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Old 7th Mar 2022, 22:03
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The UN has mechanisms to remove members. Hopefully these are being explored.
I think removal of countries from UN membership is the wrong answer, contrary to the objectives of peace-loving nations. Sanctions, sure, and perhaps even the approval more drastic measures,yes. The problem is the leadership, not the nation of Russia. If regime change was ever needed, it is now. But no suggestions about how to achieve that. I do hope the people of Russia prevail over the present leadership.
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With Putin in his bolt hole taking him out might be difficult, I do wonder if isolating him communications wise might be a start, offer the staff / military on site a bounty on taking him out.
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Old 7th Mar 2022, 22:28
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Originally Posted by GlobalNav
I think removal of countries from UN membership is the wrong answer, contrary to the objectives of peace-loving nations. Sanctions, sure, and perhaps even the approval more drastic measures,yes. The problem is the leadership, not the nation of Russia. If regime change was ever needed, it is now. But no suggestions about how to achieve that. I do hope the people of Russia prevail over the present leadership.
Who in the UN would consider Russia a peace loving nation today? Whilst they are a member and can veto at will, the UN is nothing more than a spineless joke. As I have alluded in my previous post, it will be down to the younger generation to rise up because they have had a taste of “freedom” through their mobile phones, tablets and geographic internet access.

We would not be debating now if that was taken away from us.

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Old 7th Mar 2022, 22:45
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Originally Posted by Tyres O'Flaherty
Sadly yes.

Speculation is that the Dead one is related, maybe a nephew.

The Gerasimov of ''doctrine'' fame, is the head honcho Armed forces wise.
Possibly son, born in same city, went to same school 22 years apart
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Old 7th Mar 2022, 23:57
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More emotional videos. The standard ending chant 'Glory to Ukraine - hail to the heroes!' is changed.

No wonder things evolve once the woman element gets included;

https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsin...womans_day_by/

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Old 7th Mar 2022, 23:58
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Just read an article suggesting that it was the Russian communist party who proposed granting independence for the two breakaway regions of east Ukraine, and said communist party has close links with the Chinese communist party. It went on to suggest that China may have knowingly given Putin the green light for his little adventure into Ukraine, a place where "hell awaits whether he moves further forwards, or whether he tries to retreat".
In Japanese, by a professor at Ritsumeikan University.
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/58...16b4576735dbb6
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French women ermmmm “come out” against Putin … ermmmm… Vive la France..


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“The British surge” to assist #Ukraine#Refugees at Calais turns out to be 3 officials, some crisps & Kit Kats & not a chance of a visa. Unless you go to Paris. Thank you
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rhetoric doesn’t meet reality. Disgraceful.

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Old 8th Mar 2022, 00:49
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I don’t know if true, but
Ukrainian media: There are 14 million requests from volunteers registered on the Volunteers for Ukraine website, they want to fight the Russian army, including 4 million requests from USA.
probably more accurate
UKRAINIAN WAR@ukrainainwar·4h🚨Russian Defense Ministry: Two American destroyers equipped with guided missiles have entered the waters of the Baltic Sea
#Ukraine #Russia #UkraineRussianWar

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Video on Twitter of Russian civilian trucks, cars, campervans all painted with Z, on flatbed train carriages, apparently heading West.
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Yes saw them the other day.

Also open topped freight wagons in Belarus with missile boxes in them.

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#Ukraine Russian missiles and equipment ready for a new attack were spotted in occupied Crimea. Almost all license plates are hidden, with their distinctive signs in the form of the letter "Z" on board
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Old 8th Mar 2022, 03:15
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Originally Posted by macmp419
Who in the UN would consider Russia a peace loving nation today? Whilst they are a member and can veto at will, the UN is nothing more than a spineless joke. As I have alluded in my previous post, it will be down to the younger generation to rise up because they have had a taste of “freedom” through their mobile phones, tablets and geographic internet access.

We would not be debating now if that was taken away from us.
I certainly agree with your assertion about Putin-led Russia.

But the UN was formed to prevent war through diplomacy (very abbreviated characterization I know) and removing a country from membership serves no constructive purpose in that regard that I can think of. It makes a statement, yes, but closes any avenue for resolution.

I would lose no sleep over an abrupt end to the current regime in Russia, diplomatic or not. To quote Captain Ramius from the Hunt for the Red October: “A little revolution now and then is a healthy thing, don't you think?”
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Old 8th Mar 2022, 04:00
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So if the Russians lay siege to Kyiv - how will they bombard it?
Artillery - the Ukrainians can partially deal with using anti armour weapons such as NLAWS and drones.
But high altitude bombing?
Out of range of MANPADS - and brutally effective.
Presumably there's no way NATO would be able to smuggle a Patriot or two in.
I also assume there's no way that any of the Ukrainian captured Russian high altitude missile systems could be made to shoot down Russian aircraft.
And how would the Russians react to a Bear or TU-160 being brought down?

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Old 8th Mar 2022, 04:02
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Originally Posted by macmp419
The UN has mechanisms to remove members. Hopefully these are being explored.
You will kindly provide the precedent of three members having been removed, and the circumstances of that collective action.
You will then explain how a charter member, and one of the Five on the SC, is to be removed.
You will offer citations and supporting documents.
Thank you in advance.
(The UN is a somewhat Orwellian organization: some members are more equal than others, from day one, else it would never had come into being)

Put another way: The UN will let any freaking bag of rocks calling itself a nation become a member.
Groucho Marx seems to have been commenting on the UN, or perhaps the League of Nations...

*I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member.*
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Old 8th Mar 2022, 04:09
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
French women ermmmm “come out” against Putin … ermmmm… Vive la France..
Glad they got that off of their chests.

As to the reports of American warships in the Black Sea, didn't the Turks close the straits a few days ago per Montreaux Convention? Need to check on the details, but if the Turks exercised that option I don't think any 6th fleet asset would get through the straits. (Did a few FON ops in the Black Sea back in the day, it required a bit of red tape to get done)
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Old 8th Mar 2022, 04:50
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
As to the reports of American warships in the Black Sea, didn't the Turks close the straits a few days ago per Montreaux Convention? Need to check on the details, but if the Turks exercised that option I don't think any 6th fleet asset would get through the straits. (Did a few FON ops in the Black Sea back in the day, it required a bit of red tape to get done)
They are in the Baltic sea, not Black sea.
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Old 8th Mar 2022, 05:36
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As to how they would bombard Kyiv, Putin has already shown us how by shredding Kharkiv, turning it into something from WW1. (See earlier Al Jazeera footage posted here)
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Old 8th Mar 2022, 06:34
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TOS-1A thermobaric bombardment and other MLRS systems are pretty effective at destroying built up areas.
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Russian Senior Officer Attrition

It seems high. My guess is that they are visiting the front lines to get things moving and / or figure out what's the holdup. The higher ups are under pressure.

​​Getting there and back runs a missile gauntlet. Then there's photos of the latest sniper kit being delivered.

​​​​Stalin's first attack on Finland failed. He pulled back, regrouped and returned with a much stronger force. But if Vlad does that, Ukraine will be even better supplied, perhaps even with repainted Polish fighters.

A very useful item for the Ukrainians would be counter batteries to take out Russian artillery.
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Old 8th Mar 2022, 07:51
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Speaking of snipers - interestingly - I read the US have been sending Barretts to Ukraine.
Nothing like a bit of long range .50 cal love...
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Old 8th Mar 2022, 07:57
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Speaking of snipers - interestingly - I read the US have been sending Barretts to Ukraine.
Nothing like a bit of long range .50 cal love...
Strictly speaking .50 is generally used for anti-materiel rifles.

.338 Lapua is most commonly the calibre of choice for snipers nowadays.
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