Is Ukraine about to have a war?
Do you not recognise the difference between direct fire armour-piercing rounds from 100 m (?) at plates of unknown thickness and indirect fire of HE from many 000's of m impacting at any unknown angle ? Are you going to continue with this "maybe it was like this " scenario ?
Without knowing the hardness of the steel it is not possible to give an accurate assessment of the ammunition used in the video .The Rockwell hardness scale has it’s uses .
Oblique angle limits would probably be nice to give an accurate value of that ammunition in a dynamic test against moving armour.
What people say when they are beating their chests often gives insight to what they fear the most .
But sometimes it is just as Plato said ; The Empty vessel makes the loudest noise .
Oblique angle limits would probably be nice to give an accurate value of that ammunition in a dynamic test against moving armour.
What people say when they are beating their chests often gives insight to what they fear the most .
But sometimes it is just as Plato said ; The Empty vessel makes the loudest noise .
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Oh I do, but if the UKR army advances towards the reactor site and the Russians defend it, they’ll be more than enough tanks carry HEAT and APFSDS around to present a threat to any containment.
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If accurate, and the US have supplied UKR with the AGM-88, it raises the question of which aircraft they’ve also supplied capable of carrying it, acquiring and targeting a hostile radar and firing it….
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I read through the twitter thread and one person posted this link of a 'concept' modular ground launch system for AGM88 .
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...issile-concept
The article is from 4 years ago , so plenty of time to have gone from concept into some kind of production.
Even if Ukraine only received a prototype launcher , the missiles are very common , and what a great advertisement for Northrop
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There were i believe three things that were the taboo red lines and would get the west involved, nuclear, biological and chemical… shelling the plant is weaponising it and I would think crosses the redline? They could always provide long range HIMARS and tell them to cease and desist otherwise permission would be given to target Russia.
Russian atrocities once again, POW's decapitated. Has been validated to be on russian occupied territory. This must come to an end. More and better weapons must be delivered to Ukraine armed forces.
Can you explain how the system is destroyed ? These missiles home in on the radar unit which is probably hundreds of metres away from the launch vehicle, or so I believe . Or am I being too literal and destroying the detection mechanism counts as a system kill ?
Can you explain how the system is destroyed ? These missiles home in on the radar unit which is probably hundreds of metres away from the launch vehicle, or so I believe .
The initial question was about accidental under/over shoot, not whether it is possible to deliberately destroy the protection, which Ukraine certainly has no desire to do.
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Sweden is sending 120 instructor’s to the U.K. to help in the training of Ukrainians, so that’s The U.K. Netherlands, Canada and now Sweden.
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Unadulterated fascism. "Journalist" Mardan encourages authorities to, "if not shoot [Ukrainian teachers who refuse to reach in Russian], then at least burn their homes and send them to Gulags, in our good old tradition". Also asks why they didn't shoot family of non-collaborator.
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Without the ground based radars, the missiles have no early warning, fire control information or mid course guidance. Therefore as an area defence weapon they are next to useless. You may still be able to fire them at visual range targets, but what you have is a very large, very expensive active radar homing weapon with the engagement range of a MANPADS!!!
Read up on the weapon a little it has a GPS mode , and a long range > HIMARS , not sure what it would be from a ground launch.
@tartiflette , yes you are correct , they do not state 3 batteries so it could be 1 entire battery of 3 launchers , or 3 radar units from different batteries , or even 3 batteries, either way an expensive loss in $$ and capability for RF.
Without the ground based radars, the missiles have no early warning, fire control information or mid course guidance. Therefore as an area defence weapon they are next to useless. You may still be able to fire them at visual range targets, but what you have is a very large, very expensive active radar homing weapon with the engagement range of a MANPADS!!!
@tartiflette , yes you are correct , they do not state 3 batteries so it could be 1 entire battery of 3 launchers , or 3 radar units from different batteries , or even 3 batteries, either way an expensive loss in $$ and capability for RF.
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Not the person you were replying to, but by "none nuclear" you mean "non-nuclear", right? My impression when reading your original post was that the "none" was some kind of typo, so I ignored it and just assumed you meant "nuclear". Anyway, what kind of power plant was the one you were talking about in your post?
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Read up on the weapon a little it has a GPS mode , and a long range > HIMARS , not sure what it would be from a ground launch.
@tartiflette , yes you are correct , they do not state 3 batteries so it could be 1 entire battery of 3 launchers , or 3 radar units from different batteries , or even 3 batteries, either way an expensive loss in $$ and capability for RF.
I was talking about the SAM's loss of radar capability. S-300 would be screwed, The missiles need a ground based radar to work via SARH or Track via Missile guidance. It also has a command guidance mode (A TVM missile needs such a capability), S-400 with its active homing head would still be usable, but with no mid course update capability the missiles would have to be fired using lock on straight after launch which would massively reduce their range to like around 5 miles. The GPS guidance for the S-300 was a claim by the Ukrainians. I suspect the S-300 system has a ground attack mode like Nike Hercules did (standard Radar tracked command guidance).
Read up on the weapon a little it has a GPS mode , and a long range > HIMARS , not sure what it would be from a ground launch.
@tartiflette , yes you are correct , they do not state 3 batteries so it could be 1 entire battery of 3 launchers , or 3 radar units from different batteries , or even 3 batteries, either way an expensive loss in $$ and capability for RF.
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"LPR" blogger Murz on comms devices in the "republics'" armies - "everything is running out" 🧵
Text version: https://wartranslated.com/lpr-volunt...s-apocalyptic/
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Not the person you were replying to, but by "none nuclear" you mean "non-nuclear", right? My impression when reading your original post was that the "none" was some kind of typo, so I ignored it and just assumed you meant "nuclear". Anyway, what kind of power plant was the one you were talking about in your post?
I think it was near Baghdad and was a strengthened building, they launched from if I remember correctly out at sea a couple of missiles, one was to punch a hole through the building wall and the other then flew through the hole and hit the generators inside. Precision weapons hadn’t been factored into the building and up until then just about everyone wouldn’t have thought you could put another through the hole of the first.
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