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Old 30th Apr 2022, 21:41
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Originally Posted by fdr
That's spooky,
Is he going to change the name of the Kremlin to Wolfschanze?
  • I mean, he has the shake of the hand thing going on;
  • He attacked across Ukraine, (in reverse direction) silly lad;
  • He attacked and forgot about the weather;
  • He took direct command from the Military as he was a brilliant [KGB spook/ Corporal/ etc];
  • He committed genocide, and war crimes;
  • He reads chicken entrails or tarot cards or something, to do with numerology;
  • Is Putin a painter?
  • Is Putin a vegetarian?
Spooky. lots of material for SNL or Eddie Izzard.

Hopefully the day to day activity includes sacking the President, but the Russian Constitution is pretty miserable in that score, but not impossible.
Is he going to send himself off to Lefortovo if he gets knocked on his butt? That would be the "cheer heard around the world".
I've become increasingly concerned about the parallels between the actions of Hitler and Putin. Especially this:
Hitler decided that Germany largely deserved the fate being handed to in by early 1945 - that it was 'too weak'. Had Hitler had access to something akin to MAD in early 1945, I have little doubt he would have exercised it - yea Germany loses, but so does everyone else.
I fear Vlad is headed into that same insanity. We can only hope and pray that someone in the Russian chain of command stops the insanity before it gets to that stage.
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Old 30th Apr 2022, 22:05
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Stupidity comes to mind, they must have a finite supply of missiles to use, so as long as they are firing them into high rise buildings they are not diminishing the Countries military capability to defend themselves and fight back, the tragedy in it all is the innocents getting killed or maimed as Russia attempts to demoralise the Ukrainian people and break down their spirit and resolve.
But if Bucha is anything to go by Russia is simply making the Country stronger and filling them with so much hate and loathing through these actions that the Ukrainians will fight back to their last.
Actually, that kind of destroying is less stupid as it looks. The high-rise buildings are good ones to have a battlefield overview the moment the battle gets closer.

Also, the more civilian buildings are left, the more people will still be there, so the more soldiers are needed to capture the city. Completely destroy the city, and you have hardly any fighting to capture that city, no fighters can hide in the buildings. Posted earlier, were figures of how many soldiers were needed to capture a city and to keep a captured area under control. Those figures go down drastically, when nearly every civilian fled the destroyed city.

Many people here judge the Russian options, based on Western presumptions around "limit the civilian casualties and damage". Though, once you leave those subtilities behind, the Russian approach isn't that stupid to have better chances to "win" the battle. Russia isn't going to fund the repair costs for rebuilding of captured area's. They leave it to the civilians, on their own, so who cares, not the Russians. General living standard is not a key (political) issue in Russia.

Sad, but true, unfortunately
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Old 30th Apr 2022, 22:15
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Many people here judge the Russian options, based on Western presumptions around "limit the civilian casualties and damage". Though, once you leave those subtilities behind, the Russian approach isn't that stupid to have better chances to "win" the battle. Russia isn't going to fund the repair costs for rebuilding of captured area's. They leave it to the civilians, on their own, so who cares, not the Russians. General living standard is not a key (political) issue in Russia.
Does the end justify the means? not if you signed the Geneva Conventions and are a permanent member of the UNSC especially if you want ever to be trusted again.
This should not be the new world order.
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Old 30th Apr 2022, 22:53
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Similar to the Pope trying to organise an evacuation of Mariupol, I doubt it will ever happen and my reason why as a layman viewing from a distance.

Those civilians caught up in the stronghold are burning through the food and medical supplies available, so why would the Russians allow their evacuation, to do so means those surviving and holding out Service personnel would have access to provisions to hold on longer.
From the Russians point of view the faster they consume their resources the faster they surrender…. I might be wrong, but that’s how I see it, Siege mentality.




Again from a layman looking on, it has been reported that it is going to take approximately three weeks for the Wests aid to arrive into the combat zone and take effect. They seriously need to start cutting off supply routes because regardless of the troops in theatre without resources they will cease to be effective, they need to drop bridges and railways, especially the Crimea one, as that then means resources for the eastern assault will need to be diverted to sustain those.


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Old 30th Apr 2022, 23:17
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
He looks like Benny Hill, or should one say did.
I was going to say the exact same thing ... but then I thought of Winston (Paul Riley) in Still Game, so . . . Separated at birth?

(ex) Russian Major General Andrei Simonov

Scottish comedian Paul Riley
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Old 30th Apr 2022, 23:50
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Interesting, yes. But not Ukrainian President or his wife. Its Boyce Avenue and Connie Talbot.
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Old 1st May 2022, 00:46
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Similar to the Pope trying to organise an evacuation of Mariupol, I doubt it will ever happen and my reason why as a layman viewing from a distance.

From the Russians point of view the faster they consume their resources the faster they surrender…. I might be wrong, but that’s how I see it, Siege mentality.
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If they were to surrender and peace broke out do you think they would ever get to return home.
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Old 1st May 2022, 01:09
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Nope......
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Old 1st May 2022, 02:10
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Another KA-52 taken out by a Stugna-P ATGM

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Old 1st May 2022, 08:46
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Putin cancer op?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art....html?ito=1490
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Old 1st May 2022, 08:48
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I thought this guy was already out of it?


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Old 1st May 2022, 10:05
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Originally Posted by MAINJAFAD
Another KA-52 taken out by a Stugna-P ATGM
A little disappointed by this - the cheer was nowhere near as loud as the last time they hit one.
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Old 1st May 2022, 10:22
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Originally Posted by Timmy Tomkins

i do hope the anaesthetist starves him of oxygen during the op if it’s true, or perhaps anaesthetic as well, so he feels everything before he becomes brain dead.
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Old 1st May 2022, 10:54
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
i do hope the anaesthetist starves him of oxygen during the op if it’s true, or perhaps anaesthetic as well, so he feels everything before he becomes brain dead.
I sure would not want to be part of that surgical team. “I die, you die!”
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Old 1st May 2022, 11:33
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
i do hope the anaesthetist starves him of oxygen during the op if it’s true, or perhaps anaesthetic as well, so he feels everything before he becomes brain dead.
A splendid Idea and maybe it is all part of a solution? However, the replacement, apart from being unconstitutional, sounds even worse. What do we know about him? Anyone?
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A little disappointed by this - the cheer was nowhere near as loud as the last time they hit one.
Explosion wasn't as impressive either!!!!
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Old 1st May 2022, 12:30
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A splendid Idea and maybe it is all part of a solution? However, the replacement, apart from being unconstitutional, sounds even worse. What do we know about him? Anyone?
On first glance, Nikolai Platonovich Patrushev seems like a common or garden variety hardliner, But then there are some oddities. He studied shipbuilding, he's an engineer. Engineers tend to give credence to facts and figures. His family;, the kids are all in service industries that are badly affected by sanctions. He was part of the push to the war, but did make public statements before the war to the effect that "We don't want war. We don't need that at all.", He denied allegations that Russia plans to invade Ukraine, describing the claims as "completely absurd. Patrushev was a leading figure behind Russia's updated national security strategy, published in May 2021. It states that Russia may use "forceful methods" to "thwart or avert unfriendly actions that threaten the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Russian Federation. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Patrushev )

Patrushev can do maths and has a way to separate his connection to Putin's cronies and avoid direct responsibility for the decision to attack Ukraine. He can take the position that Putin went against the stated national security strategy that was amended in 2021. Putin has to be incapacitated completely (no Easter surprises) in order to get the rest of the gang of thieves to follow. It isn't impossible, it's not likely either, but it is more rational than waiting for a guy who has Parkinsons' and Stomach cancer to recover to take the whole of the Russian Federation down the gurgler.
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Originally Posted by fdr
On first glance, Nikolai Platonovich Patrushev seems like a common or garden variety hardliner, But then there are some oddities. He studied shipbuilding, he's an engineer. Engineers tend to give credence to facts and figures. His family;, the kids are all in service industries that are badly affected by sanctions. He was part of the push to the war, but did make public statements before the war to the effect that "We don't want war. We don't need that at all.", He denied allegations that Russia plans to invade Ukraine, describing the claims as "completely absurd. Patrushev was a leading figure behind Russia's updated national security strategy, published in May 2021. It states that Russia may use "forceful methods" to "thwart or avert unfriendly actions that threaten the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Russian Federation. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Patrushev )

Patrushev can do maths and has a way to separate his connection to Putin's cronies and avoid direct responsibility for the decision to attack Ukraine. He can take the position that Putin went against the stated national security strategy that was amended in 2021. Putin has to be incapacitated completely (no Easter surprises) in order to get the rest of the gang of thieves to follow. It isn't impossible, it's not likely either, but it is more rational than waiting for a guy who has Parkinsons' and Stomach cancer to recover to take the whole of the Russian Federation down the gurgler.
Wasn't Patrushev the one Putin lambasted during that infamous television broadcast back in February, when he lined his cronies up and got them to publicly state their support for the intervention in the Donbas 'republics'? Its infuriating how the news cycle moves on so much from a few months ago that it's impossible to anything about this online.

I wouldn't get too excited about him succeeding Putin anytime soon. Despite all the talk Putin looks okay to me. He'll be on the balcony come May 9th, hale and hearty, mark my words.
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Actually, that kind of destroying is less stupid as it looks. The high-rise buildings are good ones to have a battlefield overview the moment the battle gets closer.

Also, the more civilian buildings are left, the more people will still be there, so the more soldiers are needed to capture the city. Completely destroy the city, and you have hardly any fighting to capture that city, no fighters can hide in the buildings. Posted earlier, were figures of how many soldiers were needed to capture a city and to keep a captured area under control. Those figures go down drastically, when nearly every civilian fled the destroyed city.

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Sad, but true, unfortunately
According to the Ukrainian military they don't fire million dollar missiles at civilian targets on purpose. They have a very high failure rate.
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A number of sites now reporting that the strike on the Command and Control Centre at Izium took out another swathe of senior officers including one:



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