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atrpilot.. I think your information is probably wrong, I'm one of the ones that work at liverpool & I can tell you that no-one has left, that I know of, to go to ryanair.. I know of one to Astraeus, one to Dragonair, and at least 3 going to other EZY bases for there promotions, oh & 3 SFO's going to the B777 at B.A. I couldn't really see any flightcrew going to ryanair as it really is no different, in flying terms, than EZY.. Remember, the future's bright, the future's orange! 
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I hear EZY have lost 15% of the pilot group since January 2005!!!!
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pilot dissatisfaction
seems like all this pilot dissatisfaction and defection would cause pilots to look elsewhere for a living or career. Anyone believe the small jets are viable air taxis?
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He Drotchin,
Funny I just replied a similar question of you under a divert topic. But you are apsolutely right. There is a (good) living to be made in biz-jets. With a nice livestyle and some time off as well to see friends (or at least those that are left after 6 years of flying) and do all those nice things that the rest of the world does on there weekend.
Looking forward to all that.
Funny I just replied a similar question of you under a divert topic. But you are apsolutely right. There is a (good) living to be made in biz-jets. With a nice livestyle and some time off as well to see friends (or at least those that are left after 6 years of flying) and do all those nice things that the rest of the world does on there weekend.
Looking forward to all that.
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Prop paul is also wrong. LPL has lost two captains and an SFO to Ryanair. Definitely more to follow - Ill be counting the EZY crew at the Ryanair roadshow at JLA in the near future!
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I left Easy 3 years ago and the same complaints about the same problems are still being aired,i thought things had moved on?
Staff travel,6on/3off,intimidation from management towards crew,low morale,no seniority list for protection of rights!
I am sooo glad i'm out of it,the grass IS definately greener......
Staff travel,6on/3off,intimidation from management towards crew,low morale,no seniority list for protection of rights!
I am sooo glad i'm out of it,the grass IS definately greener......
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Is there any truth in the rumour that eJ's Base Captain at Bristol (along with one other Captain), and the Base Captain at Liverpool, recently departed from eJ to join Astraeus ?
Well that's not a rumour, its well known fact from some months ago.
With 100 jets ZY employ in the region of 1200 pilots. Screaming posts of 15% losses in 6 months would mean 30 pilots leaving each month.
Well. Ummm. If you have well over a thousand pilots AND hundreds of cadets arriving AND an indsutry recovering properly THEN 30 pilots a months is, frankly, buttons.
Meanwhile the newly arriving aircraft will see 160 extra pilots added. There are issues. But turnover isn't one of them.
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With 100 jets ZY employ in the region of 1200 pilots. Screaming posts of 15% losses in 6 months would mean 30 pilots leaving each month.
Well. Ummm. If you have well over a thousand pilots AND hundreds of cadets arriving AND an indsutry recovering properly THEN 30 pilots a months is, frankly, buttons.
Meanwhile the newly arriving aircraft will see 160 extra pilots added. There are issues. But turnover isn't one of them.
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"Meanwhile the newly arriving aircraft will see 160 extra pilots added"
What this really means is that the airlines 'needs' 160 pilots. With a similar massive expansion at RYR, (about 20 extra a/c over the next 10 months), and BA saying they are short, and..and.. Just where are these pilots coming from? And how are they all going to be trained in time? Not to mention the up- grade training.
Interesting times ahead, especailly as RYR & ej go head to head for crews at LTN/STN, LPL, GLA/PIK, and it being easy to commute to GRO & CIA or any RYR base. The numbers don't seem to add up.
What this really means is that the airlines 'needs' 160 pilots. With a similar massive expansion at RYR, (about 20 extra a/c over the next 10 months), and BA saying they are short, and..and.. Just where are these pilots coming from? And how are they all going to be trained in time? Not to mention the up- grade training.
Interesting times ahead, especailly as RYR & ej go head to head for crews at LTN/STN, LPL, GLA/PIK, and it being easy to commute to GRO & CIA or any RYR base. The numbers don't seem to add up.
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FRying illinformed
By stepping from EZY to RYR, you have the same style of flying on similar aircraft, similar quality of training and crew, but better maintained jets, for an extra day off each week, complete stability, no sycophancy or hypocracy, no politically motivated obstruction to promotion, free staff travel guaranteed and the small item of an extra £1-1.5k per month nett. (FOs and Capts alike).
Yep, you just carry on believing all the rumours and bull that the incorruptible EZY commercial and PR departments start. Or, if you want to open your eyes, speak to one of the svereal dozen who have made exactly that move in the last 2 years and see what they think.
As for Captplaystation's remark of "out of the pan, into the fire", well, it's not perfect, but it is a hell of a lot better.
Yep, you just carry on believing all the rumours and bull that the incorruptible EZY commercial and PR departments start. Or, if you want to open your eyes, speak to one of the svereal dozen who have made exactly that move in the last 2 years and see what they think.
As for Captplaystation's remark of "out of the pan, into the fire", well, it's not perfect, but it is a hell of a lot better.
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If you think its buttons, then I hope you are enjoying all the disruption caused by 30 pilots a month leaving.
It doesn't help that flight deck recruitment in eJ is so understaffed and running to stand still that only a few 200-hr cadets can be found to plug the gaps. I can tell you that most capts up our way are horrified that several experienced SFOs nearing command are to be replaced with half a dozen wannabes.
Meanwhile dozens, if not hundreds, of experienced guys are sitting in the eJ database wondering when the hell anyone is going to ask them to interview....
If you think its buttons, then I hope you are enjoying all the disruption caused by 30 pilots a month leaving.
It doesn't help that flight deck recruitment in eJ is so understaffed and running to stand still that only a few 200-hr cadets can be found to plug the gaps. I can tell you that most capts up our way are horrified that several experienced SFOs nearing command are to be replaced with half a dozen wannabes.
Meanwhile dozens, if not hundreds, of experienced guys are sitting in the eJ database wondering when the hell anyone is going to ask them to interview....
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I've never been intimidated by management, rarely experienced disruption, have plenty of time off, don't feel abused and get paid pretty well for doing bugger all. I'm not management, not union, not cc, just a line pilot. Thank you very much.
Someone commented that easyjet pilots appear to have the same complaints as a few years ago. Well, if the company offered 2 sector days, part time, salary increase and a 100k bonus, there would still be the same complaints voiced here on this website.
For some people their situation at easyjet is irredeemable; better they leave for everyone's sake.
Perhaps I'm singularly blessed, but I seldom identify my job with many of the easyJet contributors to this website.
FQ
Someone commented that easyjet pilots appear to have the same complaints as a few years ago. Well, if the company offered 2 sector days, part time, salary increase and a 100k bonus, there would still be the same complaints voiced here on this website.
For some people their situation at easyjet is irredeemable; better they leave for everyone's sake.
Perhaps I'm singularly blessed, but I seldom identify my job with many of the easyJet contributors to this website.
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Well said as a low cost carrier easy is probably one of the better to work for. Personally i find the 5/2/5/4 a bit tiering but 5/3/5/3 doesn't appeal either as i'm certain that it will be just the same with out the advantage of 4 (and some times even 5 or 6 with standbys or contactables) I think it would drive me to my grave!
Sure easy isn't perfect but I'm equally sure there's not a better job out there at the moment!
As for managment intimadation been at easy almost 5 years never been intimidated although I've intimidated them a few times!!!
Well said as a low cost carrier easy is probably one of the better to work for. Personally i find the 5/2/5/4 a bit tiering but 5/3/5/3 doesn't appeal either as i'm certain that it will be just the same with out the advantage of 4 (and some times even 5 or 6 with standbys or contactables) I think it would drive me to my grave!
Sure easy isn't perfect but I'm equally sure there's not a better job out there at the moment!
As for managment intimadation been at easy almost 5 years never been intimidated although I've intimidated them a few times!!!
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FQ and Unable,
I'm gald for you that you're happy with your lot. It has to be remembered, though, that there is great disparity between the workload and working conditions from base to base, and an observer who visited LGW then LTN would not beleive they were even under the same Authority, never mind in the same company. It's great that the Scottish bases, and indeed some others, are happy with how things are, but please don't assume that all is well with the company - it realy isn't. And please don't misinterpret this as a "You're alright Jack" post, it's just a statement that while some enjoy reasonable conditions, others are enduring corrupt an nepotisic regimes and being run into the ground. They don't wish your conditions to be brought in line with theirs, but for their coditions to rise to yours. The fact that this situation has existed for more than 5 years is what precipitates the aforementioned posts and resignations based on a lack of faith i n promised improvements and loss of trust in the mgmt.
I'm gald for you that you're happy with your lot. It has to be remembered, though, that there is great disparity between the workload and working conditions from base to base, and an observer who visited LGW then LTN would not beleive they were even under the same Authority, never mind in the same company. It's great that the Scottish bases, and indeed some others, are happy with how things are, but please don't assume that all is well with the company - it realy isn't. And please don't misinterpret this as a "You're alright Jack" post, it's just a statement that while some enjoy reasonable conditions, others are enduring corrupt an nepotisic regimes and being run into the ground. They don't wish your conditions to be brought in line with theirs, but for their coditions to rise to yours. The fact that this situation has existed for more than 5 years is what precipitates the aforementioned posts and resignations based on a lack of faith i n promised improvements and loss of trust in the mgmt.
Flying Quill I've never been intimidated by management, rarely experienced disruption, have plenty of time off, don't feel abused and get paid pretty well for doing bugger all.
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I'd agree with FQ and suggest that most of the moaning on here is done by the usual pessimistic few who wouldnt smile at £100k and 3 on 5 off....!
The VAST majority of the pilots I fly with, are quite happy that the status quo at eJ, isnt any worse than most other UK operators.
Moaning here wont improve things either. Joining the union might.
The VAST majority of the pilots I fly with, are quite happy that the status quo at eJ, isnt any worse than most other UK operators.
Moaning here wont improve things either. Joining the union might.
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Would that be the union that gave away the loyaly bonus (worth upto 15% anually) for FOs, agreed to £1100pa deductions for crew food (which was then reduced in quantity by 50%, constituting theft of £550), agreed to a reduction in annual leave of 7 days and was run by abunch of company appologists who, coincidentally, recieved a 20% pay rise just before the latest (suspicious) ballot? BALPA will acheive nothing in EZY, they are in my opinion utterly corrupt. I hope JD can turn things around and alter my perceptions.
You also missed the point that many have made that while you may be happy in your base, many others are being screwed. The LGW bus drivers are the darlings of the fleet, while the LTN 73 crews prop the company up. Such it has always been, and so it shall continue.
The only way that T&Cs will improve is the hard way, by people being brave enough to leave. There are plenty of jobs out there, but the mgmt foster a fear of resignation, spreading the myth that no-one else is recruiting. Well, they are, and there are alternatives. EZY have shown for the last 6 years that they are totally disinterested in the well being of their operational staff (cc, engineers and pilots alike). The unions have acheived little. The only thing they will ever understand is empty crew rooms.
You also missed the point that many have made that while you may be happy in your base, many others are being screwed. The LGW bus drivers are the darlings of the fleet, while the LTN 73 crews prop the company up. Such it has always been, and so it shall continue.
The only way that T&Cs will improve is the hard way, by people being brave enough to leave. There are plenty of jobs out there, but the mgmt foster a fear of resignation, spreading the myth that no-one else is recruiting. Well, they are, and there are alternatives. EZY have shown for the last 6 years that they are totally disinterested in the well being of their operational staff (cc, engineers and pilots alike). The unions have acheived little. The only thing they will ever understand is empty crew rooms.