Is Ukraine about to have a war?
Assuming the Kerch bridge isn't currently being used to transport significant quantities of anything important (which appears to be the case), surely better to let Russia expend further time and resources on trying to fix it, and then drop it when they're done?
true, quite true. timing is everything. It is definitely time to give Ukraine the full range for the 270's to take out every rail line that crosses the occupied territory. It is past time for the Ruskis to go home. They are not fast on the uptake of the hint that Ukraine is giving them. Taking out the MSR is the fastest way to make their life miserable and get a bit of a Vlad hate mail going in revolt. That is the least amount of Ukrainians placed at direct risk.(IMHO)
Any fighting-age male is going to at least raise suspicion amongst Uke forces.
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Posted on the other JB forum, someone I cannot mention on here is petrified he is about to get topped.
As much as they build their defences along the river, Ukraine has already crossed that river further up country so the Russians are leaving themselves open to being cut off from the rear. They are also building up some pretty well built defences where they used to have the " Russian frontline border" in Crimea, Prudent yes, but it also makes you think that even Russia do not think they can hold the far bank.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/kherson?f=live
This also shows their desire, they are flying the EU flag alongside their own in Kherson. If anyone has earned a place, it is the Ukrainians.
As much as they build their defences along the river, Ukraine has already crossed that river further up country so the Russians are leaving themselves open to being cut off from the rear. They are also building up some pretty well built defences where they used to have the " Russian frontline border" in Crimea, Prudent yes, but it also makes you think that even Russia do not think they can hold the far bank.
https://twitter.com/hashtag/kherson?f=live
This also shows their desire, they are flying the EU flag alongside their own in Kherson. If anyone has earned a place, it is the Ukrainians.
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I wonder how many more like this unfortunate or should that read lucky individuals are left behind.
"We were abandoned"
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Most of the Russian occupiers stationed on the right bank of the Dnipro are still there. This force was estimated to be about 20,000. The Russians are trapped on the wrong side of destroyed bridges and crossings they no longer control.
The scale of Ukraine's victory is massive.
Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine:
«Більша половина окупаційних війсь ще знаходиться на правому березі Херсонщини»
(Most of the occupying forces are still on the right bank of the Kherson region)
The scale of Ukraine's victory is massive.
Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine:
«Більша половина окупаційних війсь ще знаходиться на правому березі Херсонщини»
(Most of the occupying forces are still on the right bank of the Kherson region)
Let's console ourselves with the thought that these were fleeing orcs drifting downstream on the wreckage of HIMARS'ed pontoons and wailing to mummy that the nasty nazi drug addicts had set them adrift...
Most of the Russian occupiers stationed on the right bank of the Dnipro are still there. This force was estimated to be about 20,000. The Russians are trapped on the wrong side of destroyed bridges and crossings they no longer control.
The scale of Ukraine's victory is massive.
Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine:
«Більша половина окупаційних війсь ще знаходиться на правому березі Херсонщини»
(Most of the occupying forces are still on the right bank of the Kherson region)
The scale of Ukraine's victory is massive.
Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine:
«Більша половина окупаційних війсь ще знаходиться на правому березі Херсонщини»
(Most of the occupying forces are still on the right bank of the Kherson region)
"if it looks too good to be true, it's not true
Quote:
Originally Posted by ORAC [img]images/buttons/viewpost.gif[/img]
Russian paratrooper on his last order in Kherson region:
"The last order was change into civilian clothing and run in any direction you wanted"
That would be a breach of the Geneva Convention by the officers and their managers.
Originally Posted by ORAC [img]images/buttons/viewpost.gif[/img]
Russian paratrooper on his last order in Kherson region:
"The last order was change into civilian clothing and run in any direction you wanted"
That would be a breach of the Geneva Convention by the officers and their managers.
How can it be a breach of GC to tell your defeated troops to try to save themselves any way they can?
Surely that would also imply that an escaping PoW in civvies is beyond the GC? Numerous precedents in the European none-too distant past would suggest otherwise...
Also, before getting too euphoric about Ukraine's alleged "Great Victory" we should wait a prudent period before acknowleging this not so much a UKR 'victory' (which it isn't purely by force of arms) rather then a RUS strategic withdrawal - and pause to see where the status quo lies in a few days or week's time. Russia seldom cedes territory without a strategic plan and UKR will have great trouble following them across the river while RUS will remain able to bombard from the other side. Kherson may yet be pulverised. Ley's not let out enthuisan get the better of us. The RUS have a plan I suspect, for once. I'd be thilled if they did not but it's a bit premature to be crowing just yet.
Time will tell, and if all goes well perhaps another bridge properly dropped might even give hope for Crimea to return to civilisation.
My point is...
as we say in Norfolk, 'howd you haard bor..." (ie, don't be too hasty, lad)
Slava Ukraini.
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Another new Vehicle type, this time Israeli, I wonder what they will standardise on post war, they have more or less road tested the best the West has got in this type of vehicle.
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It all reminds me of when the Berlin Wall fell.
Most of the Russian occupiers stationed on the right bank of the Dnipro are still there. This force was estimated to be about 20,000. The Russians are trapped on the wrong side of destroyed bridges and crossings they no longer control.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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This is NOT the "UKRAINIAN WAR", it is "VLAD'S WAR"
It all reminds me of when the Berlin Wall fell.
https://twitter.com/thevenetiandoge/...77517729095681
https://twitter.com/thevenetiandoge/...77517729095681
As a point off order, the media, and this forum calls this disaster the "UKRAINE WAR".
It is not
It is "VLAD'S WAR"
it is "PUTIN's WAR"
It is "THE KREMLIN'S WAR"
It is "RUSSIA'S WAR"
It is NOT Ukraines war.
Ukraine didn't attack it's neighbour breaking treaties with declaring WAR, that was Vlad, Putin, Kremlin, Russia, it was not Ukraine.
Lets call a spade a spade rather than not calling a murderous criminal enterprise by Vlad something else and giving Russia a free pass in history.
Words do matter.
That surely is not right?
How can it be a breach of GC to tell your defeated troops to try to save themselves any way they can?
Surely that would also imply that an escaping PoW in civvies is beyond the GC? Numerous precedents in the European none-too distant past would suggest otherwise...
Also, before getting too euphoric about Ukraine's alleged "Great Victory" we should wait a prudent period before acknowleging this not so much a UKR 'victory' (which it isn't purely by force of arms) rather then a RUS strategic withdrawal - and pause to see where the status quo lies in a few days or week's time. Russia seldom cedes territory without a strategic plan and UKR will have great trouble following them across the river while RUS will remain able to bombard from the other side. Kherson may yet be pulverised. Ley's not let out enthuisan get the better of us. The RUS have a plan I suspect, for once. I'd be thilled if they did not but it's a bit premature to be crowing just yet.
Time will tell, and if all goes well perhaps another bridge properly dropped might even give hope for Crimea to return to civilisation.
My point is...
as we say in Norfolk, 'howd you haard bor..." (ie, don't be too hasty, lad)
Slava Ukraini.
How can it be a breach of GC to tell your defeated troops to try to save themselves any way they can?
Surely that would also imply that an escaping PoW in civvies is beyond the GC? Numerous precedents in the European none-too distant past would suggest otherwise...
Also, before getting too euphoric about Ukraine's alleged "Great Victory" we should wait a prudent period before acknowleging this not so much a UKR 'victory' (which it isn't purely by force of arms) rather then a RUS strategic withdrawal - and pause to see where the status quo lies in a few days or week's time. Russia seldom cedes territory without a strategic plan and UKR will have great trouble following them across the river while RUS will remain able to bombard from the other side. Kherson may yet be pulverised. Ley's not let out enthuisan get the better of us. The RUS have a plan I suspect, for once. I'd be thilled if they did not but it's a bit premature to be crowing just yet.
Time will tell, and if all goes well perhaps another bridge properly dropped might even give hope for Crimea to return to civilisation.
My point is...
as we say in Norfolk, 'howd you haard bor..." (ie, don't be too hasty, lad)
Slava Ukraini.