Is Ukraine about to have a war?
That surely is not right?
How can it be a breach of GC to tell your defeated troops to try to save themselves any way they can?
Surely that would also imply that an escaping PoW in civvies is beyond the GC? Numerous precedents in the European none-too distant past would suggest otherwise...
...Slava Ukraini.
How can it be a breach of GC to tell your defeated troops to try to save themselves any way they can?
Surely that would also imply that an escaping PoW in civvies is beyond the GC? Numerous precedents in the European none-too distant past would suggest otherwise...
...Slava Ukraini.
ML2, refer #11498 for some context. Depends.
Also, before getting too euphoric about Ukraine's alleged "Great Victory" we should wait a prudent period before acknowleging this not so much a UKR 'victory' (which it isn't purely by force of arms) rather then a RUS strategic withdrawal - and pause to see where the status quo lies in a few days or week's time. Russia seldom cedes territory without a strategic plan and UKR will have great trouble following them across the river while RUS will remain able to bombard from the other side. Kherson may yet be pulverised. Ley's not let out enthuisan get the better of us. The RUS have a plan I suspect, for once. I'd be thilled if they did not but it's a bit premature to be crowing just yet.
Time will tell, and if all goes well perhaps another bridge properly dropped might even give hope for Crimea to return to civilisation.
My point is...
as we say in Norfolk, 'howd you haard bor..." (ie, don't be too hasty, lad)
Slava Ukraini.
I would argue the evacuation of Kherson, (with some caution) is a tactical rout of RuZZian forces after their supply was compromised through the defence against the invaders by Ukraine. Would not be giving RuZZia credit for strategy that was forced upon them by the Ukrainians tactical interdiction in the field. Ukraine has achieved remarkable results from
Russia gets an "F" for management, for application, for motivation, for logistics, for weapon design, for training, for tactical competency.
Russia gets an "A" for assistance in destruction and demilitarisation of Russias military.
The UN gets an "F", for, well nothing at all.
The world gets a "C" for belatedly supporting a committed defender of it's own sovereignty, which is what the UN is supposed top do but doesn't. They get a "D+" for timeliness
Time to get one of the Baltic and Scandinavian lady Prime Ministers to be the UN SG, at least there would bet some back bone then.
Not true yes he not protected by the geneva convention but is still protected by the rule of law in ukraine and summary execution is still illegal, if he was resist arrest than military / police could use lethal force. But to take someone put them against and kill them would still be murder under ukrainian law
Putting Russia and "strategic plan" in the same sentence is a bit of a joke. If Russia didn't have a bad strategic plan they would have no strategic plan at all. Giving up territory to a numerically and capability inferior enemy is just a simple example of abject Military failure. There is no way to put lipstick on this pig.
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[military content] So, luckily, and defying all reality, Russia evacuated all of its weapons and munitions across the Dneiper, darn neat trick without a viable bridge in the south, and limited traffic around the dam. But, well done. Credit where it is due, well done saving a couple of Ladas and Kamaz... the rifles, ammo, arty, tanks and other items that are designated as donations to Ukraines forces are undoubtedly received with appreciation. The troops themselves were apparently not considered to be weapons by Vlad; I think I would agree with that position.
Now Vlad wants to talk about getting' outta Dodge with his scalp intact. Would think that the window of opportunity for that is actually quite small, squandering time arguing about the shape and size of the table for holding discussions might not be wise for Vlad's undertakers underwriters.
Crossing the rubicon Dneiper by Russia to have a go2.0 at Kherson predicated on an ice road between the banks is able to be discouraged at some distance by arty and HIMARS and dumb munitions. Causing grief to an attack is not going to be that demanding... that would permit a reallocation of forces by Ukraine towards the next pressure point, which is already set up, and which would force the complete evacuation of Crimea, Zaphorizhia, and the other 2014 areas. A single route supports the eastern areas of Ukraine for the Russian invaders, the M14. If the M-14 is cut, then Russia doesn't have a game that includes Ukraine, the limited face saving that is being suggested now would be irrelevant, the Ukrainians would be able to force the removal of the invading hordes from all parts of the South, with the area adjacent to Russia being the only supportable point of the invasion that Vlad could hold on to. Losing the land bridge, and with the ability to remove Kerch at will shuts the last door of opportunity for Vlad.
That situation would make negotiations too late for Vlad, so, he may have a smaller window [no pun intended, Vlad] of opportunity than he might otherwise expect. [military content concluded]
Vlads concern about [aviation content] going flying [end aviation content] to a G-20 summit in SEA has been about being pushed onto all 4's and losing face, or being assassinated. I would think that there is a lower risk to his retirement plan outside of Russia than inside; his playmates are pretty loose and quick with the long knives and the window catches seem to be notoriously faulty in Russia.
[life choice content] Vlad may need to consider a new vocation; master strategist doesn't seem to suit so much. Gardening is good therapy for anger management. [life choice content concluded]
Now Vlad wants to talk about getting' outta Dodge with his scalp intact. Would think that the window of opportunity for that is actually quite small, squandering time arguing about the shape and size of the table for holding discussions might not be wise for Vlad's
Crossing the
That situation would make negotiations too late for Vlad, so, he may have a smaller window [no pun intended, Vlad] of opportunity than he might otherwise expect. [military content concluded]
Vlads concern about [aviation content] going flying [end aviation content] to a G-20 summit in SEA has been about being pushed onto all 4's and losing face, or being assassinated. I would think that there is a lower risk to his retirement plan outside of Russia than inside; his playmates are pretty loose and quick with the long knives and the window catches seem to be notoriously faulty in Russia.
[life choice content] Vlad may need to consider a new vocation; master strategist doesn't seem to suit so much. Gardening is good therapy for anger management. [life choice content concluded]
Officially releases are coming out about the a USV drones that ukraine used to strike the black sea fleet
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ly-break-cover
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Satellite images showing the damage to the dam and Kherson bridges, pontoon and road.
Russkies announce evacuation on the left bank of Dniepr.
Blowing up the dam is not likely as it would close the taps in Crimea, so what are they afraid of? Or planning?
Blowing up the dam is not likely as it would close the taps in Crimea, so what are they afraid of? Or planning?
Not true yes he not protected by the geneva convention but is still protected by the rule of law in ukraine and summary execution is still illegal, if he was resist arrest than military / police could use lethal force. But to take someone put them against and kill them would still be murder under ukrainian law
As a MOD civvy I was subject to the Air Force Act at all times, held a Dormant Commission and a set of combats with rank badges and ID card against the day.
nobody was silly enough to give me a pistol but we did the full NBC thing.
I would have had the flimsy protection of the GC precisely because I was in uniform. Even had a number .....letter with in a drawer somewhere!
In modern day infantry warfare air superiority is the key. In essence: lightweight and very mobile, very cheap drones. The thing is that in Ukraine a platoon has its own drones acting as eye in the sky giving huge advantage to the troops not to mention the grenade dropping stalkers. Now for the future, anyone coming up with an effective, portable and affordable counter drone solution will be a very rich person.
Russkies announce evacuation on the left bank of Dniepr.
Blowing up the dam is not likely as it would close the taps in Crimea, so what are they afraid of? Or planning?
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/stat...46344446562304
Blowing up the dam is not likely as it would close the taps in Crimea, so what are they afraid of? Or planning?
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/stat...46344446562304
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Dam wise it appears they dropped the road sections however they might have a bit of collateral.
as for numbers I realise they will be a tad inflated, but 800 troops taken out of the game in one day, 24 tanks 34 APV and 20 assorted vehicles is a big dent in anyones capability.
as for numbers I realise they will be a tad inflated, but 800 troops taken out of the game in one day, 24 tanks 34 APV and 20 assorted vehicles is a big dent in anyones capability.
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Heck they even left behind an air defence system apparently.
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Film from the dam of the dam roads being blown.
Film of the Kherson bridge being blown
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Film of the Kherson bridge being blown
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Heck they even left behind an air defence system apparently.
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/stat...DRuZvj2pUsAAAA
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/stat...DRuZvj2pUsAAAA
Might want to check that system out, the Russians seem to have obtained a 180 turn back routine into their S-300's in recent times. Might want a long string on the trigger on launch. Of course, it could be that the S-300 system is just embarrassed about being conscripted into Russias elite service.
Barking mad, the lot of them.. and copyright theft.. but if you watch it, filmed in a narrow street, maybe only about 5 or 6 rows deep but looks more with clever editing, rent a crowd again? Lots of noise, not a lot quantity wise.
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Just a thought, and I might have missed the answer elsewhere, how are the Russian troops in Transnistria being re-supplied?
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Russians are starting to evacuate their helicopter base in Chaplynka, due to the fact that HIMARS are now in firing range to this Russian-occupied city. The base was also an important CnC post.
The moving of gear out of the 90km GLMRS zone will continue.
The moving of gear out of the 90km GLMRS zone will continue.