Is Ukraine about to have a war?
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https://sakhalianet.x10.mx/militaryh...attle_tank.php
Angled hulls really just increase the thickness of armour, take an inch thick plate, tilt at an angle and the thickness increases for a direct hit as its in effect piercing the sheet at an angle. You gain something for nothing.
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Thats why the T-34 was such a shock to the Wehrmacht in 1942. Superb mobility, effective gun and armour equivalent to 100m(or thereabouts). Unfortunately the Russians are better known now for incompetence and stupidity.
Angled armour is not so important these days with composite/ceramic and ERA armour. The aim now is not to deflect the penetrator but to shatter it before penetration occurs. To achieve this, the materials within some types of composite armour are sloped to impart transverse forces on the penetrator to cause it to flex and lose energy and/or break up.
The steel armour behind the composite may still be angled to increase effective thickness, assuming internal space constraints are not an issue, and the composite armour may also be angled, flat, or a combination of the two.
The steel armour behind the composite may still be angled to increase effective thickness, assuming internal space constraints are not an issue, and the composite armour may also be angled, flat, or a combination of the two.
Angled armour is not so important these days with composite/ceramic and ERA armour. The aim now is not to deflect the penetrator but to shatter it before penetration occurs. To achieve this, the materials within some types of composite armour are sloped to impart transverse forces on the penetrator to cause it to flex and lose energy and/or break up. The steel armour behind the composite may still be angled to increase effective thickness, assuming internal space constraints are not an issue, and the composite armour may also be angled, flat, or a combination of the two.
LONEWOLF50. "I'll call it Shrek armor. Ogres have layers, onions have layers, and armor has layers".
Shrek: Ogres are like onions.
Donkey: They stink?
Shrek: Yes. No.
Donkey: Oh, they make you cry.
Shrek: No.
Donkey: Oh, you leave em out in the sun, they get all brown, start sproutin’ little white hairs.
Shrek: No. Layers. Onions have layers. Ogres have layers. Onions have layers. You get it? We both have layers.
Donkey: Oh, you both have layers. Oh. You know, not everybody like onions.
Donkey: They stink?
Shrek: Yes. No.
Donkey: Oh, they make you cry.
Shrek: No.
Donkey: Oh, you leave em out in the sun, they get all brown, start sproutin’ little white hairs.
Shrek: No. Layers. Onions have layers. Ogres have layers. Onions have layers. You get it? We both have layers.
Donkey: Oh, you both have layers. Oh. You know, not everybody like onions.
I think that particular woman was joking about raping Ukrainian women. Not that it would be much better, even if she was joking. However, this other Russian woman doesn't seem to be joking, and what she is saying is even more disturbing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhSlhbFEp_M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhSlhbFEp_M
[Chickens are kind of avian... ]
Re Mikes link to the charming "lady of compassion", yeah, that is disturbing. Someone raised her and spent time teaching her some social graces, they probably should get a refund for their efforts. The good news is that she is probably making some poor Russian guy's life miserable. Now she may have a boyfriend that just got deep fried in a T-72 cauldron... but, golly.
Technically that makes them the newest tanks in their inventory
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It looks like there may have been 2 Generals killed the other day, not one.
https://www.mixedarticle.com/russian...oman-berdnikov
Though this claims they both died together in the Convoy strike.
https://www.mixedarticle.com/russian...oman-berdnikov
Roman Berdnikov, a 63-year-old Russian Air Force Major General, died in Kherson province after his plane was shot down. In comparison, the number of flag officers killed in the first 100 days of fighting in Ukraine outnumbers the number of US flag officers who died in the first 20 years of war in Afghanistan, where only six died.
There is a place on the east side of KMEM (alert: aeronautical content for the Fedex dudes.... ) Toms BBQ; he could do with a couple of T-72s to increase his peak serving rate.
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While looking out for some T72 goods I ran into this. Is anyone in need of spare parts for their personal Blackjack?
https://atlas-intbg.com/product/tu-160-spare-parts/
"TU-160 Spare Parts
Our company supply and deliver spare parts for TU-160 all modifications. We also do modernization and overhaul on demand by the client."
https://atlas-intbg.com/product/tu-160-spare-parts/
"TU-160 Spare Parts
Our company supply and deliver spare parts for TU-160 all modifications. We also do modernization and overhaul on demand by the client."
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A good read as to the state of play
https://news.yahoo.com/russian-offen...181237431.html
Also a good read on the problems with new weaponary, some things you wouldnt expect, such as Being Imperial and delivering weapoms to a metric country, tooling to work on them becomes a problem, and also the manuals on how to operate some of the equipment provided are in English, surely someone would have thought to do a Ukrainian version, it cannot be that difficult to produce.
https://news.yahoo.com/potent-weapon...114318516.html
https://news.yahoo.com/russian-offen...181237431.html
Also a good read on the problems with new weaponary, some things you wouldnt expect, such as Being Imperial and delivering weapoms to a metric country, tooling to work on them becomes a problem, and also the manuals on how to operate some of the equipment provided are in English, surely someone would have thought to do a Ukrainian version, it cannot be that difficult to produce.
https://news.yahoo.com/potent-weapon...114318516.html
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
also the manuals on how to operate some of the equipment provided are in English, surely someone would have thought to do a Ukrainian version, it cannot be that difficult to produce.
Colloquial translators are common - proficient technical translators who can understand all the terms and their equivalents are like hens teeth.
At the comic end you get the explanatory leaflets included in Chinese imports, at the other end you get someone killed when someone doesn’t under what geodetic datums MGRS and the like are and people get killed.
and also the manuals on how to operate some of the equipment provided are in English, surely someone would have thought to do a Ukrainian version, it cannot be that difficult to produce.
https://news.yahoo.com/potent-weapon...114318516.html
https://news.yahoo.com/potent-weapon...114318516.html
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Either way, you would think something as basic as the manuals would be translated, it seems odd to post the guy away who knew how to use it before he had trained his replacement, but it might have been troop rotation etc.
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I sympathise with the Ukrainians. I have enough trouble with the Sky remote, and the Samsung TV’s advanced capabilities are still a complete mystery to us both after a decade!
Earlier in one thread someone posted about a Ukrainian refugee who couldn’t open the door to the washing machine and tried to explain with a translation app. I wondered then about those having to figure out how to operate 155 mm howitzers.