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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

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Old 27th Aug 2022, 03:04
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You can’t make this bum happy. Thank you for showing intelligence and sensitivity. It reminds us that this is not a mere athletic competition.
Not sure why the other are disappointed that there was no death porn linked. Theres plenty of telegram channels that have it if thats what they wanted
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Old 27th Aug 2022, 06:34
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The links are suppressed by the site fronted because a fullsize preview graphics panel is shown. Embedded in the post like the YouTube videos.

If that preview panel does not load (ISP restrictions, VPNs or not VPNs), a perfectly blank space is what you get.
The links used to show up for me, now they don't and I haven't changed any settings. They do show up if I copy and paste the whole post text.
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Old 27th Aug 2022, 07:45
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
More satellite views of the main Kherson bridge and the damage so far.

https://twitter.com/ArtisanalAPT/sta...67758061948930
This image is from today, the lower one the 21st





Does show the accuracy of modern weapons. I fear the next war will be focused on space. Knock out the GPS satellite systems.
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Old 27th Aug 2022, 07:46
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So the next war will be drone, 3D printed, space and nuclear power station focused?
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Old 27th Aug 2022, 08:51
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The links used to show up for me, now they don't and I haven't changed any settings. They do show up if I copy and paste the whole post text.
The links show if you use Safari or the CCleaner browsers.
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Old 27th Aug 2022, 08:58
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So the next war will be drone, 3D printed, space and nuclear power station focused?
The next war (as always) will be he one that was not armed, planned or trained for.

If we are unlucky, the one after that will be fought with clubs and spears.
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Old 27th Aug 2022, 09:46
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Ukraine helicopter low level, looks like under wires too

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Old 27th Aug 2022, 09:52
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Is this a build up or just reporting what is known?

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Old 27th Aug 2022, 10:38
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Is Putrid about to throw his last dice?
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More on the threat.

https://twitter.com/search?q=Russia%20helicopter&src=typed_query&f=live

https://endtimeheadlines.org/2022/08/russia-masses-more-than-400-planes-and-360-helicopters-on-border-with-ukraine/

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Old 27th Aug 2022, 11:57
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“China calls on Putin to end Russian roulette at Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant in Ukraine after disaster near-miss. When China is speaking up, you know it’s serious.”…
https://apple.news/AOXQg4sceQgWu4jnmiiv-EQ
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Old 27th Aug 2022, 12:30
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The MOD is utterly incompetent at (a) negotiating a contract and (b) managing a project development. From the other side of the fence, they are an almost bottomless money pit, but it makes at least some ex-RAF people in industry have guilty feelings for those serving, and for taxpayers.
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Great! Please then tell us what the answer is if they can:

a) No longer initiate new programmes
b) no longer negotiate any programmes
Expatriate the whole she-bang to ..............................whom ?
1. Better contract negotiation by reversing the trend of industry stealing from the forces; poach contract negotiators who are versed in the ways of inserting the keys to the money pit when writing a contract.
2 Use the end users advice better when writing the specification, rather than having it hacked down to save money by the Treasury civil servant accountants.
3. Buy the best match to the spec, rather than politicise the buying decision.
4. Ruthless holding the manufacturer to fulfilling the contract and meeting the spec

The cost would be far lower than the billions wasted later.

That might be a start. Sorry for thread drift, but seeing the trickery and disregard for responsibility to the taxpayer on the one hand, and when looking back at doing the job with the tools at our disposal makes me a bit cross.
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Old 27th Aug 2022, 14:24
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“China calls on Putin to end Russian roulette at Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant in Ukraine after disaster near-miss. When China is speaking up, you know it’s serious.”…
https://apple.news/AOXQg4sceQgWu4jnmiiv-EQ
China is downwind...
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Old 27th Aug 2022, 17:37
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Ukraine MOD came out with a wish list of FJ's.
To play around with the idea the Gripen would be an interesting option for Ukraine: did well in latest tenders being the runner up (Finland, Canada), easy to maintain (advertised to require just two conscripts to turn around on a highway base) and already NATO compatible. Just a small hickup is the very low number made, who'd send their AC's on a short notice? Czech needs their to cover Slovakia due to Slovakia sending their mig29's to Ukraine. Hungary has only 12+2. South Africa has 17. So unless Czech gets their F35's very fast and Sweden sends their fleet it's a no go.

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Old 27th Aug 2022, 17:59
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Originally Posted by Beamr
Ukraine MOD came out with a wish list of FJ's.
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The end product of peacetime, pared down, forces. Will we all ever learn that Defence is not an option, but essential, and has to be properly and fully resourced against all possible adverse scenarios? Meanwhile, in the Treasury ...
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Old 27th Aug 2022, 18:13
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The end product of peacetime, pared down, forces. Will we all ever learn that Defence is not an option, but essential, and has to be properly and fully resourced against all possible adverse scenarios? Meanwhile, in the Treasury ...
I've not heard of any countries upping production? Would it not be prudent to get some orders in now for more stuff. We must have exhausted quite a lot already.
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Old 27th Aug 2022, 18:56
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Does show the accuracy of modern weapons. I fear the next war will be focused on space. Knock out the GPS satellite systems.
It’s why the US is looking at celestial navigation as stars can’t be hacked or destroyed.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...al-navigation/

https://www.gps.gov/governance/advis...8-12/laine.pdf

Knocking out GPS satellites however would effect both sides.
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Old 27th Aug 2022, 19:22
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The end product of peacetime, pared down, forces. Will we all ever learn that Defence is not an option, but essential, and has to be properly and fully resourced against all possible adverse scenarios?
Nope, we will never learn, because the kind of long term vision needed to invest in maintaining a viable military requires politicians who actually care enough to risk personal political capital to do the right thing…..
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Old 27th Aug 2022, 19:53
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
It’s why the US is looking at celestial navigation as stars can’t be hacked or destroyed.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...al-navigation/

https://www.gps.gov/governance/advis...8-12/laine.pdf

Knocking out GPS satellites however would effect both sides.
Is this idea applicable only to aircraft or would the technology be integrated with warheads?

I note in the Draper slides that only lines of position from two different celestial bodies are required to determine position. But unless the relative azimuths are ideal (90 degrees) and error sources are zero or ignored, it’s been a better practice to have at least three LOPs from bodies roughly 120 degrees azimuth apart, in order to triangulate and minimize contributions of systematic error.

I don’t know the technology, but I suppose they have a way of observing stars even in daytime.
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Old 27th Aug 2022, 19:56
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Originally Posted by Beamr
Ukraine MOD came out with a wish list of FJ's.
To play around with the idea the Gripen would be an interesting option for Ukraine: did well in latest tenders being the runner up (Finland, Canada), easy to maintain (advertised to require just two conscripts to turn around on a highway base) and already NATO compatible. Just a small hickup is the very low number made, who'd send their AC's on a short notice? Czech needs their to cover Slovakia due to Slovakia sending their mig29's to Ukraine. Hungary has only 12+2. South Africa has 17. So unless Czech gets their F35's very fast and Sweden sends their fleet it's a no go.
South africa cant even afford to maintain their gripens. UK is looking to dispose of thier tranche 1 block 5 eurofighters. These dont have any air to ground capability except paveways, still great for actual airdefence so might be considered a non step to far
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