Is Ukraine about to have a war?
Unless their account has been hacked, or this is misinformation - someone in the Ukrainian Air Force appears to have had a major brain snap.
They're now asking for F-15s and F-16s!
How on earth would that work?!
Ignoring all the logistical support issues - is it even remotely plausible that a MiG-29 pilot could even learn to drive an F-16 or F-15 in 3-4 weeks as they claim, let alone learn how to fight with one?
How long would it take to become comfortable with effects of controls, inertia, power, energy management...?
Noting also this very informative article - interesting that the USAF relationship with the UAF goes back 25 years.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...fighter-pilots
and this:
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-pilots-on-now
Just seems like completely wishful thinking.
They're now asking for F-15s and F-16s!
Ignoring all the logistical support issues - is it even remotely plausible that a MiG-29 pilot could even learn to drive an F-16 or F-15 in 3-4 weeks as they claim, let alone learn how to fight with one?
How long would it take to become comfortable with effects of controls, inertia, power, energy management...?
Noting also this very informative article - interesting that the USAF relationship with the UAF goes back 25 years.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...fighter-pilots
and this:
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-pilots-on-now
Just seems like completely wishful thinking.
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The more I see of late with suspect nuclear armed aircraft incursion into Sweden and the demanding Rubbles for fuel, one is getting the feeling he wants the west to become embroiled because he cannot sell his Western / NATO narrative at the moment to the Russian people.
And I thought the Russians with their T72's are like bringing a bow against artillery but the Russkies have obviously saved the best gear for themselves, their allies then get the really old stuff:
the Russians have equipped the Donbass separatists with 19th century weapons like Mosin-Nagant M91/30
More "modern" weaponry is the PTRS-41 anti tank rifle of WW2.
the Russians have equipped the Donbass separatists with 19th century weapons like Mosin-Nagant M91/30
More "modern" weaponry is the PTRS-41 anti tank rifle of WW2.
Re: Is Ukraine about to have another war?
Part II
The weathercock has turned. A sea change even. Abandoning Chernobyl is deeply symbolic, especially with a written guarantee. Any light artillery lobbed onto Kyiv suburbs must be to cover this catchall 'redeployment' of Russian forces.
Part II
The weathercock has turned. A sea change even. Abandoning Chernobyl is deeply symbolic, especially with a written guarantee. Any light artillery lobbed onto Kyiv suburbs must be to cover this catchall 'redeployment' of Russian forces.
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" In either case, it means that if the current class of recruits isn't discharged, then there is going to be an increase of over 10% in the army. Does anybody believe that any army could deal with that kind of influx over just three months ? "
This and the Winter Olympics were two of the drivers on timing if you go back to the start of the thread - the other was the weather.
Having spent 6 weeks so far the Russians are faced with either sending home a bunch of people who have served their time or holding on to them - which will not improve morale to put it mildly. It really is a Grade 1 mess
This and the Winter Olympics were two of the drivers on timing if you go back to the start of the thread - the other was the weather.
Having spent 6 weeks so far the Russians are faced with either sending home a bunch of people who have served their time or holding on to them - which will not improve morale to put it mildly. It really is a Grade 1 mess
Ukrainian AF now requesting the West sends tham F-15s, or F-16s, as per their Twitter account yesterday. They reckon they can train up their pilots to fly them in 2-3 weeks.Rather puts MFTS into perspective!
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That's what I was thinking. Last I heard contract was due in 2025 with initial deliveries in 2029. I believe its the K9A2 (updated version with improvements) in the frame for the UK.
As I understand its the same sort of deal as for the S300s a few weeks back i.e. Ukraine to be supplied with legacy Soviet equipment from other central & eastern European NATO member states, with which they are familiar, this kit sent being back-filled with newer equipment from the likes of the UK & US (e.g. stuff we have in storage or are soon to replace, that type of thing).
Alas we're not about to send them our AS90s (yet...)
Alas we're not about to send them our AS90s (yet...)
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As I understand its the same sort of deal as for the S300s a few weeks back i.e. Ukraine to be supplied with legacy Soviet equipment from other central & eastern European NATO member states, with which they are familiar, this kit sent being back-filled with newer equipment from the likes of the UK & US (e.g. stuff we have in storage or are soon to replace, that type of thing).
Alas we're not about to send them our AS90s (yet...)
Alas we're not about to send them our AS90s (yet...)
I reckon Russia will try its usual tactic of trying to fudge this i.e. keep those who are forward deployed in situ, and try to swop out those which aren't. It appears their broader plan is to call up experienced reservists, and the entirety of the Wagner operation, to try and generate some momentum on the ground.
Interesting. I guess this kit has proved its worth and we don't have any immediate plans to use it...
the Russians are really showing how much they care for their "brothers" they are "saving" in Ukraine. If this is what Russians do to their beloved neighbours "saving them from nazis", what would they do attacking the west they hate and despise infinately?
The Russians (and not just Pootin) need to be stopped. The Russian people need to suffer just as Ukrainians do. Your country attacks, your country does all the atrocities to civilians in Ukraine, you need to suffer as much as the Ukrainians do. The Germans were walked through the concentration camps in 1945. The Russians need to be walked through Mariupol, Harkov and other cities.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europ...at_campaign=64
The Russians (and not just Pootin) need to be stopped. The Russian people need to suffer just as Ukrainians do. Your country attacks, your country does all the atrocities to civilians in Ukraine, you need to suffer as much as the Ukrainians do. The Germans were walked through the concentration camps in 1945. The Russians need to be walked through Mariupol, Harkov and other cities.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europ...at_campaign=64
Ukraine Mil-24s taking the fight to Russia:
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1509763703901761556
Video of a rocket strike on Belgorod oil depot, 40 kms over the border.
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1509763703901761556
Video of a rocket strike on Belgorod oil depot, 40 kms over the border.
Do we know how many the UAF started with and how they have left.
Slovakia as an ex-Warsaw pact member is sending S-300 and other stuff which would be outdated soon anyhow but for a moment it is important that Ukrainians can use this kit at this very moment. I think we should silently send Mig-29s too and apply the usual method of Russian "tactical truth" = deny it.
Huge balls on those two crews if it's proven to be a UAF raid and not some perverse Russian false flag attack.
Video here of them leaving the scene:
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Lol. The biggest complaints among the Belgorod residents on social media: 1. Where did they get the helicopters? They told us UA lost all of their helicopters in the first six hours. 2. Why were those helicopters allowed to fly in and not shot?
Ukraine gets a great (propaganda) success on this; Russian fuel reserves blown up, Russian civilians start to feel the war, the Russian regrouping just had a set back and Putin's going mad.
Göring announced that he could be called Meyer if a single bomb is dropped in Germany, what should we call Putin now?