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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 10th Mar 2022, 14:01
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Originally Posted by Lyneham Lad
New activity expected? Two Rivet Joints (1 x USAF, 1 x RAF) plus a USAF E-8C are monitoring the Polish/Romanian border areas. Usual collection of tankers there as well.
It's been that way for several days. Some long crew duty hours for all those involved, but I'm guessing they wouldn't want it any other way.
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Old 10th Mar 2022, 14:48
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Really now he says they are going to nationalise foreign entities assets that left after 3 months? How does that work?

At the beginning I thought the operation would make Rus toxic for a generation , now maybe 2 generations. I don't see any future except as a slave state of china in 10-20 years
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I am surprised nobody talks about containers. MSC, Maersk, Hapag Lloyd and other big companies are suspending shipping to Russia. If you understand the ramifications of this step for Russian economy Ė this can be compared to a naval blockade of unheard dimensions. The variety of goods (un)delivered to Russian companies can bring most of the factories to a complete halt. In the era of international cooperation there will be always some parts missing and you can't deliver completed product.

https://www.reuters.com/business/wor...ia-2022-03-01/
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There was / is / has been talk about using the Russian Central Banks frozen assets to rebuild the Ukraine and compensate those that require it.

https://www.reuters.com/business/fin...on-2022-03-05/

Unprecedented Western sanctions imposed on Russia have frozen much of the country's central bank's $640 billion in assets; barred several banks from global payments system SWIFT; and sent the rouble into free-fall, erasing a third of its value this week.
That's a lot of money to utilise, and it wouldn't be without precedent as the USA have been using some of the Afghanistan assets after the Taliban took control.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-...mpaign=KARANGA

The US government is planning to use $7bn (£5.16bn) in frozen Afghan assets to compensate victims of the 9/11 attacks and for relief efforts.

Washington froze the money after the Taliban took power last year but has been under pressure to find a way to use it without aiding the militants.

A Taliban spokesman condemned the move, calling it "theft" and a sign of "moral decay".

The move came in an executive order declaring a national emergency.

As for the funds, President Biden's order formally blocks them, and says US financial institutions should transfer them to a consolidated account at the Federal Reserve.

The money, along with another $2bn held in Europe, the UAE and elsewhere, is primarily the proceeds of international assistance given to Afghanistan over the last two decades.

On Friday, a senior administration official said that a third-party $3.5bn trust fund would be set up to ensure that the money addresses the immediate humanitarian needs of the Afghan people, while at the same time "ensuring no benefit goes directly to the Taliban".

"We've not made specific decisions about how the funds will be used," the official said, adding that it would be months before the money was available, pending a judicial decision.
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Old 10th Mar 2022, 15:24
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I think you misunderstood me @Nutloose. I was referring Putins latest madness

I doubt the russian government is better at managing Mac D and Zara than the army ! and such an action ( most of them just 'suspended') will make russia totally uninvestable for a very long time
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Old 10th Mar 2022, 15:32
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Ahh got you.

Reports say Putin has sacked eight top generals in anger over the slow pace of the Ukraine invasion.
Oleksiy Danilov, head of Ukraine’s security council, said eight Russian commanders have been fired since the start of the conflict amid heavy losses on the battlefield.

Putin is also said to be enraged with leaders of the FSB security service for handing him intelligence suggesting that Ukraine was weak, riddled with neo-Nazi groups, and would give up easily if attacked.

Philip Ingram, a former senior British intelligence officer, told The Times that Putin is obviously ‘very angry’ and is blaming his intelligence agencies.

‘He blames them for seeding him the advice that led to the poor decision-making in Ukraine,’ he said.

Andrei Soldatov, who has monitored the Russian secret service for two decades, told The Times that one possibility is that the organisation is simply not fit for purpose.

Most FSB agents are brought into the service as legacy hires based on their parents or grandparents being agents and are removed from mainstream schools to be educated in-house.

This is unlike western security services, which tend to recruit from elite universities so they get ‘the cream of the crop’.

Another theory is that the organisation did gather good intelligence – but was simply too afraid to tell Putin the truth, instead doctoring their reports to appease him.

‘The problem is that it is too risky for superiors to tell Putin what he doesn’t want to hear, so they tailor their information,’ he said.

‘The tailoring probably takes place somewhere between the rank of colonel and general in the FSB.’

It comes after it was claimed Kremlin officials are ‘privately denouncing’ Putin’s ‘clusterf**k’ invasion.
Putin 'sacks eight generals' in anger at slow progress in Ukraine invasion (msn.com)
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If this turns to be confirmed it is no wonder the russian troops don't care for anyone incl children. Being denied by your own country is a true soviet heritage.
Russia: everyone is left behind.
Rest of the world: no one is left behind.

The Unian:
The bodies of Russian invaders are burned by their command in pits - eyewitnesses

The Russian command begins to burn the bodies of the killed invaders in Ukraine in ordinary pits.

According to eyewitnesses, in Chaplynka, on the administrative border with Crimea, on March 9, the bodies of about 50 Russian soldiers killed in the Kherson and Nikolaev regions were thrown into a pit in an embankment and burned in the morning, adviser to the Interior Minister Anton Gerashchenko reports.

"Local residents asked why this was done with the bodies of the dead, they were told that there was a ban on sending the bodies to the Russian Federation," Gerashchenko wrote in his Telegram channel.

Earlier it became known that the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation ordered to destroy the bodies of its soldiers who died in Ukraine. The corresponding document dated February 26, signed by the Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Alexei Krivoruchko, was published by the Sever Operational Command.
https://www.unian.net/war/tela-rossi...-11737840.html
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"This is unlike western security services, which tend to recruit from elite universities so they get ‘the cream of the crop’."

Blunt , McLean, Burgess.................................. that worked out well

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Old 10th Mar 2022, 15:35
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Originally Posted by Usertim
I doubt the russian government is better at managing Mac D and Zara than the army ! and such an action ( most of them just 'suspended') will make russia totally uninvestable for a very long time
Particularly interested to see what they do with a bunch of Apple stores.
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While McDonaldski have shut up shop but are still paying the staff, how does that work?

Surely they produce the burgers, buns, chips, and relishes etc in country at Mc Donaldski facilities, so what is to stop them simply carrying on manufacturing and supplying to the franchiased stores?

I cannot really see what is provided to the Russians from out of country, bar the name and possibly some of the sauces etc. True when equipment breaks down it might be an issue, but what is to stop them continuing?
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Old 10th Mar 2022, 16:22
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This thread is fascinating - and rather worrying:
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Old 10th Mar 2022, 16:36
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
While McDonaldski have shut up shop but are still paying the staff, how does that work?

Surely they produce the burgers, buns, chips, and relishes etc in country at Mc Donaldski facilities, so what is to stop them simply carrying on manufacturing and supplying to the franchiased stores?

I cannot really see what is provided to the Russians from out of country, bar the name and possibly some of the sauces etc. True when equipment breaks down it might be an issue, but what is to stop them continuing?
A quick search showed that most of the outlets are owned by MacD, but that apart i'm sure all ordering/invoicing would be run centrally from MacD HQ. AFAIK MacD buy in all their goods from outside suppliers to their exacting standards/recipes. Even if the privately-owned outlets know the suppliers, these would have big problems trying to deal with hundreds of individual orderinq/transport previously managed centrally.
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Old 10th Mar 2022, 16:40
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I remember when McDonalds opened in Russia, there was something to do with potatoes. Something like the local potatoes wouldn't work so they had to change a significant portion their crop to McPotatoes

Not sure if that'll have any bearing on things, or if anyone else will buy them
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McBorsch?

I assume part of the deal to continue to pay the staff is for the outlets to cease trading
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Originally Posted by dead_pan
This thread is fascinating - and rather worrying:
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/statu...xBRWgNApg&s=19
He has published this and other FSB related threads as articles on his website Igor Sushko .com - Racing and Beyond | Professional Race Car Driver

Are we seeing a return to the Stalin purges? We just have to hope a Zhukov doesn't emerge from the chaos.
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Interesting interview on Sky with an army officer in the Ukraine, they say they will not accept serving military from anywhere into their army, and a young guy that turned up from the U.K. was told they would not accept him, they bought him a return air ticket and sent him home.

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Old 10th Mar 2022, 17:16
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Ahh got you.

Reports say Putin has sacked eight top generals in anger over the slow pace of the Ukraine invasion.


Putin 'sacks eight generals' in anger at slow progress in Ukraine invasion (msn.com)
Excellent news. Just because they have been sacked does not meant they lose their own loyal following. This just increases the chance that one will say " enough is enough" and go all out to topple Putin.




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The one thing that shines through in this sh*tshow is the Polish people, in fact all of them and especially Moldova, they have gone above and beyond in helping the millions of refugees with everything from meals to accommodation, my hats off to them and if there is any justice in the world they will receive accolades and aid tenfold.

Moldova they are a poor country with a population of 2.6 million, but have welcomed 1/4 million refugees .

An estimated 230,000 refugees have crossed the border from Ukraine to Moldova, with 120,000 of these planning to remain in the country.

As much of the border with Ukraine is part of Transnistria (an area of Moldova with links to Russia) most refugees are entering through the southern tip of Moldova close to the Ukrainian port city of Odessa. Despite the amazing support provided by Moldovan volunteers and the government, people and resources are being stretched to their limit.

Moldova is one of the poorest countries in Europe with a population of only 2.6 million, making it the country with the most refugees per-capita. Ensuring adequate assistance is provided to all Ukrainian refugees arriving in the country is vital, including those at greater risk such as older people and those with disabilities.
https://reliefweb.int/report/ukraine...-10-march-2022

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