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Kavs8- ref to the link to the article on the success of Manx2 on new Cork Services to BHD etc
I personally will judge the success of this route based on the CAA stats and of course as you mention the load factors, however, after a few consecutive months of success. Why do I say this? The company that I work for were probably one of the biggest users of BHD ORK & ORK BHD with Aer Arann and since Manx2 have used the service alot less.
The reasons being that firstly on a Metroliner for the distance it is too cramped and anyone who is remotely uncomfortable flying doesnt like the confined space and this heightens their fears. Secondly, we did day trip to ORK on the metroliner out on 0750 and back up on on 1740 or should I say were meant to be on 1740 except that the flight was cancelled.
The aircraft arrived 1hr 15 mins late and when onboard (evening) pilot who was doing the pre departure announcement advised that they had technical problems with plane. (The same plane EC-GPS).
After sitting for almost 25mins watching the pilots trying to get the engines going (by this stage we all were most adament that we wanted to get off) we were told that we must go to the terminal and wait until it is sorted. When we got to the terminal we were advised that the flight was cancelled until the next morning. The next morning the LET410 did not arrive until10am which was due to leave at 0920. We missed our meeting in Belfast that was scheduled for 0930 that was a follow on from the previous days meetings in Cork. We had no change of clothes as we didnt expect to stay over night etc etc.
The running joke was in the office among the guys who flew the service before was that the 'spitfire' broke down and we missed our meeting.
We drive now. Sad for Manx2. But I think they are a good little company otherwise and do fill a niche, but they need to look at the aircraft being used. Let410 in my view alot more suitable than Metroliner, due to sense of space inside, although I feel that they need to aspire to having something like SF3 or Atr42 or even a Shorts 360 (one of my old favourites).
On a separate note, we boarded that morning at 0730 to fly to Cork and the same pilots arrived back in Cork that night at 7pm so if the aircraft had taken off it would have arrived BHD around 820 so the pilots would have been on duty since at least 7am, for those in the know is this acceptable (maybe they had most of the day off?) or perhaps they are working under Spain's rules on flying hours which I am unsure of.
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I personally will judge the success of this route based on the CAA stats and of course as you mention the load factors, however, after a few consecutive months of success. Why do I say this? The company that I work for were probably one of the biggest users of BHD ORK & ORK BHD with Aer Arann and since Manx2 have used the service alot less.
The reasons being that firstly on a Metroliner for the distance it is too cramped and anyone who is remotely uncomfortable flying doesnt like the confined space and this heightens their fears. Secondly, we did day trip to ORK on the metroliner out on 0750 and back up on on 1740 or should I say were meant to be on 1740 except that the flight was cancelled.
The aircraft arrived 1hr 15 mins late and when onboard (evening) pilot who was doing the pre departure announcement advised that they had technical problems with plane. (The same plane EC-GPS).
After sitting for almost 25mins watching the pilots trying to get the engines going (by this stage we all were most adament that we wanted to get off) we were told that we must go to the terminal and wait until it is sorted. When we got to the terminal we were advised that the flight was cancelled until the next morning. The next morning the LET410 did not arrive until10am which was due to leave at 0920. We missed our meeting in Belfast that was scheduled for 0930 that was a follow on from the previous days meetings in Cork. We had no change of clothes as we didnt expect to stay over night etc etc.
The running joke was in the office among the guys who flew the service before was that the 'spitfire' broke down and we missed our meeting.
We drive now. Sad for Manx2. But I think they are a good little company otherwise and do fill a niche, but they need to look at the aircraft being used. Let410 in my view alot more suitable than Metroliner, due to sense of space inside, although I feel that they need to aspire to having something like SF3 or Atr42 or even a Shorts 360 (one of my old favourites).
On a separate note, we boarded that morning at 0730 to fly to Cork and the same pilots arrived back in Cork that night at 7pm so if the aircraft had taken off it would have arrived BHD around 820 so the pilots would have been on duty since at least 7am, for those in the know is this acceptable (maybe they had most of the day off?) or perhaps they are working under Spain's rules on flying hours which I am unsure of.
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Press releases
I'm always sceptical about upbeat press releases stating that a route is doing fantastic. Some years ago we had regular stories about
how well Jet Magic were doing. Then we read that the Cork New York Charters were
doing exceedingly well. Then suddenly the flights were pulled.
how well Jet Magic were doing. Then we read that the Cork New York Charters were
doing exceedingly well. Then suddenly the flights were pulled.
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Aer Lingus Regional Summer 2011
BHX - 2 daily except 1 on Sat
BRS - daily
EDI - daily
GLA - daily (GLA - SNN will be operated by ORK a/c)
JER - operating but not on sale yet
MAN - 2 daily
BRS - daily
EDI - daily
GLA - daily (GLA - SNN will be operated by ORK a/c)
JER - operating but not on sale yet
MAN - 2 daily
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Ryan2000,
It was expected to but i think this is now highley unlikely as GLA-SNN is now operated by an ORK a/c but it could well return as JER will be operating and is yet to be popped into the EI system. I hate they way airlines operate these days like why make a fool out of kevin on 96fm when they new (99% likely) it wouldnt return!!
It was expected to but i think this is now highley unlikely as GLA-SNN is now operated by an ORK a/c but it could well return as JER will be operating and is yet to be popped into the EI system. I hate they way airlines operate these days like why make a fool out of kevin on 96fm when they new (99% likely) it wouldnt return!!
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Well, as for Cardiff, there is a story about that Manx showed an interest in trying ORK-CWL once RE/EI pulled off the route but that they were somehow refused. That is the story, anyway. Baffling, if true.
Hmm!
Hmm!
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I think we will know more about if Manx2 will take up the ORK route in Decemeber when the 4 year VLY contract is up for grabs. If they take it there will be a greater chance of them operating CWL-ORK.
CWL-VLY-CWL-ORK-CWL-VLY-CWL-VLY-CWL-ORK would be ideal.
CWL-VLY-CWL-ORK-CWL-VLY-CWL-VLY-CWL-ORK would be ideal.
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AER LINGUS TIMETABLE CORK - SUMMER 11.
A/C 1 - A320:
EI710 DEP ORK 07:15 ARR LHR 08:45 MTWTFSS
EI711 DEP LHR 09:30 ARR ORK 10:50 MTWTFSS
EI712 DEP ORK 11:45 ARR LHR 13:05 MTWTFSS
EI715 DEP LHR 14:00 ARR ORK 15:20 MTWTFSS
EI722 DEP ORK 15:55 ARR LHR 17:15 MTWTFSS
EI723 DEP LHR 18:15 ARR ORK 19:40 MTWTFSS
EI724 DEP ORK 20:15 ARR LHR 21:35 MTWTFSS
EI725 DEP LHR 22:15 ARR ORK 23:30 MTWTFSS
A/C 2 - A320:
EI840 DEP ORK 06:10 ARR AMS 08:55 MTWTFSS
EI841 DEP AMS 09:35 ARR ORK 10:20 MTWTFSS
EI868 DEP ORK 11:00 ARR BCN 14:15 M-W-F-S
EI869 DEP BCN 14:55 ARR ORK 16:25 M-W-F-S
EI836 DEP ORK 11:10 ARR MUC 14:35 -T-T-S-
EI837 DEP MUC 15:15 ARR ORK 16:50 -T-T-S-
EI898 DEP ORK 16:50 ARR FAO 19:20 -----S- **
EI899 DEP FAO 20:00 ARR ORK 22:40 -----S- **
EI844 DEP ORK 17:10 ARR AMS 19:55 MTWTF-S **
EI845 DEP AMS 20:40 ARR ORK 21:25 MTWTF-S **
**(Will be changed if MUC stays as scheduled above due to turnaround time)
A/C 3 - A320:
It Seems CDG times will be changed so that on -T-T-S- the 3 a/c will go ORK-CDG-SNN-CDG-ORK and will then operate ORK-NCE and on Thursdays a free slot.
EI896 DEP ORK 06:40 ARR FAO 09:10 M-W-F-S
EI897 DEP FAO 09:50 ARR ORK 12:30 M-W-F-S
EI822 DEP ORK 13:10 ARR CDG 15:50 MTWTFSS
EI823 DEP CDG 16:30 ARR ORK 17:15 MTWTFSS
EI824 DEP ORK 17:30 ARR NCE 20:55 -T---S- **
EI825 DEP NCE 21:40 ARR ORK 23:15 -T---S- **
EI890 DEP ORK 18:00 ARR LIS 20:20 M---F--
EI891 DEP LIS 21:00 ARR ORK 23:20 M---F--
EI856 DEP ORK 18:00 ARR ALC 21:40 --W---S
EI857 DEP ALC 22:20 ARR ORK 23:59 --W---S
EIXXX DEP ORK XX:XX ARR XXX XX:XX ---T--- (FREE SLOT)
EIXXX DEP XXX XX:XX ARR ORK XX:XX ---T--- (FREE SLOT)
**(Will be changed if CDG stays as scheduled above due to turnaround time)
A/C 4 - A320:
EI882 DEP ORK 07:00 ARR AGP 10:45 MTWTFSS
EI883 DEP AGP 11:25 ARR ORK 13:15 MTWTFSS
EI874 DEP ORK 14:00 ARR TFS 18:15 --W---S
EI875 DEP TFS 19:15 ARR ORK 23:20 --W---S
EI876 DEP ORK 14:15 ARR ACE 18:10 -T-T-S-
EI877 DEP ACE 19:10 ARR ORK 23:05 -T-T-S-
EI802 DEP ORK 15:45 ARR FCO 19:40 M---F--
EI803 DEP FCO 20:30 ARR ORK 22:45 M---F--
A/C 1 - A320:
EI710 DEP ORK 07:15 ARR LHR 08:45 MTWTFSS
EI711 DEP LHR 09:30 ARR ORK 10:50 MTWTFSS
EI712 DEP ORK 11:45 ARR LHR 13:05 MTWTFSS
EI715 DEP LHR 14:00 ARR ORK 15:20 MTWTFSS
EI722 DEP ORK 15:55 ARR LHR 17:15 MTWTFSS
EI723 DEP LHR 18:15 ARR ORK 19:40 MTWTFSS
EI724 DEP ORK 20:15 ARR LHR 21:35 MTWTFSS
EI725 DEP LHR 22:15 ARR ORK 23:30 MTWTFSS
A/C 2 - A320:
EI840 DEP ORK 06:10 ARR AMS 08:55 MTWTFSS
EI841 DEP AMS 09:35 ARR ORK 10:20 MTWTFSS
EI868 DEP ORK 11:00 ARR BCN 14:15 M-W-F-S
EI869 DEP BCN 14:55 ARR ORK 16:25 M-W-F-S
EI836 DEP ORK 11:10 ARR MUC 14:35 -T-T-S-
EI837 DEP MUC 15:15 ARR ORK 16:50 -T-T-S-
EI898 DEP ORK 16:50 ARR FAO 19:20 -----S- **
EI899 DEP FAO 20:00 ARR ORK 22:40 -----S- **
EI844 DEP ORK 17:10 ARR AMS 19:55 MTWTF-S **
EI845 DEP AMS 20:40 ARR ORK 21:25 MTWTF-S **
**(Will be changed if MUC stays as scheduled above due to turnaround time)
A/C 3 - A320:
It Seems CDG times will be changed so that on -T-T-S- the 3 a/c will go ORK-CDG-SNN-CDG-ORK and will then operate ORK-NCE and on Thursdays a free slot.
EI896 DEP ORK 06:40 ARR FAO 09:10 M-W-F-S
EI897 DEP FAO 09:50 ARR ORK 12:30 M-W-F-S
EI822 DEP ORK 13:10 ARR CDG 15:50 MTWTFSS
EI823 DEP CDG 16:30 ARR ORK 17:15 MTWTFSS
EI824 DEP ORK 17:30 ARR NCE 20:55 -T---S- **
EI825 DEP NCE 21:40 ARR ORK 23:15 -T---S- **
EI890 DEP ORK 18:00 ARR LIS 20:20 M---F--
EI891 DEP LIS 21:00 ARR ORK 23:20 M---F--
EI856 DEP ORK 18:00 ARR ALC 21:40 --W---S
EI857 DEP ALC 22:20 ARR ORK 23:59 --W---S
EIXXX DEP ORK XX:XX ARR XXX XX:XX ---T--- (FREE SLOT)
EIXXX DEP XXX XX:XX ARR ORK XX:XX ---T--- (FREE SLOT)
**(Will be changed if CDG stays as scheduled above due to turnaround time)
A/C 4 - A320:
EI882 DEP ORK 07:00 ARR AGP 10:45 MTWTFSS
EI883 DEP AGP 11:25 ARR ORK 13:15 MTWTFSS
EI874 DEP ORK 14:00 ARR TFS 18:15 --W---S
EI875 DEP TFS 19:15 ARR ORK 23:20 --W---S
EI876 DEP ORK 14:15 ARR ACE 18:10 -T-T-S-
EI877 DEP ACE 19:10 ARR ORK 23:05 -T-T-S-
EI802 DEP ORK 15:45 ARR FCO 19:40 M---F--
EI803 DEP FCO 20:30 ARR ORK 22:45 M---F--
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EI changes
So the extensive changes to Cork's time table was all about avoiding using a Dublin based plane on SNN CDG. Time will tell if going head to head with Ryanair on Shannon Paris justifies reducing frequency on the high yielding Cork Nice and Cork Alicante routes.
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I look at it like this; "loan" the aircraft and crew to SNN three days a week helps keep four aircraft and crew at ORK. Keeps the guys and gals on the hill in jobs and this can only be a good thing. I know DUB/SNN crews fairly regularly operate out of ORK, so this may be a way of rotating SNN crews more efficiently onto ORK routes.
Who knows maybe one day we could "borrow" an A330 from SNN
Who knows maybe one day we could "borrow" an A330 from SNN
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EI A330 scheduled for Cork ha ha
That'll be the day Brian.
Incidentally the turning circle at Cork was widened some years ago. Does Aerlingus still have the ban on 330's using Cork ? Not a problem for Monarch, Air Luxor, My travel among others. A very senior Aerlingus captain now retired told me he couldn't understand what all the fuss was about. Sounds like a minor adjustment is needed if any. Could the Cork Airport Authority look into this as you never know when it might be needed? Maybe a Munster Rugby charter. It'd be a lot cheaper than positioning an aircraft from the UK or the Continent.
Incidentally the turning circle at Cork was widened some years ago. Does Aerlingus still have the ban on 330's using Cork ? Not a problem for Monarch, Air Luxor, My travel among others. A very senior Aerlingus captain now retired told me he couldn't understand what all the fuss was about. Sounds like a minor adjustment is needed if any. Could the Cork Airport Authority look into this as you never know when it might be needed? Maybe a Munster Rugby charter. It'd be a lot cheaper than positioning an aircraft from the UK or the Continent.
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It was said tongue in cheek, tbh. Although it would be great to see, I don't think now is the time. We would be lucky to see a 757 service to Majorca these days, let alone NY or Boston!
That said I dont think the 757 has been seen that often in Cork? Much more 737/A320 with a few A321 thrown in, IIRC.
That said I dont think the 757 has been seen that often in Cork? Much more 737/A320 with a few A321 thrown in, IIRC.
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Ryan2000: and mytravel, air Luxor (both defunct) and Monarch all operate regular A330 flights? 
Would not be a problem for the odd time, however regular operation would have a depreciative effect. Also only taxyway A is suitable for an A330, meaning a backtrack is required for 35. Yes the note still appears on the flightplans saying A330 banned. Perhaps I'll ask someday soon what the motivation is...
Would not be a problem for the odd time, however regular operation would have a depreciative effect. Also only taxyway A is suitable for an A330, meaning a backtrack is required for 35. Yes the note still appears on the flightplans saying A330 banned. Perhaps I'll ask someday soon what the motivation is...
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Corks famous turning circle and the A330.
Thanks five juilliet. Aerlingus did operate on s small number of flights from Cork in the early 90's before the ban was imposed. It's obviously just a small problem that needs to be put right. Might be in Cork'ms interest as there's probably more of them likely to end up
on the Charter scene in the years ahead. Presumably Aerlingus are not the only airline that have will make an issue out of Cork's turnng circle. To be fair it's shape is more like a hammer head than a turning circle as a result of another penny pinching excercise by Aer Rianta in the late 1980's.
on the Charter scene in the years ahead. Presumably Aerlingus are not the only airline that have will make an issue out of Cork's turnng circle. To be fair it's shape is more like a hammer head than a turning circle as a result of another penny pinching excercise by Aer Rianta in the late 1980's.