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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 11th Nov 2022, 12:20
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Originally Posted by fdr
On the basis of no good turn.... perhaps the Kerch bridge has run out it's useful life, would seem to be a balanced response to the drop of the bridges today in Kherson oblast.
Assuming the Kerch bridge isn't currently being used to transport significant quantities of anything important (which appears to be the case), surely better to let Russia expend further time and resources on trying to fix it, and then drop it when they're done?
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Old 11th Nov 2022, 12:26
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Originally Posted by pasta
Assuming the Kerch bridge isn't currently being used to transport significant quantities of anything important (which appears to be the case), surely better to let Russia expend further time and resources on trying to fix it, and then drop it when they're done?
true, quite true. timing is everything. It is definitely time to give Ukraine the full range for the 270's to take out every rail line that crosses the occupied territory. It is past time for the Ruskis to go home. They are not fast on the uptake of the hint that Ukraine is giving them. Taking out the MSR is the fastest way to make their life miserable and get a bit of a Vlad hate mail going in revolt. That is the least amount of Ukrainians placed at direct risk.(IMHO)
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Old 11th Nov 2022, 12:27
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Originally Posted by ORAC
ROFL….



"The Ministry of Defense reported that at 5:00 Moscow time, the transfer of Russian troops to the left bank of the Dnieper was completed. As the department clarifies, not a single piece of military equipment and weapons was left on the right bank." …..
That is tortologically possibly, maybe a true statement.... RuZZia didn't leave anything behind, they donated them to the Ukrainians.
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Old 11th Nov 2022, 12:37
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Any fighting-age male is going to at least raise suspicion amongst Uke forces.
Trouble is the orcs seem to have a broader definition of "fighting age male" than most NATO countries!
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Old 11th Nov 2022, 12:39
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Kherson city square
Looks remarkably intact compared to the likes of Kharkiv etc.
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Old 11th Nov 2022, 14:32
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Posted on the other JB forum, someone I cannot mention on here is petrified he is about to get topped.

As much as they build their defences along the river, Ukraine has already crossed that river further up country so the Russians are leaving themselves open to being cut off from the rear. They are also building up some pretty well built defences where they used to have the " Russian frontline border" in Crimea, Prudent yes, but it also makes you think that even Russia do not think they can hold the far bank.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/kherson?f=live

This also shows their desire, they are flying the EU flag alongside their own in Kherson. If anyone has earned a place, it is the Ukrainians.





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Old 11th Nov 2022, 15:33
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I wonder how many more like this unfortunate or should that read lucky individuals are left behind.

The Russian command has lost contact with many of the active units on the right bank of #Dnipro , to which the news of the surrender has not even reached. It is not clear the number of prisoners (mostly mobiki) in Ukrainian hands, nor whether pockets of orc resistance exist. #Kherson
"We were abandoned"




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Old 11th Nov 2022, 15:44
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Most of the Russian occupiers stationed on the right bank of the Dnipro are still there. This force was estimated to be about 20,000. The Russians are trapped on the wrong side of destroyed bridges and crossings they no longer control.

The scale of Ukraine's victory is massive.

Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine:

«Більша половина окупаційних війсь ще знаходиться на правому березі Херсонщини»
(Most of the occupying forces are still on the right bank of the Kherson region)
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Old 11th Nov 2022, 18:37
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Originally Posted by dead_pan
Surprised their phones are still working after floating so far down the river. Fake?
Let's console ourselves with the thought that these were fleeing orcs drifting downstream on the wreckage of HIMARS'ed pontoons and wailing to mummy that the nasty nazi drug addicts had set them adrift...
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Old 11th Nov 2022, 18:43
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Originally Posted by ORAC
Most of the Russian occupiers stationed on the right bank of the Dnipro are still there. This force was estimated to be about 20,000. The Russians are trapped on the wrong side of destroyed bridges and crossings they no longer control.

The scale of Ukraine's victory is massive.

Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine:

«Більша половина окупаційних війсь ще знаходиться на правому березі Херсонщини»
(Most of the occupying forces are still on the right bank of the Kherson region)
Mainstream UK media say nothing of this. If true it is a stunning own goal by the orcs. I wish it to be true, but
"if it looks too good to be true, it's not true
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Old 11th Nov 2022, 18:58
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Originally Posted by ORAC [img]images/buttons/viewpost.gif[/img]
Russian paratrooper on his last order in Kherson region:
"The last order was change into civilian clothing and run in any direction you wanted"
That would be a breach of the Geneva Convention by the officers and their managers.
That surely is not right?
How can it be a breach of GC to tell your defeated troops to try to save themselves any way they can?
Surely that would also imply that an escaping PoW in civvies is beyond the GC? Numerous precedents in the European none-too distant past would suggest otherwise...


Also, before getting too euphoric about Ukraine's alleged "Great Victory" we should wait a prudent period before acknowleging this not so much a UKR 'victory' (which it isn't purely by force of arms) rather then a RUS strategic withdrawal - and pause to see where the status quo lies in a few days or week's time. Russia seldom cedes territory without a strategic plan and UKR will have great trouble following them across the river while RUS will remain able to bombard from the other side. Kherson may yet be pulverised. Ley's not let out enthuisan get the better of us. The RUS have a plan I suspect, for once. I'd be thilled if they did not but it's a bit premature to be crowing just yet.
Time will tell, and if all goes well perhaps another bridge properly dropped might even give hope for Crimea to return to civilisation.

My point is...
as we say in Norfolk, 'howd you haard bor..." (ie, don't be too hasty, lad)
Slava Ukraini.

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Old 11th Nov 2022, 18:58
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Recaptured a helicopter too.

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Old 11th Nov 2022, 19:05
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You cannot help but smile along with them.

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Old 11th Nov 2022, 19:15
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Another new Vehicle type, this time Israeli, I wonder what they will standardise on post war, they have more or less road tested the best the West has got in this type of vehicle.

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Old 11th Nov 2022, 19:43
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It all reminds me of when the Berlin Wall fell.

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Old 11th Nov 2022, 21:21
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Most of the Russian occupiers stationed on the right bank of the Dnipro are still there. This force was estimated to be about 20,000. The Russians are trapped on the wrong side of destroyed bridges and crossings they no longer control.
Could this be considered their "just reward" for not winning?
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Old 11th Nov 2022, 21:22
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QUICK THREAD on comments about Russian defense industry made by one of Russia's key military commentators, Victor Murakhovsky. He posted the following in his Telegram channel….

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...739226113.html
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Old 11th Nov 2022, 21:27
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Ukraine's New Vessel Drone Revealed: Specifications, Photos and Detailed Capabilities


https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...ties-4824.html
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Old 11th Nov 2022, 21:50
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This is NOT the "UKRAINIAN WAR", it is "VLAD'S WAR"

Originally Posted by NutLoose
It all reminds me of when the Berlin Wall fell.



https://twitter.com/thevenetiandoge/...77517729095681
and these are the people that voted 153.1% to nil to be RuZZian?

As a point off order, the media, and this forum calls this disaster the "UKRAINE WAR".

It is not

It is "VLAD'S WAR"

it is "PUTIN's WAR"

It is "THE KREMLIN'S WAR"

It is "RUSSIA'S WAR"

It is NOT Ukraines war.

Ukraine didn't attack it's neighbour breaking treaties with declaring WAR, that was Vlad, Putin, Kremlin, Russia, it was not Ukraine.

Lets call a spade a spade rather than not calling a murderous criminal enterprise by Vlad something else and giving Russia a free pass in history.


Words do matter.

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Old 11th Nov 2022, 21:56
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Originally Posted by meleagertoo
That surely is not right?
How can it be a breach of GC to tell your defeated troops to try to save themselves any way they can?
Surely that would also imply that an escaping PoW in civvies is beyond the GC? Numerous precedents in the European none-too distant past would suggest otherwise...


Also, before getting too euphoric about Ukraine's alleged "Great Victory" we should wait a prudent period before acknowleging this not so much a UKR 'victory' (which it isn't purely by force of arms) rather then a RUS strategic withdrawal - and pause to see where the status quo lies in a few days or week's time. Russia seldom cedes territory without a strategic plan and UKR will have great trouble following them across the river while RUS will remain able to bombard from the other side. Kherson may yet be pulverised. Ley's not let out enthuisan get the better of us. The RUS have a plan I suspect, for once. I'd be thilled if they did not but it's a bit premature to be crowing just yet.
Time will tell, and if all goes well perhaps another bridge properly dropped might even give hope for Crimea to return to civilisation.

My point is...
as we say in Norfolk, 'howd you haard bor..." (ie, don't be too hasty, lad)
Slava Ukraini.
Simply this: if a soldiers trades his uniform for civilian attire, he is no longer protected by the GC as a belligerent, can be shot as a spy, etc. What they should do is keep the uniform and surrender, become POW, and as such covered by the GC.
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