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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 7th Jun 2022, 22:17
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Originally Posted by skridlov
I can't pretend to know a whole lot about tanks but these Leopards seem to have a lot of right angles and flat surfaces. Not ideal, I'd have thought.
have a read, it has Chobham armour and a gun that will outrange the Russian stuff.

https://sakhalianet.x10.mx/militaryh...attle_tank.php

Angled hulls really just increase the thickness of armour, take an inch thick plate, tilt at an angle and the thickness increases for a direct hit as its in effect piercing the sheet at an angle. You gain something for nothing.



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Old 7th Jun 2022, 23:01
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Thats why the T-34 was such a shock to the Wehrmacht in 1942. Superb mobility, effective gun and armour equivalent to 100m(or thereabouts). Unfortunately the Russians are better known now for incompetence and stupidity.
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Russian Su-35 fighter jet firing its 30mm autocannon at a Ukrainian Mi-14, and appears to have missed

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Old 8th Jun 2022, 00:22
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Angled armour is not so important these days with composite/ceramic and ERA armour. The aim now is not to deflect the penetrator but to shatter it before penetration occurs. To achieve this, the materials within some types of composite armour are sloped to impart transverse forces on the penetrator to cause it to flex and lose energy and/or break up.

The steel armour behind the composite may still be angled to increase effective thickness, assuming internal space constraints are not an issue, and the composite armour may also be angled, flat, or a combination of the two.



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Old 8th Jun 2022, 01:06
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Originally Posted by Wokkafans
Angled armour is not so important these days with composite/ceramic and ERA armour. The aim now is not to deflect the penetrator but to shatter it before penetration occurs. To achieve this, the materials within some types of composite armour are sloped to impart transverse forces on the penetrator to cause it to flex and lose energy and/or break up. The steel armour behind the composite may still be angled to increase effective thickness, assuming internal space constraints are not an issue, and the composite armour may also be angled, flat, or a combination of the two.
I'll call it Shrek armor. Ogres have layers, onions have layers, and armor has layers.
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Old 8th Jun 2022, 02:24
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Originally Posted by Lookleft
Thats why the T-34 was such a shock to the Wehrmacht in 1942. Superb mobility, effective gun and armour equivalent to 100m(or thereabouts). Unfortunately the Russians are better known now for incompetence and stupidity.
Will the T-34 be a shock for the Ukrainians or the tank crews when they are used to replace the T-62's that RF are apparently now fielding? There are some shiny T-34s available except for prebooking annually on 9 May.

LONEWOLF50. "I'll call it Shrek armor. Ogres have layers, onions have layers, and armor has layers".
LMAO, thanks.


Shrek: Ogres are like onions.
Donkey: They stink?
Shrek: Yes. No.
Donkey: Oh, they make you cry.
Shrek: No.
Donkey: Oh, you leave em out in the sun, they get all brown, start sproutin’ little white hairs.
Shrek: No. Layers. Onions have layers. Ogres have layers. Onions have layers. You get it? We both have layers.
Donkey: Oh, you both have layers. Oh. You know, not everybody like onions.

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Old 8th Jun 2022, 02:29
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Originally Posted by MikeSnow
I think that particular woman was joking about raping Ukrainian women. Not that it would be much better, even if she was joking. However, this other Russian woman doesn't seem to be joking, and what she is saying is even more disturbing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhSlhbFEp_M
Well... the SSU transcript was about, lordy, at least 7 Russian Generals ago, seems like old times. Would be less of an issue if Vlad stopped impaling his neighbors, and went off home to deal with his own chicken coop, after all, he has enough grain liberated from Ukraine to turn the whole of the Kremlin into a battery lay farm. Would be easier to tidy up the debris in his wake, and improve the life expectancy of his generals.

[Chickens are kind of avian... ]

Re Mikes link to the charming "lady of compassion", yeah, that is disturbing. Someone raised her and spent time teaching her some social graces, they probably should get a refund for their efforts. The good news is that she is probably making some poor Russian guy's life miserable. Now she may have a boyfriend that just got deep fried in a T-72 cauldron... but, golly.
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Originally Posted by fdr
Will the T-34 be a shock for the Ukrainians or the tank crews when they are used to replace the T-62's that RF are apparently now fielding? There are some shiny T-34s available except for prebooking annually on 9 May.
And they only bought them 3 year ago as well. The Russians bought back thirty T-34/85 from Laos after Laos retired them back in 2019, solely for the intention of using them in the 9th May parades.
Technically that makes them the newest tanks in their inventory
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Old 8th Jun 2022, 09:16
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Originally Posted by GeeRam
And they only bought them 3 year ago as well. The Russians bought back thirty T-34/85 from Laos after Laos retired them back in 2019, solely for the intention of using them in the 9th May parades.
Technically that makes them the newest tanks in their inventory
As a side note the Lao Peoples Army received in exchange "dozens of new T72B1" tanks from Russia. Considering the success of said tank in the ongoing war the LPA performance didn't enhance that much by the deal...
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They can polish it up, but it is still leaking oil.

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It looks like there may have been 2 Generals killed the other day, not one.


https://www.mixedarticle.com/russian...oman-berdnikov

Roman Berdnikov, a 63-year-old Russian Air Force Major General, died in Kherson province after his plane was shot down. In comparison, the number of flag officers killed in the first 100 days of fighting in Ukraine outnumbers the number of US flag officers who died in the first 20 years of war in Afghanistan, where only six died.
Though this claims they both died together in the Convoy strike.


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Originally Posted by Beamr
As a side note the Lao Peoples Army received in exchange "dozens of new T72B1" tanks from Russia. Considering the success of said tank in the ongoing war the LPA performance didn't enhance that much by the deal...
One could envisage the Laotian army asking ever so politely to swap back the T-72 B1's for their old T-34's, given the propensity for the T-72 to become a prop for Iron Chefs BBQ's. (Aero: the locals in Vientiane are really polite and ever so helpful, it is long gone from the 60's-70's, Phnom Penh is also quite genteel nowadays, has some outstanding food there, even at the airport. Comms there can be so-so, from the border FL450, no com to on finals... with coordination on. guard and control freq, but ever so politely relaxed. Beautiful scenery). Now, the Cambodians have about 300 odd T54/55's. Probably barter a trade for the complete Russian Airfarce and the Navy, but leave the USSR's Hiroshima boats back around the pristine waters of Novaya Zemlya, where you can get a suntan at midnight in winter iffn ya'll forget ya Geiger counters. Maybe add Vlads AMEX plutonium card, but it probably will be declined.

There is a place on the east side of KMEM (alert: aeronautical content for the Fedex dudes.... ) Toms BBQ; he could do with a couple of T-72s to increase his peak serving rate.
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While looking out for some T72 goods I ran into this. Is anyone in need of spare parts for their personal Blackjack?

https://atlas-intbg.com/product/tu-160-spare-parts/

"TU-160 Spare Parts
Our company supply and deliver spare parts for TU-160 all modifications. We also do modernization and overhaul on demand by the client."
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A good read as to the state of play

https://news.yahoo.com/russian-offen...181237431.html

Also a good read on the problems with new weaponary, some things you wouldnt expect, such as Being Imperial and delivering weapoms to a metric country, tooling to work on them becomes a problem, and also the manuals on how to operate some of the equipment provided are in English, surely someone would have thought to do a Ukrainian version, it cannot be that difficult to produce.

https://news.yahoo.com/potent-weapon...114318516.html

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Old 8th Jun 2022, 13:12
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also the manuals on how to operate some of the equipment provided are in English, surely someone would have thought to do a Ukrainian version, it cannot be that difficult to produce.
You think?

Colloquial translators are common - proficient technical translators who can understand all the terms and their equivalents are like hens teeth.

At the comic end you get the explanatory leaflets included in Chinese imports, at the other end you get someone killed when someone doesn’t under what geodetic datums MGRS and the like are and people get killed.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
and also the manuals on how to operate some of the equipment provided are in English, surely someone would have thought to do a Ukrainian version, it cannot be that difficult to produce.

https://news.yahoo.com/potent-weapon...114318516.html
There are far more likely Ukranian translators fluent in English in the Ukraine rather than outside;
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Originally Posted by ORAC
You think?

Colloquial translators are common - proficient technical translators who can understand all the terms and their equivalents are like hens teeth.
Well he is translating it via a google app, surely a lot of the programming will simply be press button A adjust the reading, press button B to set etc... Its to operate the GPS guidance, I would have thought that wouldnt be to difficult. Heck I had L39 manuals that had been translated from Russian to Nigerian I think it was, then back into English, bar the odd wording such as tampon for rags, I could use them on the aircraft.

Either way, you would think something as basic as the manuals would be translated, it seems odd to post the guy away who knew how to use it before he had trained his replacement, but it might have been troop rotation etc.
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Old 8th Jun 2022, 14:00
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I sympathise with the Ukrainians. I have enough trouble with the Sky remote, and the Samsung TVís advanced capabilities are still a complete mystery to us both after a decade!
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Earlier in one thread someone posted about a Ukrainian refugee who couldnít open the door to the washing machine and tried to explain with a translation app. I wondered then about those having to figure out how to operate 155 mm howitzers.
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