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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 4th Aug 2022, 22:16
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Well this went well.

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Old 4th Aug 2022, 22:45
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When you think how we treat our military dead, flown home in coffins under the flag and treated with the utmost respect they deserve, then see the Russian way.. stacked in crates and chained down….

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Old 4th Aug 2022, 23:06
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Originally Posted by Wokkafans
Speculation this is the same vessel - usual caveats apply.

https://twitter.com/CovertShores/sta...JDWTCOjy0KNGdw
It’s supposed to be further north Nr Kherson and it looks like it’s on land, they have had fires on the spit recently. It is also in the direction of Ochakiv which is the Ukrainian naval base.



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Poetic justice.

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Originally Posted by ORAC
About that plan of shipping Ukrainian wheat via the Danube-Rhine canal to the North Sea ports….



CHART OF THE DAY: Rhine barge costs beyond the chokepoint of Kaub are rising very fast, approaching the record high set during the 2018 drought.

Kaub water gauge stands at 62cm (down from 150cm in early July), and set to drop to 45cm by weekend. Below 40-35cm barge traffic stops…
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Yed that is definitely a problem and it’s been dry in Central Europe. Also a lot of barges on coal traffic at the moment as well for the obvious reason.

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Old 5th Aug 2022, 09:20
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The Canadian's are coming, Canada sending 225 personnel to the UK to help train the Ukrainians.

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Old 5th Aug 2022, 10:05
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Drones are really changing the way war is fought. How to protect troops from drones will be in the "very urgent acquisition list" of probably every army on earth. All one needs is a drone with some payload capability and a release servo, pick a grenade of your choice and off you go.


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Old 5th Aug 2022, 10:47
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With mates like that eh?
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Old 5th Aug 2022, 11:46
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Originally Posted by Beamr
Drones are really changing the way war is fought. How to protect troops from drones will be in the "very urgent acquisition list" of probably every army on earth. All one needs is a drone with some payload capability and a release servo, pick a grenade of your choice and off you go.

https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/...74737547149313

and this

https://twitter.com/LXSummer1/status...26674928779265
The answer is hunter-killer drones. We are at 1914 in the drone war.


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Old 5th Aug 2022, 11:56
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Perhaps wrap these around the grenades they drop from drones or simply drop them by the boxload over troops or trenches as per WW1.

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Old 5th Aug 2022, 12:04
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
The Canadian's are coming, Canada sending 225 personnel to the UK to help train the Ukrainians.
Still can't understand why we/they don't set up training camps in the likes of Poland and Romania, rather than shipping these troops across the breadth of Europe. They could also double up for R+R.
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It's probably easier to bring the troops to the set up training infrastructure than to take the infrastructure to the troops, remember some of the things involved are the likes of the urban / combat village set up that the UK has for training troops in house to house combat and the military driving ranges to teach them on the vehicles provided.. you can possibly deliver them to the UK on the probably empty return aid and munitions delivery flights.
It also brings them together out of area and lets them knit as a team as well as being a huge moral boost for some of them that will never have been abroad as such?


North Macedonia is providing 4 SU25's they have in store, well done for such a small Country.

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Old 5th Aug 2022, 14:43
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Originally Posted by dead_pan
Still can't understand why we/they don't set up training camps in the likes of Poland and Romania, rather than shipping these troops across the breadth of Europe. They could also double up for R+R.
Had been asking myself the same. There is a lot of commitment for the UKR cause in the ex-soviet pact countries.

Possible answers
- the 'western' English speaking media don't inform us about the activities in Poland, Romania, Czechoslovakia et. al.
- given its economical power and size of the millitary, the UK might be the best choice on the continent (ehm) for purely technical reasons. (again, not to mention we don't know what support the French and others provide)
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Also the UK offered to utilise one should imagine their spare capacity, the Netherlands and Canada have offered and are joining in too provide UK based training..

And let's face it, after Ti****th, anywhere would be better, even the frontline.
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Old 5th Aug 2022, 16:25
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Originally Posted by FlightDetent
Had been asking myself the same. There is a lot of commitment for the UKR cause in the ex-soviet pact countries.

Possible answers
- the 'western' English speaking media don't inform us about the activities in Poland, Romania, Czechoslovakia et. al.
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...or the extent of Russian undercover activities. Alongside those in Russia's pay there may be locals who are sympathetic to their cause, such as it is.
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Old 5th Aug 2022, 16:30
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
And let's face it, after Ti****th, anywhere would be better, even the frontline.
A Friday night out in Aldershot would be an authentic training experience IMO, what with all those drunk squaddies
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Originally Posted by dead_pan
A Friday night out in Aldershot would be an authentic training experience IMO, what with all those drunk squaddies
Standing outside one of the many Aldershot pubs with a "No Squaddies" sign in the window, we ventured in.. late seventies the haircuts were a dead give away, "Sorry Lads, No Squaddies " comes from behind the bar.. "But we are RAF" we replied.. "Oh come on in, what are you drinking?" was the reply..
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Naive but honest question from a non mil person: With the accuracy of weapons now at the UA's disposal, can't RF artillery and/or missile launchers (using the nuclear plant as cover) be targeted without any significant danger to the plant?
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Old 5th Aug 2022, 16:47
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Naive but honest question from a non mil person: With the accuracy of weapons now at the UA's disposal, can't RF artillery and/or missile launchers (using the nuclear plant as cover) be targeted without any significant danger to the plant?
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