Is Ukraine about to have a war?
I am amazed that they have done as much as they have so far, but time is of the essence. A day late and a dollar short will put an emboldened Putin on their doorstep (well, Poland's, Hungary, Moldova... and no matter how frustrating Hungary's ultra-right position has been they may regret that with a friend like Putin sitting in the lead of tanks parked in front of the Országház. Was never a big fan of the domino principle, it seemed far-fetched back in OTS, but, Putin has a stated intent, and that impacts Western Europe as it is presently drawn.
Putin bristles over the UF being given any extended range systems, while he invaded a sovereign nation with over 180,000 troops, 2,500 ballistic and cruise missiles, and as yet not a single window pane has been broken in his Krimmin. And the West worries about not "offending" him? Putin is an offensive, criminal, heading up a criminal gang that has pillaged Russia for 22 years in the continuous abuse of the Russian citizens, a long-established tradition of abuse going back to pre-Tzarist Russia. He has amassed a fortune by plundering the future of his nation, and now throws the nation's youth into a meat grinder of his egotistic discretionary war, that risks global famine that will be forever linked to his name and the shame that is Russia's for acquiescing to this evil git. the risks exist from him and him alone, and the choice is whether the west supports courageous efforts to suppress Putins outrageous behavior, or defers it to Polish, German and Baltic lands in the near future.
Now it is inconceivable that Russia has the conventional forces to push westwards anytime soon, and I suspect that as the new North Korea, that will take a while to change, but being subservient to the conventional threat merely emboldens his nuclear threats following on later.
So, Germany, France, decide where you want the war fought, within Ukraine or on your land, those are the stark choices should appeasement occur, which is a short step from worrying about "offending" a murderous sociopath bent on hegemony.
"In my humble opinion...", E&OE
Putin bristles over the UF being given any extended range systems, while he invaded a sovereign nation with over 180,000 troops, 2,500 ballistic and cruise missiles, and as yet not a single window pane has been broken in his Krimmin. And the West worries about not "offending" him? Putin is an offensive, criminal, heading up a criminal gang that has pillaged Russia for 22 years in the continuous abuse of the Russian citizens, a long-established tradition of abuse going back to pre-Tzarist Russia. He has amassed a fortune by plundering the future of his nation, and now throws the nation's youth into a meat grinder of his egotistic discretionary war, that risks global famine that will be forever linked to his name and the shame that is Russia's for acquiescing to this evil git. the risks exist from him and him alone, and the choice is whether the west supports courageous efforts to suppress Putins outrageous behavior, or defers it to Polish, German and Baltic lands in the near future.
Now it is inconceivable that Russia has the conventional forces to push westwards anytime soon, and I suspect that as the new North Korea, that will take a while to change, but being subservient to the conventional threat merely emboldens his nuclear threats following on later.
So, Germany, France, decide where you want the war fought, within Ukraine or on your land, those are the stark choices should appeasement occur, which is a short step from worrying about "offending" a murderous sociopath bent on hegemony.
"In my humble opinion...", E&OE
Your suggestion of US flagged ships or some similar plan is what is needed and the west needs to park this Putin offending rubbish once and for all.
FWIW, posted about that here. Will check the news and see if there's a change to that. Here is an article covering this possible change in the state of play, and some of the worries/risks.
The Russo-Turkish plan would allow for removal of mines near Odesa and guarantee safe passage for ships out of the Black Sea, under the auspices of the UN, the people said. Turkey, which has sought for months to mediate in the conflict, aims to set up a center in Istanbul to monitor and coordinate the shipments. Ukraine hasn’t participated directly in the talks, according to an official there.
“By commenting in advance on reaching the deal, Russia is seeking to shift responsibility to Ukraine” for disrupting supplies, Taras Kachka, Ukraine’s Deputy Economy Minister, said in a text message. “But the fact remains that the food crisis has been artificially created by Russia and Russia alone.”
Russia is also demanding the ability to inspect ships going to Ukraine for weapons, a condition Kyiv has resisted.
“By commenting in advance on reaching the deal, Russia is seeking to shift responsibility to Ukraine” for disrupting supplies, Taras Kachka, Ukraine’s Deputy Economy Minister, said in a text message. “But the fact remains that the food crisis has been artificially created by Russia and Russia alone.”
Russia is also demanding the ability to inspect ships going to Ukraine for weapons, a condition Kyiv has resisted.
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Whoa, possible game-changer, Spain looking at providing 40 Leopard 2A4’s plus anti air missiles.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...e_systems.html
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...e_systems.html
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All original Soviet factory made Mosin's, some freshly out of 60+ year storage.
The Soviets/Russian's never scrap anything, they even still have storage facilities full of crated refurbed captured German K98k's that they put through Soviet factory rebuild programs in the late 40's and early 50's.....
All original Soviet factory made Mosin's, some freshly out of 60+ year storage.
The Soviets/Russian's never scrap anything, they even still have storage facilities full of crated refurbed captured German K98k's that they put through Soviet factory rebuild programs in the late 40's and early 50's.....
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They are excellent weapons and I think rechambered to a larger round.
https://sofrep.com/news/the-mosin-na...s-well-better/
https://sofrep.com/news/the-mosin-na...s-well-better/
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All original Soviet factory made Mosin's, some freshly out of 60+ year storage.
The Soviets/Russian's never scrap anything, they even still have storage facilities full of crated refurbed captured German K98k's that they put through Soviet factory rebuild programs in the late 40's and early 50's.....
All original Soviet factory made Mosin's, some freshly out of 60+ year storage.
The Soviets/Russian's never scrap anything, they even still have storage facilities full of crated refurbed captured German K98k's that they put through Soviet factory rebuild programs in the late 40's and early 50's.....
Where those local troops seems to have been short changed is in the all important aspect of training.
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Usual caveat applies i.e. if Germany agrees....
No rush , the Russians will still be there next year .
It is a trap they cannot get out off without escalation.
Fabius strategy in play . Be patient , death will come soon enough and all we can do is smile back .
It is a trap they cannot get out off without escalation.
Fabius strategy in play . Be patient , death will come soon enough and all we can do is smile back .
They've been chambered in 7.62 x 54 mm for donkey's years - that was the standard Soviet round of WW2.
The major problem with the Mosin is the bolt design makes it very difficult to fire rapid (unlike, say, the Lee Enfield).
The major problem with the Mosin is the bolt design makes it very difficult to fire rapid (unlike, say, the Lee Enfield).
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All original Soviet factory made Mosin's, some freshly out of 60+ year storage.
The Soviets/Russian's never scrap anything, they even still have storage facilities full of crated refurbed captured German K98k's that they put through Soviet factory rebuild programs in the late 40's and early 50's.....
All original Soviet factory made Mosin's, some freshly out of 60+ year storage.
The Soviets/Russian's never scrap anything, they even still have storage facilities full of crated refurbed captured German K98k's that they put through Soviet factory rebuild programs in the late 40's and early 50's.....
i think you'll find the question is tongue-in-cheek due to the typo "hoisin ". The habit of never scrapping any(thing doesn't work when the material stored requires maintenance/inspection which it doesn't get e.g; trucks with rotted tyres, tanks robbed of items that can be sold.
Would like to say it was a pun, but alas it was spellcheck and resistance to wearing reading glasses. The M1891 was made by many different armories and manufacturers, even Remmington. Used by many countries. over more than a century, but it has one odd bolt action, and a 5 round stripper-fed fixed box mag. It was an effective sniper rifle even with the awkward bolt. China did use them, without Hoisin sauce. For a range day, they are fine but handing them out for LPR/DPR to reservists being required to lead assaults is either cynical or desperate. Surplus AK-47s abound, yet the troops are given (un-sauced) bolt action relics. Still, would be happy if they were giving out rail tickets to Moscow instead.
Almost all the photo's I've seen of the pro-Russian separatist forces carrying Mosin's, and they've all been the Mosin sniper version fitted with the PU scope's, and thus its not quite the same thing.
A PU scoped Mosin in 7.62x54R will still be an effective sniper weapon at 400-600m range, in the absence of anything newer.
A PU scoped Mosin in 7.62x54R will still be an effective sniper weapon at 400-600m range, in the absence of anything newer.
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A longer read but a great piece that reads impartial. What defines the invading combatant?
https://kyivindependent.com/national...ssian-soldier/
https://kyivindependent.com/national...ssian-soldier/
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I think that particular woman was joking about raping Ukrainian women. Not that it would be much better, even if she was joking. However, this other Russian woman doesn't seem to be joking, and what she is saying is even more disturbing:
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Are you sure that this isn't a piece of UKR-side propaganda? The informational aspect is a part of war.
That aspect reminds me of the youtube things that get posted as "man on the street" but the producers look around asking questions until one person finally says something bizarre or outrageous. That's the one snippet that they use.
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Obviously, I can't be sure. But with 180.000 Russian soldiers sent to Ukraine, it's not at all unlikely that some of them would have pyschopatic relatives brainwashed by the state propaganda. Or be psychopats themselves, like other recordings show, assuming of course they are not fake. In my opinion these conversations are real, but they are cherry picked, out of hundreds or thousands of such recordings. And I'm sure some of the recordings that are not published might even paint some Russians as good guys.
Whoa, possible game-changer, Spain looking at providing 40 Leopard 2A4’s plus anti air missiles.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...e_systems.html
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defe...e_systems.html