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Old 27th Sep 2022, 15:17
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Neither Crimea nor Russia have been ‘officially’ attacked. We need to be clear on this. Ukraine has been scrupulous in this regard.

The reason for various fires and explosions has been kept deliberately vague, as to whether it was local resistance, infiltration teams, things launched and falling from improvised/improvised Ukrainian weapons systems, or carelessness with vodka, matches and cigaret/cigarette butts. Conditions do apply.
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 15:40
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Petroleum Safety Authority Norway gave this alert yesterday: Observations of unidentified drones/aircraft offshore

Humm....... coincidence?
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 15:44
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix
Neither Crimea nor Russia have been ‘officially’ attacked. We need to be clear on this. Ukraine has been scrupulous in this regard.
That's no longer true:

KYIV, Sept 7 (Reuters) - Ukraine's top military chief claimed responsibility on Wednesday for a series of strikes on Russian air bases on the annexed peninsula of Crimea, including one that caused devastation at the Saky military facility last month.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ea-2022-09-07/
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 15:45
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I would have described sabotaging the Nord Stream pipeline as the the very acme of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 15:53
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And the target for today is.........

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Old 27th Sep 2022, 15:55
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Originally Posted by Ninthace
I would have described sabotaging the Nord Stream pipeline as the the very acme of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
But … in a twisted mind that still represents long-term punishment for the perfidious West. If the West isn’t buying the gas anyway, it could just send another message of the West’s current dependence on Russia?

Just musing.
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 16:14
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MikeSnow above, yes, thank you for reminding me.

I did think at the time that Ukraine had finally decided to justify their attacks because so many people were by then pointing out that Crimea is in fact part of Ukraine anyway.

The point still holds regarding the borders of the proper land of Russia herself, I believe, which no one has attacked or even threatened to attack.
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 16:25
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix
MikeSnow above, yes, thank you for reminding me.

I did think at the time that Ukraine had finally decided to justify their attacks because so many people were by then pointing out that Crimea is in fact part of Ukraine anyway.

The point still holds regarding the borders of the proper land of Russia herself, I believe, which no one has attacked or even threatened to attack.
Ukraine has lobbed some munitions over the border in Russia proper as well as suspected special forces missions as well.
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 16:59
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The destruction of the Nordstream pipeline is of course 'deniable' by the Russians, (tho its unlikely to be anyone else) but it sends a signal to NATO and others to remind them that ALL types of undersea links anywhere in the world (undersea cables as well as pipelines ) are vulnerable, and could be cut should the Russians wish to escalate the Ukrainian conflict. No need for a tactical nuclear weapon, (which would cross so many red lines in so many countries) and cutting the telephone cables between Europe and the US would be far more crippling to the world economy, and the Russians could say 'wasn't us, honestly', How then does NATO respond? Troubling times indeed.
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 17:27
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An asymmetrical response isn't uncommon in war.

The drone/antidrone warfare going on in Ukraine for the past half year probably has every military in the world taking a profound interest in what they can learn.
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 17:30
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Originally Posted by lightonthewater
The destruction of the Nordstream pipeline is of course 'deniable' by the Russians, (tho its unlikely to be anyone else) but it sends a signal to NATO and others to remind them that ALL types of undersea links anywhere in the world (undersea cables as well as pipelines ) are vulnerable, and could be cut should the Russians wish to escalate the Ukrainian conflict. No need for a tactical nuclear weapon, (which would cross so many red lines in so many countries) and cutting the telephone cables between Europe and the US would be far more crippling to the world economy, and the Russians could say 'wasn't us, honestly', How then does NATO respond? Troubling times indeed.
While I agree wasn't the point of the internet that it couldn't be cut?
If you cut the comms link between the UK and USA the comms should re-route via wherever. There's also satellite. In the event of war military comms and commandeering of civvy comms would be undertaken.
Anyone remember the mobile network crashing during the London bombings? It didn't crash emergency mobile comms which have their own dedicated priority.
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 17:37
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Originally Posted by Flyhighfirst
Ukraine has lobbed some munitions over the border in Russia proper as well as suspected special forces missions as well.
Very restrained, considering the munitions raining down on innocent civilians since the war began.
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 17:50
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The point is, for those stating here that Russia has been attacked already, Ukraine has not admitted to any of the odd goings-on there, and would presumably deny any such suggestions. Until then, such claims play wittingly or unwittingly into the Russian narrative.
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 18:15
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Originally Posted by ORAC
Russian military reaches new level of hilarity as the list of items conscripts must bring themselves is EVERYTHING.

Helmet, bullet proof vest, first aid kit, sleeping bag, boots, knife..on and on..


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Old 27th Sep 2022, 18:17
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In a post about the most recent Su-34 loss, the Fighter Bomber page said there is a Russian bomber aviation regiment where every fourth crew has been shot down. Most likely, we're talking about the 559th Bomber Aviation Regiment, which prewar had 36 Su-34.
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 18:36
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Originally Posted by lightonthewater
The destruction of the Nordstream pipeline is of course 'deniable' by the Russians, (tho its unlikely to be anyone else) but it sends a signal to NATO and others to remind them that ALL types of undersea links anywhere in the world (undersea cables as well as pipelines ) are vulnerable, and could be cut should the Russians wish to escalate the Ukrainian conflict. No need for a tactical nuclear weapon, (which would cross so many red lines in so many countries) and cutting the telephone cables between Europe and the US would be far more crippling to the world economy, and the Russians could say 'wasn't us, honestly', How then does NATO respond? Troubling times indeed.
NATO could equally say they had no idea why vessels engaged in such activity were never seen again.
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 18:43
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The Armed Forces of Ukraine have started to take the first prisoners of war from the mobilized vatniks.

The time from forced conscription to POW status is one week.
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 19:04
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For jolihokistix: part of the information war. (In case any of my old USAF chums are reading: Information warfare isn't just leaflets being dropped on the enemy from aircraft, encouraging them to surrender)
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Old 27th Sep 2022, 19:54
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One Polish MEP seems happy with what has happened to Nordstream (not sure if serious or sarcastic).








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Old 27th Sep 2022, 20:59
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Oops "Russian Pantsir-S2 system malfunctions"

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...eb2x&context=3
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