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A steady month on month increase is all we are looking for, the route is profitable and remember bmibaby is virtually unknown in STN.
bmibaby also had to over come an understandable scepticism (deserved) from the good folk of NI following their dismal record of cancellations on the BFS route, what people are finding is that whilst the interior of the 737 might not be as posh as the revamped Airbus of mainline the quality of staff in the cabin is every bit as good, add the fact that most people are out of the terminal at STN whilst the LHR service is still flying around the Bovingdon hold and you can see why there is steady month on month growth.
The next challenge is AMS
bmibaby also had to over come an understandable scepticism (deserved) from the good folk of NI following their dismal record of cancellations on the BFS route, what people are finding is that whilst the interior of the 737 might not be as posh as the revamped Airbus of mainline the quality of staff in the cabin is every bit as good, add the fact that most people are out of the terminal at STN whilst the LHR service is still flying around the Bovingdon hold and you can see why there is steady month on month growth.
The next challenge is AMS
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Inkjet, a couple of questions if I may.
1. You have stated that the WW Stn route is profitable. When did this come to be? 33 pax pm, 48 pax pm?
2. If this route is doing so well, why has it been cut to 2 daily?
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1. You have stated that the WW Stn route is profitable. When did this come to be? 33 pax pm, 48 pax pm?
2. If this route is doing so well, why has it been cut to 2 daily?
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Depends on landing fee deals and ticket prices, but I can't see how they are making money on the route with those PAX numbers and the fuel burn of their 737's which are reasonably old... Unless they are getting a deal on fee's and/or a subsidy...but then again a claim was made last year that some WW routes had doubled loads since moving to BHD, even though stats showed a better performance but nowhere near double
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The ticket prices on this route tend to be very low, most of the Stansted to Belfast morning flights are still £14.99 and £26.99 including taxes and APD, even for flights in only a few weeks time. I cant imagine many people have hold luggage on this flight, buy insurance or rent a car compared to bucket and spade routes. So overall it cant be making much money at all IMO.
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then again a claim was made last year that some WW routes had doubled loads since moving to BHD, even though stats showed a better performance but nowhere near double
I reckon EMA is doing well as this is a new market for BE and WW is well known in EMA.
BHX numbers from Belfast overall are up in JUly 2011 v 2010.
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bmibaby BHD STN this morning
Does anybody know why WW didnt have a flight scheduled on BHD STN This morning, (well according to the website there was no flight) being a Monday I would have expected the early flight to be of high importance and hence flying to serve needs of business traveller and communter?
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Don't know that it would have to fuel stop on that route but thought it was common knowledge that the MAN was binned when easyjet announced they were launching it. I believe that their grand development plans at City are to be toned down also.
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a new owner may mean new contracts with airports which may mean if BMI and baby get a good offer from belfast intl we may see a very busy airport. i know that is a long shot but would be great if it happened
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If Lufthansa get rid of BMI as a whole...would Baby be able to survive without a "white knight"? If one were to come over the horizon who would it be?
Frankly it could be terminal (as much as the return to BFS would be welcome).
Frankly it could be terminal (as much as the return to BFS would be welcome).
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bmi and future of bhd-lhr route
Supposing Bmi is sold, I sense this will happen at some point in the near term.
One way or the other unless it lives on as bmi, there has to be a big question mark over Bhd LHR route. If BA took over it would be in the bin same as JER, IOM INV etc
Given past losses and a strong working relationship with EI I just couldnt see BA coming onto the route. Furthermore, whether the route is profitable or not there are probably a lot of other markets BA would go after rather than a domestic route...
May present a good opportunity for EI at some stage......
One way or the other unless it lives on as bmi, there has to be a big question mark over Bhd LHR route. If BA took over it would be in the bin same as JER, IOM INV etc
Given past losses and a strong working relationship with EI I just couldnt see BA coming onto the route. Furthermore, whether the route is profitable or not there are probably a lot of other markets BA would go after rather than a domestic route...
May present a good opportunity for EI at some stage......
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BA would not consider it - after all they are doing very well on the EI BFS-LHR codeshare and will surely look to capitalise on this given any reduction in the bmi BHD schedule?
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Cant see BA coming onto route - surely they are happy enough with the codeshare arrangements on EI BFS - LHR, if anything maybe EI/ BA will look to strengthen their position at BFS?
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No matter who takes over bmi I would think the BHD LHR route would be one of the last ones to change if at all. It is a good, profitable route, though it was a lot better in the past. My worry would be that if someone doesn't do something soon that it will continue to deteriorate and it will be too late and too expensive to save.
I don't believe the baby european expansion plans will come to pass. There will be serious financial constraints put in place to ensure the losses don't increase and make the planned sale even less attractive, launching new routes is very expensive. It's going to be hard enough to find a buyer with losses equating to £38 per pax.
How did irishannie submit two posts both numbered 3?
I don't believe the baby european expansion plans will come to pass. There will be serious financial constraints put in place to ensure the losses don't increase and make the planned sale even less attractive, launching new routes is very expensive. It's going to be hard enough to find a buyer with losses equating to £38 per pax.
How did irishannie submit two posts both numbered 3?
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I think if BA do buy BMI due to their agreement with EI and BFS management desperate to get new airlines in due to their recent refurbishments I think there is a good chance that whatever routes are kept they will all move to BFS and as for the heathrow route I think EI would just increase freq. Just a thought, and would be nice to see BA up at the international again
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Have to say that Lufthansa's clear frustration with the whole bmi adventure doesn't appear to bode well for any Baby development plans.
The bmibaby track record over the past number of years could hardly be described as steadfast and consistent - Teesside, Cardiff, Manchester... the only place they appear to have persevered with is EMA, and that is only because of the long term British Midland link to that area going back to Derby Airways.
On that basis, with LH looking to exit, any Baby development plans for next summer - even those already set out - look like they are on distant horizon.
The bmibaby track record over the past number of years could hardly be described as steadfast and consistent - Teesside, Cardiff, Manchester... the only place they appear to have persevered with is EMA, and that is only because of the long term British Midland link to that area going back to Derby Airways.
On that basis, with LH looking to exit, any Baby development plans for next summer - even those already set out - look like they are on distant horizon.
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The entire bmi group is not a basket case, but if Lufthansa don't act quickly it will be and there will be nothing of interest to any other airline.
The loss making parts of the operation need to be shut down now to give the parts of the operation that do generate income a longer timescale to find a new owner. Continuing to support baby and it's desire to play in the same league as the big boys will only drag everyone under and that is the last thing any of us need at the minute.
The loss making parts of the operation need to be shut down now to give the parts of the operation that do generate income a longer timescale to find a new owner. Continuing to support baby and it's desire to play in the same league as the big boys will only drag everyone under and that is the last thing any of us need at the minute.