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Old 8th Jun 2022, 14:45
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Translation of manuals aside I find it difficult to believe that M777 ( as cited in the article) is using imperial nuts and bolts, especially as it is BAE design. I thought that NATO had a metric policy going back almost to the start. I cannot believe these recent 6.1 inch guns (!) are an exception ,

So therefore that whole article sounds hooky , some american reporters idea of what might be an issue rather than real life.

On the other hand it is gratifying to see the recent russian air force propaganda pics of 'crowd sourced equipment' proudly displayed in front of some jets.
We can ask why the russian airforce needs socket sets, and electric drivers , and most especially the grass strimmers.
Perhaps it is a universal problem.

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Is this indicitive of the Russian navies inability to self defend against air attacks?
Obviously showing some weakness they have in their capability to field a naval asset able to self protect itself.


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Old 8th Jun 2022, 16:22
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Is this indicitive of the Russian navies inability to self defend against air attacks?
Obviously showing some weakness they have in their capability to field a naval asset able to self protect itself.
I don't think so. I understand that the capability for temporary installation on ships was part of the design brief for the M2KM, which is lighter and more versatile than the fixed naval variant. Its use in this manner certainly predates 2022.

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Old 8th Jun 2022, 18:02
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Old 8th Jun 2022, 18:07
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Earlier in one thread someone posted about a Ukrainian refugee who couldn’t open the door to the washing machine and tried to explain with a translation app. I wondered then about those having to figure out how to operate 155 mm howitzers.
That was me. A friend has taken in a Ukrainian lady and her son. (Her place in heaven is assured, with extra comfy pillows and a sea view too)

The lad has excellent English but mum is on the learning curve so she often talks into an app which then plays the English translation. Having been in the UK a few days, mum was using the washing machine but could not open the door. She talked into the app which then announced...."I am having trouble removing my underwear, please can you help me".

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Old 9th Jun 2022, 01:38
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Haha, thanks, BF.

Interesting article in Japanese here dealing with the drone warfare now happening over Ukraine. Both sides employ both reconnaissance and attack drones, and both sides bring down enemy drones using either electronic jamming or physical destruction. The article contains three videos from Poland, two of which are in English, and a third which must be Russian as they examine the wreckage of two Polish-made/Ukrainian drones, WARMATE and FLYEYE. It makes clear that very quick spotting and super quick disabling of enemy drones is vital. With high attrition on both sides, the Russians suffer from a lack of spares, and the Ukrainians from a dearth of resupply. If you can find a translation machine you might get more out of it.(?)
In the meantime scroll down for the short videos, while the article is still up.
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Old 9th Jun 2022, 03:20
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More of the never ending German farce


They said they needed 60 to stop Russia a little less to slow them down… they are getting 4 from the US and 3 from us . That’s rather pointless in stopping anything, and they have requested them for months, yet they are only starting training on them now. Wtf we cannot train troops on weapons in advance of any future provisions of them is beyond me, that way if they ever are delivered they can be used straight away.


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Old 9th Jun 2022, 04:13
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Originally Posted by Usertim
Translation of manuals aside I find it difficult to believe that M777 ( as cited in the article) is using imperial nuts and bolts, especially as it is BAE design. I thought that NATO had a metric policy going back almost to the start. I cannot believe these recent 6.1 inch guns (!) are an exception ,

So therefore that whole article sounds hooky , some american reporters idea of what might be an issue rather than real life.

On the other hand it is gratifying to see the recent russian air force propaganda pics of 'crowd sourced equipment' proudly displayed in front of some jets.
We can ask why the russian airforce needs socket sets, and electric drivers , and most especially the grass strimmers.
Perhaps it is a universal problem.
Agreed - 40 years ago most American manufacturing was transitioning to metric (admittedly gradual - I had a 1978 Buick, to replace one part there were 10 bolts that held it in place, 7 metric (8mm) and 3 English (1/4") - which look almost the same but aren't .
I've had duplicate tool sets - English and Metric wrenches, sockets, etc.- for 45 years because I needed both. Is that uncommon on the other side of the pond?
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Is that uncommon on the other side of the pond?
Only if you own an american car

I had a '83 Bronco once. Never needed the imperial tools again after selling the car.
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Old 9th Jun 2022, 06:18
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Germany finally supplies tanks to Ukraine, absolute gold.
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Old 9th Jun 2022, 06:47
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Originally Posted by tdracer
Agreed - 40 years ago most American manufacturing was transitioning to metric (admittedly gradual - I had a 1978 Buick, to replace one part there were 10 bolts that held it in place, 7 metric (8mm) and 3 English (1/4") - which look almost the same but aren't .
I've had duplicate tool sets - English and Metric wrenches, sockets, etc.- for 45 years because I needed both. Is that uncommon on the other side of the pond?
I was an RAF technician working on the (Anglo/French) Jaguar aircraft in the 80's; although notionally built as a "metric" aircraft, we needed the full range of imperial sockets/wrenches as well. Exactly the same "is that 3/8" or 10mm" problem.

In general, technical instructions (ie Mods and SBs) were written in metric terms if originating in France, but were often Imperial if from the UK; "measure 4.3 inches and drill a 1/8 hole".
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Originally Posted by Beamr
Only if you own an american car

I had a '83 Bronco once. Never needed the imperial tools again after selling the car.
Or a Landrover Defender.
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Most light aircraft of foreign build are Metric, but the Lycomings and Continentals are all A/F and indeed use Whitworh as well on cylinder hold down studs etc where the sizes in the manual refer to the diameter of the stud / bolt and not the nut..

On the OCU we had Wessex and Puma, one metric and one A/F

The M1777 was not designed by BAe, it was a Vickers design that was developed on when BAe took over Vickers, whether they then swopped out the bolting system is the question, but as the USA was an Imperial user probably not.
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Ukraine verses Russian claims of destroyed equipment levels, against verified figures.


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Originally Posted by dead_pan
Have to say from the reports I have seen morale is pretty rock-bottom on both sides in the Severodonetsk pocket, which may explain why Zelensky made a visit there. It seems both sides have set the city as a defining objective. From my armchair I reckon Ukraine may be better served by letting the Russians claim it and hammering them from the heights of Lysychansk.
The answer to your view and the reason why not.

Ukrainian forces fighting for control of the twin eastern Ukrainian cites of Severodonetsk and Lysychansk are “catastrophically” short of artillery pieces, a commander in the national guard fighting in that region said on national television.
“There is no problem here that we have bad positions or we maneuver badly or choose a good position,” Petro Kuzyk, commander of the Svoboda battalion, said. “The problem is that we are catastrophically short of artillery barrels.”

Tactical retreat: The head of the Luhansk regional military administration, Serhiy Hayday, suggested on Wednesday that Ukrainian forces might stage a tactical retreat in Severodonetsk. Its sister city, Lysychansk, lies on strategic high ground across the Siverskyi Donets River. Later on Wednesday, Hayday said Russia now controls most of Severodonetsk.

“With all due respect to Serhiy Hayday, this is a political opinion,” Kuzyk said. “There is a certain strategy in maneuvering: Lysychansk is on the bank above. But this is completely absurd if the crucial key issue is not resolved, and it is that the occupier has an advantage in artillery.

“If, for example, there is an order to leave Severodonetsk and keep Lysychansk, then the artillery that is currently concentrated on the part of Severodonetsk that we are holding will join the part that fires on Lysychansk, and the concentration of artillery at the positions will double. And in fact such an advantage in height will be offset by a greater concentration of artillery.”
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Looking at the shameful posturing by Germany and its chums I'm beginning to think quitting Europe wasn't such a bad thing. Perhaps they should be shown the picture of the downed Russian helicopter in Ukraine with the words NACH BERLIN painted on the boom. Poland etc could be mopped up on the way ...
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Looking at the shameful posturing by Germany and its chums I'm beginning to think quitting Europe wasn't such a bad thing. Perhaps they should be shown the picture of the downed Russian helicopter in Ukraine with the words NACH BERLIN painted on the boom. Poland etc could be mopped up on the way ...
May the Farce be with you... Germany and its promises.

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Iris-T air defense system: After weeks of pressure, Chancellor Olaf Scholz (SPD) announced in the Bundestag last week that Ukraine should get the Iris-T air defense system. He did not give details. According to information from Business Insider, the news apparently came as a surprise not only to the Ministry of Defense, but also to Egypt. Because the Egyptian government had ordered several systems in Germany, one of which it is now supposed to do without in favor of Ukraine. But government circles say that the Iris-T system for Ukraine should not be ready for use until November or even December.
Marder infantry fighting vehicle: A week ago, Scholz also announced a so-called ring exchange with Greece: In return for Soviet BPM-type tanks that Athens is to send to Ukraine, Greece will receive Marder infantry fighting vehicles from Germany. The deal mentions almost 50 tanks.

But the Greeks are said to have been surprised by the Chancellor's announcement, so there is a lot of trouble behind the scenes. Because the BPM tanks are mainly stationed on the Greek islands. The government in Athens fears that Turkey could see an exchange with modern Marder vehicles as an affront in foreign policy - and that the next military conflict in Europe would arise.

From German government circles it is said that the Greeks therefore only want to give up their Soviet tanks when all 50 German Marders have been delivered ready for use. But that should last until autumn or winter. In addition, the manufacturer Rheinmetall itself was surprised by the ring exchange, which actually wanted to sell the Marder directly to the Ukraine. So whether the group will go along with it at all is an open question. Rheinmetall does not respond to inquiries from us.
Multiple rocket launcher Mars II: Scholz had also announced multiple rocket launchers in his Bundestag speech. They can hit targets 40 kilometers away.

It was later said that the Bundeswehr would be giving up four Mars II systems – if possible by the end of June. But that was not confirmed. The problem: According to information from Business Insider, less than half of the almost 40 German vehicles are currently operational at all. Even giving up four is said to have caused the German military to shake their heads behind the scenes. In addition, the software of the rocket launchers must first be reprogrammed because the German vehicles have not yet been able to fire ammunition from the USA or Great Britain. But precisely these types of ammunition are available in large numbers in Ukraine. In the worst case, solving the software problems should take months, it is said, since it is significantly more complicated than with the tank howitzer.

The bottom line is that insiders within the federal government do not expect concrete deliveries of Iris-T, Mars II or Marders before September or October. Only the delivery of 15 Gepard anti-aircraft tanks in mid-July and 15 more by the end of August seems to be on schedule so far. However, there are no more than 59,000 rounds of ammunition. As of now, the promised seven German tank howitzers should also be ready for delivery at the end of June. Before that, they had to be laboriously reprogrammed to meet the needs of Ukraine. In addition, the five Dutch howitzers still had to be repaired.

But it is precisely Iris-T and Mars II that are considered systems that would bring a real advantage to Ukraine. The fact that these can apparently only be delivered so late in autumn or winter is particularly problematic because many experts now see August as the decisive month in the Ukraine war. Then at the latest it could be decided whether Russia's offensive, especially in eastern Ukraine, will be successful. Then the modern weapons announced by Scholz would simply come too late.
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Old 9th Jun 2022, 11:06
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The old saying has always been the purpose of NATO was to keep the Americans in, the Russians out and the Germans down.

Expecting fulsome support from Germany was always a stretch - but at least they’ve been kept from wholeheartedly supporting Putin….
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Old 9th Jun 2022, 11:13
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Russia will love those anti german sentiments. Germany ended up exactly like this because the four powers made it's military exactly what it is today. Nothing of strategic relevance and not even the conventional strength of those cold war days. No surpise they cannot deliver much on short notice. Just look at their tank numbers left. However they gave quite a bit of used kit to NATO countries closer to Russia in the past.
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Old 9th Jun 2022, 11:38
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Expecting fulsome support from Germany was always a stretch - but at least they’ve been kept from wholeheartedly supporting Putin….
A bit of old news but they seem to have taken steps not to offend him. I fear their primary interest is sucking on Putin's pipe.

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