ?