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Old 2nd Sep 2022, 20:49
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I once again had to call on the runway sweeper-truck to remove the political FOD material from the Mil Av thread runway.
Please take your political points, many of which are very intriguing, to the Jet Blast thread.
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Old 2nd Sep 2022, 22:27
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Originally Posted by ORAC
Having cut it for a few days for “maintenance”, Russia has now cut off Nord Stream 1 “indefinitely.

A reaction to the high level of reserves reported by Germany and the drastic fall in price yesterday as a result….
and in such an action are cutting their own throats and their war funding.

in the meantime a sign of the desperation felt in Kherson since the bridges were cut, attempting to resupply, although limited by helicopter.


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Old 3rd Sep 2022, 00:06
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Remember the supposed attack on the Nuclear plant, Russia has released images of the immaculately dressed Ukrainian dead without a sign of a wound on any of them, with the usual Nazi badges, American dollars lol etc.. while carefully avoiding showing their faces etc, some of them appear to have a remarkable healthy colour to them for dead people too.



https://twitter.com/GalileoArms/stat...28665303932934

Also about the inspection, I hope the inspectors had the presence of mind to bring sat phones with them

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato...nergoatom.html
Amazing, no blood at all and all the American dollars are fresh and haven't even been folded! Who knew war was so clean? Maybe the Russkies laundered the money.......
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Old 3rd Sep 2022, 00:45
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Originally Posted by Winemaker
Amazing, no blood at all and all the American dollars are fresh and haven't even been folded! Who knew war was so clean? Maybe the Russkies laundered the money.......
Now the russians are claiming it was made by ukrainian's, then posted it to russian telegrams, so that the obviously fake videos would discredit russia

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Old 3rd Sep 2022, 01:22
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Originally Posted by Winemaker
Amazing, no blood at all and all the American dollars are fresh and haven't even been folded! Who knew war was so clean? Maybe the Russkies laundered the money.......
They apparently laundered the uniforms, washed the bodies, brought them back to life, the normal things, neatly hid the actors faces..
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I've had the unfortunate displeasure of seeing a drowned person, and none of those allegedly "drowned to reservoir" troops have been anywhere near water. Not the dollars, passports, clothes or the actors.
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The bayraktars are in the air in Kherson. Apparently Russian air defence or air force aren't doing much since these can freely roam the current weight area of the war.

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Old 3rd Sep 2022, 09:01
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Originally Posted by T28B
I once again had to call on the runway sweeper-truck to remove the political FOD material from the Mil Av thread runway.
Please take your political points, many of which are very intriguing, to the Jet Blast thread.
Thank you all in advance.
Respect for the work you are doing T28B. Lot's are going on in this current war.
Many people wanting their say...

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Old 3rd Sep 2022, 10:53
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"Civilians in a bus pass by a Russian PANTSIR S-1 after a visit from an AGM-88 HARM the night before - Oleshki, Kherson Oblast"

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...eb2x&context=3
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Old 3rd Sep 2022, 10:54
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What stocks likely to be held on west bank of Dnipro ?

Just asking for people's opinion of how many supplies will have been stock-piled to support Russian troops. There are - for me - many pro/contra points.

The area was clearly at risk of being cut-off, so does that mean you pour in more or less supplies? Logically since the troop contingent was reinforced, it would be reasonable to increase supplies, but at the same time the whole area is within range of UKR weapons and they have been successful in destroying supply dumps. Speculating - with no military experience - I would not expect large supply-dumps so close to the front-lines (maybe enough for a few days ), but that should mean that the Russian forces will be out of food, ammo and perhaps fuel by mid-week. I have read the post speaking of supply by helicopter, that seems a truly risky and completely inadequate measure when there are 25 000 troops and heavy armaments involved.
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Old 3rd Sep 2022, 11:46
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
Just asking for people's opinion of how many supplies will have been stock-piled to support Russian troops. There are - for me - many pro/contra points.

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A difficult question that I believe no one has a correct answer at the moment. What were they expecting or preparing for? I.e. Did they expect the bridges being cut off or not? Were they preparing for an assault towards Odessa or just fortifying where they were? Were they counting on air superiority that has not happened. What is the mix of those 25k troops? Were they counting on troops living out of the occupied territory?
Too many variables, but I believe based on information available that whatever they had will be on short supply.
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No comment necessary - one of many.

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Originally Posted by Wokkafans
No comment necessary - one of many.
As I don't understand a word of it, I'm assuming the lost youth of too many.
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Evidence confirming they dropped the Dam road bridge into the shipping channel.

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From the New York Times just now:
KYIV, Ukraine — Shelling once again threatened the safe operation of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, even as United Nations officials expressed cautious optimism that a permanent presence of its inspectors at the plant was helping to lower the risk of a nuclear disaster.

The plant lost the connection with its last remaining main external power line after shelling on Friday evening, forcing engineers to rely on a lower-voltage reserve line to power the cooling equipment needed to prevent meltdowns, the International Atomic Energy Agency said in statment.

Nuclear power plants must sometimes rely on external power drawn from the grid to cool the reactor cores and spent fuel. If the external power lines are cut, the Zaporizhzhia plant must turn to backup diesel generators, and if those malfunction or run out of fuel, a meltdown becomes possible.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/09...ng-the-un-says
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Negotiations between Ukraine and the United States on the provision of ATACMS missiles for the Himars MLRS were only a cover - at this time, Kyiv received an unnamed number of JFS-M missiles from Germany, which have a target engagement range of up to 499 kilometers. This is stated by a number of independent sources both in Ukraine and in Germany, moreover, the very transfer of such weapons was previously indirectly voiced by German Chancellor Scholz, stating that the Armed Forces of Ukraine require modern missiles.
https://avia-pro.net/news/ukraina-po...shoy-dalnostyu

Stoking the fires?
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Originally Posted by BlankBox
Stoking the fires?
Most likely complete and total rubbish, the german missile announced just last year it was still 3-5 years away from testing. They are behind PrSM which has a least had some test shots
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Originally Posted by rattman
Most likely complete and total rubbish, the german missile announced just last year it was still 3-5 years away from testing. They are behind PrSM which has a least had some test shots
The source article linked goes on to say
At the moment, neither the circumstances of the receipt of German JFS-M missiles by Ukraine, nor their total number remain unknown, however, given that we are talking about low-observable cruise missiles, with their official strike range of up to 499 kilometers, such weapons are very serious threat, as it allows strikes in the rear.

which reads like rubbish. Too many double negatives to make sense!


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Old 4th Sep 2022, 10:44
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
and in such an action are cutting their own throats and their war funding.

in the meantime a sign of the desperation felt in Kherson since the bridges were cut, attempting to resupply, although limited by helicopter.

https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/stat...52685869031425
Didn't work well for Von Paulus in '42.

The Luftwaffe was unable to fulfil the promises of capability for uplift that Goering made to the Putin muse, Governor Tarkin Hitler.
The Luftwaffe’s Aerial Resupply of the Sixth Army at Stalingrad

The 6th Army required around 900 tons/day. they got barely 10% of that. [averaged 114.6 tons/day). Russian forces on the "Right" bank (a term recently learnt) are predominantly mechanised, so their needs in supplies are much higher per person than the amount that was unsupportable in 42. For 25,000 troops, which are around 30 BTGs assuming full strength... their daily needs per person are estimated as 440lbs/soldier/day... 0.2 Tons/soldier/day. That's... 5,000tons resupply/day for the Redex's. An Mi-17 carries... about... 4 ton internally, 5 ton sling, but of course external kind of makes transit speed suuuuuck. Giving the Redskins the benefit of the doubt, they carry 5Ton/chalk, 2 copters per mission, and flying constant, around the clock... thats... 1,000 flight, being 500 missions with 2 choppers.... 42 flights per hour... 21 missions of 2 choppers per hour... say 20 minutes to load 5 tons, 10 minutes to offload, 10 minute transits each way from a forward depot.... (which would be under attack fairly promptly... ) thats... roughly 36 Mi-17s operating around the clock. double that for 12 hrs ops per chopper per day... 72 machines. At any time there would be 4 being loaded, 2 outbound, 2 unloading, 2 inbound, and a couple being refuelled. That is about 1/3rd of the number needed to lift the payload. That is looking like a gaggle, and gaggles attract duck hunters, would be Mi - open season I would think.





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