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Old 11th Aug 2022, 13:18
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A seriously ‘light-hearted’ view of Ukraine; the power of drawing / painting.
and click on + 4

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Old 11th Aug 2022, 15:02
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Old 11th Aug 2022, 15:48
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Originally Posted by ORAC
DEVELOPING: Explosions have been reported at the Zyabrivka air base in Belarus.
Now he has a problem. If it was to take out assets in Belarus, does he now send Russian troops / assets to bolster those in Belarus which he can only in a short period of time really take from the Donbas thus weakening that front even more? or does he shuttle some all the way back up from the Kherson region, again weakening that front. If indeed they have taken out his radar capability in the region he is rapidly becoming blind and his long range missile attacks will be diminished...
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Old 11th Aug 2022, 16:48
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Originally Posted by MFC_Fly
An SF hit looks most likely to me. Come in by sea, head to the one place where there are a lot of high-value targets seen on previous sat imagery, lots of concealment with all the earth berms, work around the loop and head back the way you came in.
Most clips appear to show fire / smoke prior to the larger blasts of what I assume was fuel and or ordnance, pure speculation; but I would prefer to stay sat on the beach and crack open a party pack of well placed drones, rather than risk my 99 melting during what would have been a somewhat hazardous round trip.

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Old 11th Aug 2022, 17:10
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Either way, say it was SF it gets the Russians wasting time hunting a possible bogus team and committing resources and worrying the populace, say it was missiles and they will need to commit AD around prime targets unaware of what hit it and it’s range.. win win either way.
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Old 11th Aug 2022, 17:44
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Either way, say it was SF it gets the Russians wasting time hunting a possible bogus team and committing resources and worrying the populace, say it was missiles and they will need to commit AD around prime targets unaware of what hit it and it’s range.. win win either way.
Even if the Russians are publicly saying this was only a bus back-firing, they will still be able to search for fragments to identify any foreign material, although this may well be significantly complicated if there are tons of exploded Russian ordnance. It's very interesting that there is this strange media stand-off where the Russians can't/don't want to admit this could really be the Ukrainains striking deep into the Crimea and the Ukrainians are saying several different things including the clumsy Russian with his cigarette.
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Old 11th Aug 2022, 18:52
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The Ukrainian 93rd brigade hunting down a Russian tank using a buggy armed with a Javelin, followed by a top view from a drone after the attack. Apols for the music.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...eb2x&context=3

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Says it all

https://deadline.com/2022/07/ukraine...ry-1235057663/


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And the other side of the hedge is……

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Old 11th Aug 2022, 19:44
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Difficult to know the context from these short twitter drone-clips but we keep seeing these individual Russian tanks running around, apparently aimlessly, before succumbing to the forces of Ukraine, or sometimes just to the force of the landscape. I'm not suggesting they are staged (the graphic nature sometimes speaks to that), but does any Armour-SME out there have any comment on the tactical doctrine of having isolated tanks, with no apparent support, bombing around the country? Where is the rest of the troop? Where is the infantry?
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Old 11th Aug 2022, 19:57
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
And the other side of the hedge is……
...damn!!! thought those things could stop and turn on a dime... maybe not.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/dup...dne_base_near/

Moscow needs no smoking lamp...
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Old 11th Aug 2022, 20:46
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Russia's got a problem.
There must be millions of ethnic Ukrainis living all over Russia, and if they can be enthused to set up local resistance networks and carry out sabotge like this all over Russia as seems to be becoming more common then Vlad the Putain has yet more to explain to his ever credulous but surely not forever credulous population?

This is surely the ultimate proof of the concept that in war what really matters is not the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog?

Go! Ukraine!
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https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraina/com...orcs_gathered/

Tragic..but kinda funny
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https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/08/11/7362860/

According to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, about 30-40% of generals and officers of the Russian Federation who planned the war against Ukraine are under investigation in Russia.
...not tragic and very hilarious
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Old 11th Aug 2022, 22:07
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I called this on day one of the invasion, Putin was never going to win. The west could not afford to let him on all sorts of levels. Think about it.

The West, well Boris and Biden, the Poles, the Dutch and the Czechs and a few others, having decided that they could not let Ukraine lose, they had two choices, mobilise and march into Ukraine with all guns blazing, risking nuclear war with the Ruskies, or fight a proxy war, supply the Ukrainians with whatever it takes and let them fight the war for. you hoping the Ruskies would not go nuclear.

I did think at one point it would go nuclear, it still might and at another point that the west had to step in with troops to stop those murdering, raping, looting Russian bastards from harming any more civilians, but the supply of "whatever it takes" weapons seems to have stabilised the situation.

Zelenski is probably the best war leader since Churchill and Ukraine will kick the Russians out of their country. Putin will be finished, it is just a matter of time.

The Russians are going to pay for the reconstruction of Ukraine and a lot more in reparations. Russia will be bankrupt financially and morally for the next millennium, if not forever.

Slava Ukraini

Edited to add... Do you seriously think we would have let the Nazis march up Whitehall in 1940 and take over? The Ukrainians are as determined as we were to prevent an invader taking over.
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Old 11th Aug 2022, 22:20
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Originally Posted by WB627
Do you seriously think we would have let the Nazis march up Whitehall in 1940 and take over?
About 10 years ago, I had the privilege of seeing the late, great Warren Clarke playing Churchill in "Three Days in May", a dramatisation of events in 1940 when Britain teetered on the brink of giving in to Hitler.

I can't vouch for how historically accurate it was, but by all accounts it was a close-run thing.
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Old 11th Aug 2022, 22:54
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I called this on day one of the invasion, Putin was never going to win. The west could not afford to let him on all sorts of levels. Think about it.

The West, well Boris and Biden, the Poles, the Dutch and the Czechs and a few others, having decided that they could not let Ukraine lose, they had two choices, mobilise and march into Ukraine with all guns blazing, risking nuclear war with the Ruskies, or fight a proxy war, supply the Ukrainians with whatever it takes and let them fight the war for. you hoping the Ruskies would not go nuclear.

I did think at one point it would go nuclear, it still might and at another point that the west had to step in with troops to stop those murdering, raping, looting Russian bastards from harming any more civilians, but the supply of "whatever it takes" weapons seems to have stabilised the situation.

Zelenski is probably the best war leader since Churchill and Ukraine will kick the Russians out of their country. Putin will be finished, it is just a matter of time.

The Russians are going to pay for the reconstruction of Ukraine and a lot more in reparations. Russia will be bankrupt financially and morally for the next millennium, if not forever.

Slava Ukraini

Edited to add... Do you seriously think we would have let the Nazis march up Whitehall in 1940 and take over? The Ukrainians are as determined as we were to prevent an invader taking over.
Very much agree that Zelensky is a top notch war leader, running circles around Putin, who seems to have decided that his best option was to appear the remote autocrat, not a winning stance imho when the plan goes pear shaped.
That said, Zelensky has the huge advantage of guaranteed supply of money and material, the US and NATO are picking up that tab. His job is to keep the people engaged, which he is doing superbly. The Russian press mocks him as a comedian, but he has his finger on the pulse much better than Putin's press crew. What is not clear is what price in blood Ukraine is paying, whether they are able to sustain the losses going forward.
There is a fine book 'The Audit of War' by
Correlli Barnett Correlli Barnett
, which lays out in some detail the way that the war laid bare the shortcomings of the pre WW2 British economy. Imho, Putin's Russia is experiencing a similar shock, a wire brush audit of the state of Russia's economy now that the western technical inputs are withdrawn.
What is surprising is that the regime in Russia does not appear to be taking this seriously. Russia is losing the war and the leadership response is not mobilization, but to recruit convicts from the prisons. This is a continuation of the penny pinching technique that has been the bane of Russia's Ukraine invasion from day 1, when they attacked a 200,000 strong armed force with about 130,000. The concern is of course that the leadership is blind to the actual state of affairs and will throw in their nuclear forces to force a conclusion once they realize the true state of affairs.
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Old 11th Aug 2022, 23:14
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It's amazing how drones and highly accurate artillery have changed the battle field. Soldiers there must know they are being watched; most positions are known. With the intel provided by the west and long range accurate rockets we're seeing a LOT of Russian officers killed; how long can this go on for the Russians? I would expect push back from the troops....
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