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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 14th Dec 2022, 05:01
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So Russia is taking the opportunity now to target the center/centre of Kyiv before the Patriots arrive?
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Old 14th Dec 2022, 10:29
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix
So Russia is taking the opportunity now to target the center/centre of Kyiv before the Patriots arrive?
I doubt that the patriots will have (or are intended to have) much impact on the current Russian tactic of large-scale cruise-missile/ drone attacks. It is much more likely that this is a pre-emptive move to counter the ballistic missiles that Russia is (reportedly) going to receive from Iran.
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Old 14th Dec 2022, 11:48
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Either it is the combat wing of the local Gypsies, or Russia is struggling for military vehicles.

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Old 14th Dec 2022, 11:52
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Azerbaijan has handed 3 Mig 29's over to Ukraine.



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Old 14th Dec 2022, 11:55
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Originally Posted by _Agrajag_
Not sure that's low. 5 Reg AAC took me on a "sight seeing" trip down to "bandit country" years ago (South Armagh) and we were climbing to get over hedges. I swear the skids were skimming the top of the grass at times. I'm sure part of it was a bit of "lets show the crab what the army can do", but even so it was impressive.
I recall almost having a head-on with a Puma on the brow of a hill in Fermanagh in the late 80s, whilst on driving on hols with my (then) girlfriend. How we laughed afterwards....
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Ukraine has selected pilots to train on Western Jets, though it does not say any have been offered yet. That was 2 months ago.. So I wonder if they are close to receiving some?

https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-air...-3rQU5hAtSZA8o


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October 29, 2022·2 min readVALENTYNA ROMANENKO – SATURDAY, 29 OCTOBER 2022, 16:11

The Ukrainian Air Force has selected a group of pilots who can start training on modern foreign fighter jets. Now Western partners must decide on the types of planes they can supply Ukraine with.

Source: Yurii Ihnat, the spokesperson for the Air Force of Ukraine, on the 24-hour live national television newscast on 29 October

Details: Ihnat confirmed that Ukraine’s air defence is being strengthened with foreign armaments: anti-aircraft systems, guns (though not as rapidly as needed). At the same time he noted that the air defence system of a country includes not only anti-aircraft armaments (which shoot from land) but also air cover.

Quote: "Fighter jets are the most expensive thing…They are equipped with a number of missiles able to work at a different range.

Unfortunately, the aviation we have today is Soviet MiGs and Su planes (we got the latest ones in 1991). They are not able to resist the military threats of the occupying state, which is launching attacks on Ukraine using powerful cruise missiles.

We have a burning need of Western-style fighter planes, maybe F15 or F16. This is the urgent issue that needs to be discussed. Ukrainian diplomacy and its military and political administration are working in all areas of activity in order to accelerate the pace of such provision.

Lieutenant General Mykola Oleshchuk, Commander of the Air Forces of Ukraine, has formed a group of dozens of pilots who are ready to start training abroad tomorrow. Our partners only have to decide on the equipment they are ready to supply us with.

These pilots are young, promising, have combat experience and speak English".

Background: In August, Ukrainska Pravda reported that Ukraine and the USA have not yet decided on the provision of fighter planes.

Ihnat reported that the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has selected the expert group which will work on the rearmament of the Air Force.

The group concluded that the priority is supplying the Air Force of Ukraine with Western multirole combat aircraft that will be able to fulfil a wide range of tasks under current combat conditions.

It was mentioned these could be the America-produced multifunctional fighter planes F-16, F-15 and F-18 with certain modifications, or their European analogues.
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Old 14th Dec 2022, 12:01
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix
So Russia is taking the opportunity now to target the center/centre of Kyiv before the Patriots arrive?
I don't know just how much cost enters the equation, but Patriot missiles cost around $ 3 million per unit ( paid by the Dutch a few months back and publicly reported ), so it-s unlikely to be worth using on a $20 000 Shahed drone, but then again if that's aimed at your power station..... I have just read that an IRIS-T missile costs $ 430 000 but believe that , so far, they have been used only on cruise missiles.
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Well and truly hit.

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Old 14th Dec 2022, 14:11
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Ukrainian army now near Donetsk.

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Old 14th Dec 2022, 14:23
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They are lacing those tank traps together


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Old 14th Dec 2022, 14:34
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Now there is a juicy target prime for a missile.

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Old 14th Dec 2022, 14:40
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Some good news

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/12/14/7380732/
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Old 14th Dec 2022, 15:02
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Originally Posted by NutLoose

It is from March , Cherngiv in the north
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Old 14th Dec 2022, 15:42
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Originally Posted by Usertim
It is from March , Cherngiv in the north
This is EXACTLY why I have reservations about sources like Twitter or any of the others, very, very little of it is ever verified, and there is a great deal that is just plain untrue anyway.
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Old 14th Dec 2022, 15:58
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Originally Posted by Usertim
It is from March , Cherngiv in the north

Snow in March, surely it will have been cleared by now, they also look fresh, Ie haven't rusted away?
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Old 14th Dec 2022, 16:19
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Boy, the airfield GSE guys are brave to make such a point against Putin and his fellow fascists. Oh, they mean Ukraine? the democracy? the ones who are being invaded by an autocratic despot? Never mind...
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Snow in March, surely it will have been cleared by now, they also look fresh, Ie haven't rusted away?
What if the video is from March ?
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Old 14th Dec 2022, 19:35
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What if the video is from March ?
I think that’s the obvious interpretation
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Czech republic started to train ZSU soldiers at Libavá.

Tweet says:
Nobody has to explain to us Czechs what the Russian invasion is. "Our aid is morally right, it helps our own security, the defense of values and the international order. It reduces the capacity of the direct military threat that is Russia," says Chief of the General Staff Řehka.



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Old 14th Dec 2022, 19:46
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So how good is the Patriot missile system? Google gives both good and bad reviews, mentioning a downgrading of interceptions in the Gulf war. Were there problems that have been fixed? The Russkie S400 seems not to work as advertised, is the Patriot in the same league?
A lot better than nothing

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