Is Ukraine about to have a war?
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Is any of that "artillery", as mentioned in the post?
Looks like BMP-3s and MT-LBs. NLAWs and Javelins have been making mincemeat of them so far
Yep.
"PONTI are we? Enjoy your walk."
Looks like BMP-3s and MT-LBs. NLAWs and Javelins have been making mincemeat of them so far
"PONTI are we? Enjoy your walk."
It seems like if Russian army is running out of trucks...
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianCo...now_moving_in/
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianCo...now_moving_in/
Those are airborne armour, There are at least 2S9 Nona's, BTR-MD's and BMD-4M's, all built for airborne assaults.
One would make a wild quess that Russia is planning an airborne assault in a couple of days if that is really from today from Gomel, Belarus as the Pribytki Air Base is just south of Gomel.
One would make a wild quess that Russia is planning an airborne assault in a couple of days if that is really from today from Gomel, Belarus as the Pribytki Air Base is just south of Gomel.
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The question is do we impose a no fly zone now and get dragged in to a war. Or stay on the side lines for now and engage in a crash re-armament program as we did in 1938. To buy time before what I think may sadly be a inevitable war. For if Putin wins in Ukraine he wont stop their.
Don't worry, those are even more vulnerable to NLAW's, LAWs et al. As they are airborne units they are also light weight. Less weight equals less armor, and those really aren't latest greatest composite as those are Soviet era. The NONA is also amphibious so it really has all the ingredients of a disaster. Eg. imagine all the seals on it supposed to prevent it from drowning, are those original? If so, I'd rather go to a gunfight with a knife than sit on one of those. With a knife I'd have a chance.
The question is do we impose a no fly zone now and get dragged in to a war. Or stay on the side lines for now and engage in a crash re-armament program as we did in 1938. To buy time before what I think may sadly be a inevitable war. For if Putin wins in Ukraine he wont stop their.
The question is do we impose a no fly zone now and get dragged in to a war. Or stay on the side lines for now and engage in a crash re-armament program as we did in 1938. To buy time before what I think may sadly be a inevitable war. For if Putin wins in Ukraine he wont stop their.
The Jerusalem Post seems to think Zelenskyy may be close to caving into Putin's demands. Also that Russian Forces are deliberately holding back from fullscale assault.
'"Three days after Prime Minister Naftali Bennett's meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow, the details are beginning to emerge. According to people who were privy to details about the meeting, the current situation is that Russia has offered a "final" version of its offer to end the crisis, which Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky needs to accept or decline.
The proposal was deemed "difficult" but not "impossible," the sources said. It is worse than what Zelensky would have gotten before the invasion but "the gaps between the sides are not great."
Putin ordered his forces to halt – and the command for a ceasefire to be enacted was given – in order to wait for Zelensky's decision, the sources said."'
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-700677
To be honest I have thought the increasingly strident calls for intervention by NATO indicated a last ditch attempt to stave off what is the inevitable choice of capitulation without external military asssitance. However, he might go from hero to zero as others may still want to resist if supplies keep coming. I think like many, my gut says we should intervene but my head says the risk is too great. Although I hate to agree with la Truss, NATO should have intervened before a shot was fired - the consequences of Putin fired up by achieving his aims, and portraying to countries outside the western liberal democratic clique how he faced them down, may lead to an outcome the reverse of what we expect.
'"Three days after Prime Minister Naftali Bennett's meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow, the details are beginning to emerge. According to people who were privy to details about the meeting, the current situation is that Russia has offered a "final" version of its offer to end the crisis, which Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky needs to accept or decline.
The proposal was deemed "difficult" but not "impossible," the sources said. It is worse than what Zelensky would have gotten before the invasion but "the gaps between the sides are not great."
Putin ordered his forces to halt – and the command for a ceasefire to be enacted was given – in order to wait for Zelensky's decision, the sources said."'
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-700677
To be honest I have thought the increasingly strident calls for intervention by NATO indicated a last ditch attempt to stave off what is the inevitable choice of capitulation without external military asssitance. However, he might go from hero to zero as others may still want to resist if supplies keep coming. I think like many, my gut says we should intervene but my head says the risk is too great. Although I hate to agree with la Truss, NATO should have intervened before a shot was fired - the consequences of Putin fired up by achieving his aims, and portraying to countries outside the western liberal democratic clique how he faced them down, may lead to an outcome the reverse of what we expect.
I would have thought that the mauling he has received in a small-scale offensive -irrespective of if/how he wins - would rock him back on his heels and put all other adventures on ice for a long time ( beyond his rule ). That ignores the need to replace the losses with a hugely reduced budget. Even if the Chinese do buy oil/gas, I bet they will get a very good price as "buyer of last resort ".
As distressing as these scenes are, Russia is being emasculated on the battlefield, domestically and internationally. For the time being we should keep doing what we're doing and hope some sense soon prevails in Moscow.
We failed to back Czechoslovakia But did stand up for Poland. what if we had stood up to Hitler when he marched in to the Rhineland or Austria. Yet again the west has woken up to late to a dictator who has ambitions to create a empire. We knew it would be difficult in 1939 yet we still stood up.
Looks legit from the Polish Government link.
https://www.gov.pl/web/diplomacy/sta...nes-to-ukraine
https://www.gov.pl/web/diplomacy/sta...nes-to-ukraine
I'd say confirmed as published in PL gov't webpage:
The authorities of the Republic of Poland, after consultations between the President and the Goverment, are ready to deploy – immediately and free of charge – all their MIG-29 jets to the Rammstein Air Base and place them at the disposal of the Government of the United States of America
https://www.gov.pl/web/diplomacy/sta...nes-to-ukraine
The authorities of the Republic of Poland, after consultations between the President and the Goverment, are ready to deploy – immediately and free of charge – all their MIG-29 jets to the Rammstein Air Base and place them at the disposal of the Government of the United States of America
https://www.gov.pl/web/diplomacy/sta...nes-to-ukraine
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We failed to back Czechoslovakia But did stand up for Poland. what if we had stood up to Hitler when he marched in to the Rhineland or Austria. Yet again the west has woken up to late to a dictator who has ambitions to create a empire. We knew it would be difficult in 1939 yet we still stood up.
...unless of course a Hawker Hart really could take on a 109
I'd say confirmed as published in PL gov't webpage:
The authorities of the Republic of Poland, after consultations between the President and the Goverment, are ready to deploy – immediately and free of charge – all their MIG-29 jets to the Rammstein Air Base and place them at the disposal of the Government of the United States of America
https://www.gov.pl/web/diplomacy/sta...nes-to-ukraine
The authorities of the Republic of Poland, after consultations between the President and the Goverment, are ready to deploy – immediately and free of charge – all their MIG-29 jets to the Rammstein Air Base and place them at the disposal of the Government of the United States of America
https://www.gov.pl/web/diplomacy/sta...nes-to-ukraine