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Have to agree with Gate 22 about BE Reus flt
Operating longer range flights into Europe out of the City has it's problems. If you don't make proper provisions ie. allowing a healthy buffer to allow for slow turnarounds, various ATC issues and any other obstacles Europe presents then you're going to be a resident in Aldergrove more often - like it or not.
If FR gets it's way at the City the anti-noise brigade will have more ammunition than they know what to do with, complaining about noisy 737's keeping them awake at all hours with late flights. Or Aldergrove will have Ryanair flights on a regular basis despite all the negative comments from Mr O'leary.
Operating longer range flights into Europe out of the City has it's problems. If you don't make proper provisions ie. allowing a healthy buffer to allow for slow turnarounds, various ATC issues and any other obstacles Europe presents then you're going to be a resident in Aldergrove more often - like it or not.
If FR gets it's way at the City the anti-noise brigade will have more ammunition than they know what to do with, complaining about noisy 737's keeping them awake at all hours with late flights. Or Aldergrove will have Ryanair flights on a regular basis despite all the negative comments from Mr O'leary.
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If FR gets it's way at the City the anti-noise brigade will have more ammunition than they know what to do with, complaining about noisy 737's keeping them awake
GEORGE Best Belfast City Airport (BCA) has been advised to provide up to 700 homes nearby with sound insulation to reduce the impact of aircraft engine noise, it can be revealed. The direction, which could cost BCA hundreds of thousands of pounds, has .....................................
Could get very expensive if they drop to 57 decibels.
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Interesting to read the usual lot of nonsense being trotted out by the PPRUNE Aldergrove supporters club.
I am not a Ryanair fan BUT in the first instance they are Europes most punctual airline. In the second any airline is more likely to pick up more delays if an aircraft does 6 or 7 seven short sectors per day rather than 3 or 4 long ones.
Scaremongering on the basis of future potential nighttime extensions is patently ridiculous.
Regarding domestic noise mitigation. As BA states there are clear governmental guidelines regarding this issue. Why any airport would act in advance of these in todays commercial environment is beyond me. As far as I know London City is the only airport that has. It operates in a rarified environment of huge (compared to most) PLS charges and the noise insulation was done on the back of an increase in ATM's.
Please can we at least pretend to be semi-educated about this subject and stick to the facts.
I am not a Ryanair fan BUT in the first instance they are Europes most punctual airline. In the second any airline is more likely to pick up more delays if an aircraft does 6 or 7 seven short sectors per day rather than 3 or 4 long ones.
Scaremongering on the basis of future potential nighttime extensions is patently ridiculous.
Regarding domestic noise mitigation. As BA states there are clear governmental guidelines regarding this issue. Why any airport would act in advance of these in todays commercial environment is beyond me. As far as I know London City is the only airport that has. It operates in a rarified environment of huge (compared to most) PLS charges and the noise insulation was done on the back of an increase in ATM's.
Please can we at least pretend to be semi-educated about this subject and stick to the facts.
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Gate 22, yes the outbound BE flt was delayed but made time up enroute and was due back in before 2100L but developed technical issues!!! So in that marvellous yellow brick road of BFS please see that their is a clear market for pax to go on charter flights to bucket and spade destinations in europe from the catchment area!
If not then why are they full?
If not then why are they full?
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So in that marvellous yellow brick road of BFS please see that their is a clear market for pax to go on charter flights to bucket and spade destinations in europe from the catchment area!
If not then why are they full?
If not then why are they full?
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If not then why are they full?
As regardless of my username, I think that BHD can play an important role as a REGIONAL airport. FlyBE is the perfect airline, connecting BHD to the regions, aiming manly at the business market.
I detest Ryanair, and even more so operating at BHD. Within the context of Northern Ireland, especially the two Belfast airports, I really find it very hard to see any great benefit. Already good competition, prices sustainable and reasonable service offered. FR has added nothing to this.
Gate, you'd have to master basic grammar before you could ever sound like me!
Was on RYR BRS-BHD last night. 20.05 flight was called at 19.15, all boarded and away by 19.50, and on the ground in BHD by 20.35......just the forty minutes early!!
Only problem was the fact only 74 pax (overheard dispatch) were on the flight.
Was on RYR BRS-BHD last night. 20.05 flight was called at 19.15, all boarded and away by 19.50, and on the ground in BHD by 20.35......just the forty minutes early!!
Only problem was the fact only 74 pax (overheard dispatch) were on the flight.
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Gate, you'd have to master basic grammar before you could ever sound like me!
I'm no genius. I am just aware of tenses, punctuation and bolleaux.
Anyway, you haven't insulted BHD, LDY, RYR, BMI, BE, runway extension, BMI charters or RE recently. Has the sun gotten to you?!
I'm sure you'll struggle through and get back to top form soon!
Anyway, you haven't insulted BHD, LDY, RYR, BMI, BE, runway extension, BMI charters or RE recently. Has the sun gotten to you?!
I'm sure you'll struggle through and get back to top form soon!
Since 4.30 yesterday????? That's an eternity for some of the Aldergrove chaps. I emphasise some.
It's a shame that there's not a proper acceptance of the fact people enjoy choice.
The idea that one airport in a field near a big lake should dominate aviation in the north of Ireland is redundant. CAA statistics speak for themselves. People like to use BFS. Others like BHD. Others can't be bothered with the 1-3 hour drive to a Belfast airport and use LDY. (Coleraine, Sligo, Letterkenny etc etc)
All three choices are valid, and let's hope the customer offer can be improved at all three, and that some of the narrow-minded, BFS-centric types on here can see that.
If BFS is the bee's gonads as advertised, then BHD and LDY will soon perish. If not, then humble pie will no doubt be gobbled down graciously (by me included!).
It's a shame that there's not a proper acceptance of the fact people enjoy choice.
The idea that one airport in a field near a big lake should dominate aviation in the north of Ireland is redundant. CAA statistics speak for themselves. People like to use BFS. Others like BHD. Others can't be bothered with the 1-3 hour drive to a Belfast airport and use LDY. (Coleraine, Sligo, Letterkenny etc etc)
All three choices are valid, and let's hope the customer offer can be improved at all three, and that some of the narrow-minded, BFS-centric types on here can see that.
If BFS is the bee's gonads as advertised, then BHD and LDY will soon perish. If not, then humble pie will no doubt be gobbled down graciously (by me included!).
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Oooh, there's obviously a bit of history between some members on this site. All mud slinging aside, yes BHD is there to offer choice for certain markets and BFS is definately not the Mutt's Nuts. But if things go the way they seem to be going you're going to have 02 airports with almost the same routes to offer with carriers operating on very thin margins of profit. You will end up with more of this nonsense of bad times for certain routes spread between the 02 airports and routes being pulled because neither carrier can make money on them. Great benefits for the customer not!
As BFS101 has said let BHD stick to what they are good at, being a regional airport for the business and leisure traveller who wants to get in and out of the city fast with no nonsense. BFS can't offer that, so the 02 airports can exist and both do what they do best without undermining each other too much.
That's not 'pro' anything, just common sense.
As BFS101 has said let BHD stick to what they are good at, being a regional airport for the business and leisure traveller who wants to get in and out of the city fast with no nonsense. BFS can't offer that, so the 02 airports can exist and both do what they do best without undermining each other too much.
That's not 'pro' anything, just common sense.
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Going to be busy with BD charters on certain days.
Another A321 is operating on Monday,Friday and Saturday nights on a W pattern departing roughly the same time as the A321 that's based at BFS.
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On Saturday afternoon an extra A319 operating a PMI flight on W pattern from MME shortly after the A319 VRN flight departs.
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On Saturday afternoon an extra A319 operating a PMI flight on W pattern from MME shortly after the A319 VRN flight departs.
BD 7861 Palma 17:50
BD 8941 Las Palmas 17:50
BD 7765 Palma 18:00
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Four operating through Belfast on a Saturday afternoon!!
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for most airlines at BFS their 2nd summer schedule has now kicked in... EZY now has flights going out after 18:00, compared to the last turnaround being a Glasgow at around 18:10..
the EZY BFS-IBZ flight kicks off tonight, as well as a later departing AGP, FAO, STN and maybe 1 or 2 more..
the EZY BFS-IBZ flight kicks off tonight, as well as a later departing AGP, FAO, STN and maybe 1 or 2 more..
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BFS LGW
I fly BFS LGW reasonably frequently and it is interesting how the ground staff only expect an Airbus at LGW by Easyjet!
On Friday morning they took ages to get he stairs lined up on arrival! The cabin crew apologiesed that there was a delay by explaining that the gatwick handlers only are used to Airbus and BFS is a Boeing.
It is interesting that LGW hadnt had a 737 for a long time prior to the winter season when BFS LGW became a 737 operation.
I would imagine that once the first 319 arrives at the BFS base (based 319) it will be on the LGW route?
EI-BUD
On Friday morning they took ages to get he stairs lined up on arrival! The cabin crew apologiesed that there was a delay by explaining that the gatwick handlers only are used to Airbus and BFS is a Boeing.
It is interesting that LGW hadnt had a 737 for a long time prior to the winter season when BFS LGW became a 737 operation.
I would imagine that once the first 319 arrives at the BFS base (based 319) it will be on the LGW route?
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there was some teething issues when BFS-LGW moved over to a 737, delays ranged from 20-30 minutes for around a week which was caused by issues at LGW... ranging from slow offloading/loading (anyone whos been in a hold of an 319 for too long will struggle with a 737 offload), and like you mentioned EI-BUD, steps at the wrong height, which can cause a delay of a few minutes if they are having trouble getting the right height/angle
however i know BFS crews got caught out as well as they expected the LGW flights to be A319s, but fortunately it only takes a few seconds to drop steps down
dont know what EZY's plans are for their first 319, but due to the fuel efficiency of their aircraft compaired to the 737.. they might be tempted to put it on destinations outside of the UK
however i know BFS crews got caught out as well as they expected the LGW flights to be A319s, but fortunately it only takes a few seconds to drop steps down
dont know what EZY's plans are for their first 319, but due to the fuel efficiency of their aircraft compaired to the 737.. they might be tempted to put it on destinations outside of the UK
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Hear hear
BFSKLBD
Absolutely. Too much competition has just brought us rubbish schedules. The downturn has made it even worse.
I am thankful for Aer Lingus though. The hitherto excellent EZY LGW schedule is now so rubbish I am back using LHR. (And thanks to Aer Lingus for Munich too ....)
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Absolutely. Too much competition has just brought us rubbish schedules. The downturn has made it even worse.
I am thankful for Aer Lingus though. The hitherto excellent EZY LGW schedule is now so rubbish I am back using LHR. (And thanks to Aer Lingus for Munich too ....)
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Competition is great, as it lowers fares and gives more choice. However, too much competition on thin routes drives one airline out with low fares, then makes the public too used to these low fares, and makes the route unsustainable for the remaining airline(s). London and some UK routes ex Belfast can handle the competition, but multiple airlines going against each other on routes like CDG etc, is silly
BFSKLBD. Perhaps a quick search of the posts by myself and Gate 22 over the years will give you a feel for our respective thoughts on airports/airlines in NI. Essentially BFS, EI, LS, EZY, WW, CO are ALL amazing. BHD, LDY, RE, FR, BD, BE, etc etc are crap. The exception being, any of RE, FR, BD, BE who see "sense" and move to BFS to set up a base.
I (perhaps a utopian view) would like to see all three prosper (might encourage BFS, most used in NI, to get its act together). However.....
Rather than point out delayed/diverted flights, copying/pasting flight arrivals/departures from websites/generally being completely negative/destructive, I have generally been supportive of NI aviation (and I mean generally). However, SOME of the BFS brigade have been on here bitching and moaning about the runway extension at BHD, how the inevitable demise of LDY would lead to RYR at BFS and so on and so on and so on.
Almost 35% of NI's population lives in the greater Belfast area.....making BHD a very useful resource it could be argued........
Unfortunately, my initial interest in LDY on here was quickly polluted by a few of the BFS lot making snide and pointless comments about something few had knowledge of, which in turn led me to becoming increasingly p&ssed off.
Anyway, for Gate 22's benefit...."Ive saw the l'ight" and am off back to the Derry thread from whence I came, and shall not again soil the BFS thread. I'm sure he/(hahahaha maybe even she!!) has the ability to soil it for all of us!
I (perhaps a utopian view) would like to see all three prosper (might encourage BFS, most used in NI, to get its act together). However.....
Rather than point out delayed/diverted flights, copying/pasting flight arrivals/departures from websites/generally being completely negative/destructive, I have generally been supportive of NI aviation (and I mean generally). However, SOME of the BFS brigade have been on here bitching and moaning about the runway extension at BHD, how the inevitable demise of LDY would lead to RYR at BFS and so on and so on and so on.
Almost 35% of NI's population lives in the greater Belfast area.....making BHD a very useful resource it could be argued........
Unfortunately, my initial interest in LDY on here was quickly polluted by a few of the BFS lot making snide and pointless comments about something few had knowledge of, which in turn led me to becoming increasingly p&ssed off.
Anyway, for Gate 22's benefit...."Ive saw the l'ight" and am off back to the Derry thread from whence I came, and shall not again soil the BFS thread. I'm sure he/(hahahaha maybe even she!!) has the ability to soil it for all of us!