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It was RWY03 in use all day at Lanzarote on Thursday which has an ILS.
RWY21 however only has a VOR approach which can lead to disruption. Unsure why after dark though, given if visibility is reasonable there is not a problem
RWY21 however only has a VOR approach which can lead to disruption. Unsure why after dark though, given if visibility is reasonable there is not a problem
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RWY21 has very high terrain on the approach and a steep approach angle. RYR aircraft are allowed to fly that approach in daytime VMC only, and the captain must fly the approach. We have five or six pages of briefing from the company on how to fly it, all using raw data ie no LNAV or VNAV. I have not flown into 21 yet but I am flying in there tomorrow and the TAF looks like a westerly wind so we will see.
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Cork Lanzarote.
Any airport that has only a non - precision approach to one of it's runways is deficent.
To give Lanz. it's credit, the prevailing wind is north - easterly, and they have an ILS on runway 03.
The problem is when winds are southerly, as they have been for a while.
Staight - in VOR approaches are not authorised to runway 21, so crews must do visual approaches, which are banned by night.
Sunset is 5.57pm approx at this time of the year.
A recent EI flight to Lanz. , scheduled to arrive down there about an hour before sunset, had to divert en - route with a medical emergency.
It did'nt therefore get to Lanz. before dark.
Can you see now how airport deficencies adversely impact flight operations?
Lanzarote is a deficent airport.
One way of solving this is extending the runway southwards, then displacing the threshold of rwy 21 by the amount of the runway extension, or more, thus allowing an ILS be installed on rwy 21.(the terrain close to the present threshold precludes such instllment at the moment, - but - with a displaced threshold, you cleverly "move" the start of the runway away from the terrain!)
A similar displacement of threshold, and a runway extension of rwy 25 in Cork, would allow the installation of an ILS on 25, thus reducing the diversion rate due excessive crosswinds on 17/35.
At the moment, the terrain on approach to 25 EICK is too close to the approach.
So, lots of food for thought, eh, folks ?
Any airport that has only a non - precision approach to one of it's runways is deficent.
To give Lanz. it's credit, the prevailing wind is north - easterly, and they have an ILS on runway 03.
The problem is when winds are southerly, as they have been for a while.
Staight - in VOR approaches are not authorised to runway 21, so crews must do visual approaches, which are banned by night.
Sunset is 5.57pm approx at this time of the year.
A recent EI flight to Lanz. , scheduled to arrive down there about an hour before sunset, had to divert en - route with a medical emergency.
It did'nt therefore get to Lanz. before dark.
Can you see now how airport deficencies adversely impact flight operations?
Lanzarote is a deficent airport.
One way of solving this is extending the runway southwards, then displacing the threshold of rwy 21 by the amount of the runway extension, or more, thus allowing an ILS be installed on rwy 21.(the terrain close to the present threshold precludes such instllment at the moment, - but - with a displaced threshold, you cleverly "move" the start of the runway away from the terrain!)
A similar displacement of threshold, and a runway extension of rwy 25 in Cork, would allow the installation of an ILS on 25, thus reducing the diversion rate due excessive crosswinds on 17/35.
At the moment, the terrain on approach to 25 EICK is too close to the approach.
So, lots of food for thought, eh, folks ?
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Dublin probably made sense for AC since they do operate there in summer so there is some corporate familiarity plus they could move ppl onto BD flights if necessary. Sadly BD doesn't do ORK-LHR or there might be a bit more choice on ORK-YYZ year round 
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Just to clear up a few incorrect posts here about the Cork ACE flight on the 16th. I was on this flight... We were diverted to Porto and were there exactly 2 hours while they waited for a new flight plan and fuel. The fuel truck took about 1.5 hours to come.
We then left for ACE and as we were making our approach the captain came on and said the winds were too high at the moment and we had enough fuel to hold for 18 minutes. If we could not land then we would have to go to Fuertaventura.
We landed in Fuertaventuea and got a text from Aer Lingus immediately saying we would be put up in a hotel and leave for ACE at 11 am the next day. We were taken to a good hotel and picked up after breakfast the next day and flew over to Lanzarote.
There were no go arounds or other dramatics that were mentioned earlier. It was handled very well. The only thing I was curious about is other flights seemed to land in ACE that night...
We then left for ACE and as we were making our approach the captain came on and said the winds were too high at the moment and we had enough fuel to hold for 18 minutes. If we could not land then we would have to go to Fuertaventura.
We landed in Fuertaventuea and got a text from Aer Lingus immediately saying we would be put up in a hotel and leave for ACE at 11 am the next day. We were taken to a good hotel and picked up after breakfast the next day and flew over to Lanzarote.
There were no go arounds or other dramatics that were mentioned earlier. It was handled very well. The only thing I was curious about is other flights seemed to land in ACE that night...
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What a sight
about 5 FR planes & 5 EI planes from Dublin at Cork tonight most parked up on 07/25 or at Area A Cargo ramp. But best of all was a Lufthansa flight (diverted from BHX - originally destined for DUB) from Frankfurt a stunning A321 on the old terminal ramp tonight!. Also about the ACE diversions, this is blown way out of pre-portion we even have a new forum member that decided to think he was on the flight 
it had 2 go-arounds at ACE before landing & over-nighting in FUE . May that be case closed!
it had 2 go-arounds at ACE before landing & over-nighting in FUE . May that be case closed!
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Kavs,I have a feeling your still in school and you seem to think that you work full time in the airport,your opinions sound like a young chap who just heres news from various people and not from first hand experience??In fairness you do have useful info but your not right all the time which you seem to think you are....Maybe that chap is right if that happened who knows but your right put it to bed.
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LH Diversion
A bit of History this evening as Lufthansa used Cork as an alternate for the 1st time. They would have saved themselves a lot of bother by diverting earlier instead of landing in the U.K.
Many overseas airlines don't seem to realise that Cork is perfectly capable of handling diversions particularly since the opening of the new terminal and the even more new motorway to Dublin. Also Congratulations to the staff at both Aerlingus and Servisair and the OCC all of whom did a marvellous job in handling the unprecedented influx of diversions.
Many overseas airlines don't seem to realise that Cork is perfectly capable of handling diversions particularly since the opening of the new terminal and the even more new motorway to Dublin. Also Congratulations to the staff at both Aerlingus and Servisair and the OCC all of whom did a marvellous job in handling the unprecedented influx of diversions.
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Yes, at last a day to be proud of for Cork Airport and I have also heard that some good numbers of the diverted pax from today and yesterday have been remarking favourably about Cork's new terminal some saying they did not think that Cork Airport could be such a good port of entry!
Well, the Celtic Tiger has maybe brought some good to Cork Airport in the years ahead.
Hope the crowd above at the airport have been kind to the Lufthansa crew. A two or three a week LH from Frankfurt would be just the shot in the arm that Cork needs right now. They even have the right kind of aeroplane for the job in the shape of 737-500, 737-300 or A319. Come on, it is a no brainer?
Yes, well done to each and everyone that brought about such a smooth operation at Cork Airport today. Bualadh bos!
Well, the Celtic Tiger has maybe brought some good to Cork Airport in the years ahead.
Hope the crowd above at the airport have been kind to the Lufthansa crew. A two or three a week LH from Frankfurt would be just the shot in the arm that Cork needs right now. They even have the right kind of aeroplane for the job in the shape of 737-500, 737-300 or A319. Come on, it is a no brainer?
Yes, well done to each and everyone that brought about such a smooth operation at Cork Airport today. Bualadh bos!
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Kavs8 - I can assure you I was on the flight. I was sitting in 8E and the passanger who needed assistance was about 5 rows behind me. Why would I make up being on the flight!
I'm not a pilot so maybe they were "go arounds" but we never got anywhere near the ground and the captain came on and told us we could not attempt to land and had enough fuel to hold for 18 minutes which we did. As I said I'm not a pilot and maybe they are classed as go arounds if you descend a certain amount. Apologies if I'm incorrect with this.
We got to Fuertaventura and got a double decker bus to the Elba Sara hotel (about 10 minutes from the airport). We got there at around 10.30 and I just made it to McDonalds across the road before it closed at 11pm.
I'm not a pilot so maybe they were "go arounds" but we never got anywhere near the ground and the captain came on and told us we could not attempt to land and had enough fuel to hold for 18 minutes which we did. As I said I'm not a pilot and maybe they are classed as go arounds if you descend a certain amount. Apologies if I'm incorrect with this.
We got to Fuertaventura and got a double decker bus to the Elba Sara hotel (about 10 minutes from the airport). We got there at around 10.30 and I just made it to McDonalds across the road before it closed at 11pm.
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The reality is that Lufthansa has no interest in Cork. Even during the boom the only expansion carried out by them was at Dublin. If Cork wants a Frankfurt service it has a far better chance of persuading Aerlingus to operate it. The likes of Lufthansa and
SAS see Cork as just a dot on the map.
SAS see Cork as just a dot on the map.