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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

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Old 14th Nov 2022, 08:09
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The reality here is that the West is saying that they don’t wish to step up military production to any great extent because of the cost. Meanwhile, the Russians are beginning to mobilise their industry……

Like it or not, this war is now a battle of industrial systems - like previous large wars. The post Cold War ‘small, exquisite, periodic and expensive’ approach to weapons procurement in the West is over. We just haven’t fully realized that yet.…

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I'm not sure how informed and in context Ryan's quote is, and how much just generalisation. I recall reading that Himars production was going to be increased considerably- although taking over 12 months (?) to implement. There is not only the question of replacing US stocks, but considerable new orders from all over have been received. The same applied to NLAW's and probably Javelin as well. You can then add to this the intentions (?) of many states to increase their defence expenditure as a regular budgetary item, plus the existing pre-conflict agreements that numerous states not fulfilling the 2% NATO contribution would implement plans to do so.

Having never been involved in military procurement, I don't know how you overcome the problem that after the initial orders - unlike supermarket-biscuits - you cannot rely on any new orders for perhaps years, which gives big problems about ordering parts with long lead-times, keeping skills up-to-date and having expensive factory space taken up by assembly-lines for non-moving product.
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Old 14th Nov 2022, 08:17
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General Staff: Russia amasses troops near Melitopol in Zaporizhzhia Oblast.

Russian forces are bringing more troops and building fortifications around Melitopol in Zaporizhzhia Oblast, the General Staff reported on Nov. 13.
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Rybar by now isn't even particularly shy of showing exactly where Ukraine might strike next, which is the Zaporizhzhia direction. What's funny is zero mention of what Russia might do to counter this move.

Almost as if it is game over.
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More on the Nuclear power plant region.




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Old 14th Nov 2022, 09:16
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Rybar by now isn't even particularly shy of showing exactly where Ukraine might strike next, which is the Zaporizhzhia direction. What's funny is zero mention of what Russia might do to counter this move.

Almost as if it is game over.
In the context of isolating Crimea, there appears to be only overland 3 supply routes. One is already very restricted and all of them look very vulnerable on the map at least.
Dominating Melitopol would block the remaining 2.
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Reuters: Zelensky visits liberated Kherson.

President Volodymyr Zelensky is visiting the city of Kherson, according to a Reuters witness.

Kherson was liberated by Ukrainian troops on Nov. 11.


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Russian mobilised troops have lost half their number killed under constant Ukrainian bombardment near Svatove in under a month. They are drinking out of puddles and are being fed only every two or three days, but fear being shot by their own side if they try to surrender.

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Old 14th Nov 2022, 09:56
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan

Having never been involved in military procurement, I don't know how you overcome the problem that after the initial orders - unlike supermarket-biscuits - you cannot rely on any new orders for perhaps years, which gives big problems about ordering parts with long lead-times, keeping skills up-to-date and having expensive factory space taken up by assembly-lines for non-moving product.
This is where the conspiracy theorists such as Icke come in. They've convinced a lot of people that all wars are deliberate acts just to grease the wheels of the military industrial machine.
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Puting your point across to the Lt Colonel.


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Supposedly all identified and included in the contract as part of the CADMID cycle (Concept, Assessment, Design, Manufacrure, In-Service, Disposal).

e.g. The product can be designed so that it open-source and modular so that software & hardware can be easily replaced and up graded during its life, so you don’t have to produce and stockpile spares at the start fo4 fear of not being able to source them. Supposedly one o& the design points for the NGAD..

Not much you can do about the production line - look at those for the F-22 and C-17. When they’re gone - they’re gone.

Disposal remains a pipe dream in many cases - which is why SSN/SSBN hulks are tied up alongside decades later - and ships full of asbestos are sold to scrappers in Asia to export the problem…
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Antonivskyi bridge from above, that's going to take a heck of a time to repair, it might be better starting again.


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Is there a rough inventory of the vast ammunition store in Transnistria that the Russians were hoping to link up to and access?

(It sounded like old ammo aplenty for outdated equipment.)
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Originally Posted by ORAC
General Staff: Russia amasses troops near Melitopol in Zaporizhzhia Oblast.

Russian forces are bringing more troops and building fortifications around Melitopol in Zaporizhzhia Oblast, the General Staff reported on Nov. 13.
"Troops"... Loose term for human sacrifice. Only one 9mm needed to save a lot of convicts sorry, conscripts... And not a few Ukrainian civilians and defenders
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Puting your point across to the Lt Colonel.



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The wheels look mighty rickety on the waggin.
How long before fragging become de rigueur

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Old 14th Nov 2022, 18:19
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If true, the Southern/Left bank of the Dnipro has become "Grey Zone." It is land held by neither side as AFU & RFAF patrols skirmish with one another.

The other implication, if true, is the 49th Combined Arms Army really did lose tens of thousands in the withdrawal.

Again, if true, then the Russians strategic position in the south of Ukraine has become untenable. There is too much land and not enough Russian troops or logistics to hold it.

You need some minimum density of infantry forces to hold ground and Russia has fallen below whatever that magic number is in southern Ukraine. If Ukrainian SF can occupy Russian abandoned towns on the Left/Southern bank of the Dnipro…..

“Unconfirmed news from #Olehsky,Kherson . UA forces seem to have liberated the town. 🇷🇺 forces withdrew after relentless artillery & HIMARS strikes all night & morning. 🇺🇦 SOF entered the city this morning.”

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Old 14th Nov 2022, 19:46
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🇷🇺 forces on the Kilburn spit have retreated to a newly created defensive line in the bottleneck of the peninsula half way between Herois'ke & Rybal'che. The defensive line stretches all the way across (4 km) and consists of trenches and vehicle reventments.
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ORAC, Has it been confirmed that the Ukraine forces are on the peninsula? Or anywere on the east bank of the river?
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