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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

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Old 14th Nov 2022, 20:32
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Who in their right mind OK's piling up rockets like this?
And to make it worse it seems to be SOP in Russian military as there's been footage of piled up (read: thrown randomly in the woods) tank ammo, arty ammo, MANPADS, ATGMs etc etc. throughout temporarily occupied Ukraine.

Ukraine may have an ex comedian as a president but the Russian army is the comedy.


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Old 14th Nov 2022, 21:04
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Originally Posted by rixt
ORAC, Has it been confirmed that the Ukraine forces are on the peninsula? Or anywere on the east bank of the river?
No and it would be stupid to assume the UA military would confirm it
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Old 14th Nov 2022, 21:43
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Originally Posted by Beamr
Who in their right mind OK's piling up rockets like this?
I guess the simple answer to your question is untrained and unmotivated conscripts…
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Old 14th Nov 2022, 22:31
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Interesting "tank's eye view" of various tank obstacles. Not sure where this is
Humorous comment that goes with this:
Putin: Make dragon teeth, two meters high!
Shoigu: 1,75 m will be ok. We will take care of rest of money.
Engineer: We could make them 1,5 m. No one will notice. Rest be my bonus
Lieutenant: Comrades, make them 1m. Then we can buy vodka.
Privates: Less tooth, more vodka!
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No and it would be stupid to assume the UA military would confirm it
Well said.
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Old 14th Nov 2022, 22:37
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Referenc3 the reported attack on the Kilburn spit…

IF the attack on the west side of the river is true (as i think it is) then ukr has a bridge head, they will expand it, and there is nothing russia can do about it right now. and here is why.

1 with the area they attacked they have 3 routs of supply via sea and they can come from the west to east via air (mi-8s ). they are using light fighters and so dont need the huge supply chain that armored formations do.

2. The enemy (MOSTLY) in front of them is the 22nd corps. its a joke. its a support army corps without combat troops. artillery, rockets, MPs, and engineers... what do you think ukr paratroopers are going to do to them??…. and they are FAST. a bunch of SF using trucks and ATVs directing arty and drones can sweep areas in front of them well prior to the follow on infantry has to engage them.
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Old 14th Nov 2022, 23:42
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Originally Posted by rattman
No and it would be stupid to assume the UA military would confirm it
Russians say they are.

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Old 14th Nov 2022, 23:59
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Insane Ukrainian bravery.

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Old 15th Nov 2022, 00:26
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I am still trying to figure this one out, for one it is international waters not Russian and two it also kills any trade they may be getting unless of course they are worried about a ship going boom as it passes under the bridge.

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Old 15th Nov 2022, 00:35
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Old 15th Nov 2022, 02:08
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No! oh, the humanity. For pitys sake, the raccoon didn't ask to be absconded and press ganged into being a BTG commander! After the RuZZian troops have won the heart and mind of the racoon, there will need to be a rape kit administered to this poor unfortunate creature.

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Old 15th Nov 2022, 04:10
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
I am still trying to figure this one out, for one it is international waters not Russian and two it also kills any trade they may be getting unless of course they are worried about a ship going boom as it passes under the bridge.



https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1591386262333947904
I have to admit I'm scratching my head if this is true. Is there no rational thought going on inside Russia? WTF? Oh, Russia. I sure wish they could see how the rest of the world views what is going on; Russia has become a cult with a feed back loop......
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Originally Posted by fdr
No! oh, the humanity. For pitys sake, the raccoon didn't ask to be absconded and press ganged into being a BTG commander! After the RuZZian troops have won the heart and mind of the racoon, there will need to be a rape kit administered to this poor unfortunate creature.

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probably the smartest thing in the trench so got it by default
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Old 15th Nov 2022, 06:29
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Way things are going with casualties and promotions the raccoon will make general and commander of the eastern front within a couple of weeks - and fall out a window before Xmas…
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Old 15th Nov 2022, 06:58
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Pundits given up on winning militarily and now fantasising about recruiting kids as partisans to act as saboteurs behind Ukrainian lines as they advance..

Love the bit at the end - the Ukrainians are better off because they have toilet bowls and we don’t….

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Old 15th Nov 2022, 07:17
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1/ Interesting things appear to be happening currently on the Kinburn Peninsula (often erroneously called the Kinburn Spit), south-west of Kherson. Although exactly what is still uncertain, it's worth taking a look at why Kinburn matters.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...546297345.html
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Old 15th Nov 2022, 09:08
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix
Is there a rough inventory of the vast ammunition store in Transnistria that the Russians were hoping to link up to and access?

(It sounded like old ammo aplenty for outdated equipment.)
Seems only the russians know, and maybe Moldova. Wiki says 20,000 tonnes but that does not seem very much.

I recall at the beginning of this conflict reading about a US\NATO financed program to depose of Ukraine's stockpile of Soviet era munitions. Cannot find the exact source now ( try searching for ukraine and ammunition! lol) - but the following article gives an overview https://theworld.org/stories/2015-01...landmines-dust

A small quote from there
"The new government in Kyiv was now in charge of more than 80 highly volatile depots that held 7 million small arms and light weapons, and as much as 2 million tons of conventional munitions, even though NATO warned that they were designed to hold far less than that."

Here is another link that mentions that in one single incident a few years ago (likely sabotage) 70,000 tonnes of ammunition were destroyed.
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-expl.../28777991.html

So not only did the west ( well UK and US) guarantee Ukraine's borders in the Budapest memorandum, we also were actively involved in paying Ukraine to destroy ex soviet munitions that they now do not have enough of.
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Old 15th Nov 2022, 09:23
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This UNGA (UN General Assembly) vote will haunt Russia financially for decades. Large sums, which can be retrieved for reparations, are already frozen on Western bank accounts, around 300 billion USD. That vote gives legal basis in those countries (all of them voted yes) to impound it.



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Old 15th Nov 2022, 09:48
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Crikey, talks of surrender on Russian TV

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Old 15th Nov 2022, 09:51
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
Having never been involved in military procurement, I don't know how you overcome the problem that after the initial orders - unlike supermarket-biscuits - you cannot rely on any new orders for perhaps years, which gives big problems about ordering parts with long lead-times, keeping skills up-to-date and having expensive factory space taken up by assembly-lines for non-moving product.

Excellent question. From an MoD perspective, welcome to Materiel and Financial Provisioning Policy (not procurement)!

Managing this within MoD is solely a function of Service HQs. If only they knew it.

If procurers are having to do it, it’s often far too late.

It’s not specifically addressed in CADMID for individual requirements. It’s a core function within MoD, without which CADMID planning is doomed to failure.

Last time I saw it implemented properly was 1988, by the RN. (Easily dated, as the section responsible was disbanded in April 1988 following the Hallifax Savings, and has never been replaced. The RAF’s equivalent was already gone).

I recall one particular event in 1990, when AMSO (RAF) refused to renew maintenance contracts for the upkeep of the RN’s Environmental Test Chambers. They were urgently needed for Merlin (especially), Sea King, Lynx and SHAR radar testing. (And shared with the RAF on Tornado, EFA, etc). One company, Thorn-EMI Varian, wrote to an AVM asking which car park at their Hayes factory he would like them dumped in, because there was no longer a means of paying for storage, never mind upkeep. The plinths of the ones held at Ferranti, South Gyle, in a hangar-sized building, soon rotted and they leaked like a sieve.

Just as we were transitioning to war…
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