British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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My understanding, albeit only from Bassa as BA will not comment, is that Mr Holley was sacked for a discrepancy in time off for union duties, in december 2009, under new rules imposed by BA.
People who happily state that BA's deal is a good one are the ones who do not have to work to the agreement. I suppose I should have argued that OpenSkies, trhe airline, was an excellent way forward for pilots in the BA community. The agreement appears fine until you note the lack of any form of guarantees.
I keep stating that I didn't strike, this is because I didi not think this was the correct avenue to take, but, I don't accept Walsh as genuine in this dispute nor his idea of a fair agreement. As has been mentioned by other posters, I have a family and considerations, I do study what is put in front of me and I can state that BA's latest agreement is flawed as easily as I state that Bassa's agreement have bordered fantasy.
People who happily state that BA's deal is a good one are the ones who do not have to work to the agreement. I suppose I should have argued that OpenSkies, trhe airline, was an excellent way forward for pilots in the BA community. The agreement appears fine until you note the lack of any form of guarantees.
I keep stating that I didn't strike, this is because I didi not think this was the correct avenue to take, but, I don't accept Walsh as genuine in this dispute nor his idea of a fair agreement. As has been mentioned by other posters, I have a family and considerations, I do study what is put in front of me and I can state that BA's latest agreement is flawed as easily as I state that Bassa's agreement have bordered fantasy.
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quote from Sky News website
BA said:-
"We urge Unite to put an end to this unnecessary dispute and focus on the best interests of its members. There can be nothing positive to be gained from further strikes," the airline said."
Translation:-
focus on the best interests of its members = ie not getting their P45/change of contract
nothing positive to be gained from further strikes = the offer will never get better than this one
"We urge Unite to put an end to this unnecessary dispute and focus on the best interests of its members. There can be nothing positive to be gained from further strikes," the airline said."
Translation:-
focus on the best interests of its members = ie not getting their P45/change of contract
nothing positive to be gained from further strikes = the offer will never get better than this one
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There are but two words to describe this latest act on the part of BASSA:
MALEVOLENT MADNESS
It is reminiscent of the Nazis' scorched earth policies in the final few days of the Third Reich.
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Let's get one thing straight. There is no such thing as a small minority of cabin crew poorly led by the BASSA leadership. The truth is that there is a significant group of BASSA fanatics (circa 4,000) who believe only in the one true cult of BASSA. Their minds are closed to any counter arguements or reasoning. They are only concerned with their own entitlement.
Willie Walsh has been extremely patient with the fundamentalists but I fear that he is about to go nuclear. Realistically, he has no other option. Good luck to the innocents caught in the crossfire and to our poor suffering passengers.
Willie Walsh has been extremely patient with the fundamentalists but I fear that he is about to go nuclear. Realistically, he has no other option. Good luck to the innocents caught in the crossfire and to our poor suffering passengers.
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dontdoit - I wish I was wrong but look at the stats. 2-3000 strikers the first and second strikes. About 5,500 joining the court case against BA and about the same amount (80% 0f 70% of BASSA members) rejecting the latest offer.
I'll stand by my 4,000.
I'll stand by my 4,000.
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So I popped over to the BASSA website where one of the minority of right minded people has asked "What do we actually want now?" Here's the first few responses as to why the crew think they are striking:
1 Willie Walsh will not negotiate a better deal
2 Terms and conditions to remain exactly as they are
3 Imposition
4 An agreement that crew on existing fleets have their right to part time, transfers and promotion
5 Redeployment agreement
6 Imposition
7 I can’t afford to work for £13160 per year
8 Unless we defeat Willie we will all be out of a job
I think number 2 is an interesting proposition in the current climate! Number 4 was available in earlier offers. Number 7 is is based on an entirely false information from BASSA, as is number 8.
I await Litebulbs telling me that all the crew have fully thought this out.
1 Willie Walsh will not negotiate a better deal
2 Terms and conditions to remain exactly as they are
3 Imposition
4 An agreement that crew on existing fleets have their right to part time, transfers and promotion
5 Redeployment agreement
6 Imposition
7 I can’t afford to work for £13160 per year
8 Unless we defeat Willie we will all be out of a job
I think number 2 is an interesting proposition in the current climate! Number 4 was available in earlier offers. Number 7 is is based on an entirely false information from BASSA, as is number 8.
I await Litebulbs telling me that all the crew have fully thought this out.
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I can't remember what happened last time for certain, so apologies if this answer is in the other 125 pages!
For the crew who will be out of the country at the time the strike begins, do they have to operate their flight back before they can strike (if that is their wish)?
I have a friend/colleague who is due back from SIN (I think) next week and she is on her ABC. Will she have problems now?
I'd already left work today before the announcement. I bet our lines are red tomorrow!
Many thanks
For the crew who will be out of the country at the time the strike begins, do they have to operate their flight back before they can strike (if that is their wish)?
I have a friend/colleague who is due back from SIN (I think) next week and she is on her ABC. Will she have problems now?
I'd already left work today before the announcement. I bet our lines are red tomorrow!
Many thanks
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To Weopon X
In answer to your question
We care and are proud of our Airline, we have worked hard and wish for our efforts to be reflected in the solvency of our Airline with a view to retire with a pension intact.
The strike was not as effective as many of you wished, but, damage was done financially and the brand was and remains affected by way of forward bookings.
We will continue with our hard work, with or without you for the sake of our Airline and the passengers we carry. Don't under estimate the strength of feeling and anger.
We care and are proud of our Airline, we have worked hard and wish for our efforts to be reflected in the solvency of our Airline with a view to retire with a pension intact.
The strike was not as effective as many of you wished, but, damage was done financially and the brand was and remains affected by way of forward bookings.
We will continue with our hard work, with or without you for the sake of our Airline and the passengers we carry. Don't under estimate the strength of feeling and anger.
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What about the passengers
I wish that more cabin crew would think about the impact of strikes on passengers. I will be in WDC at 0730 tomorrow and, with several other volunteers, will take calls from pax - some being confused, angry, upset. In the last two strikes, I had cases of people crying down the phone. These are the people who pay our wages, and they may decide not to do so in future.
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Share price up 6% today.
Well, there you have it! A vote of confidence from the City, again! Same thing happened over the last strike dates. Somebody is going to get their backsides well and truly kicked ...... and it isn't BA.
Share price up 6% today.
Well, there you have it! A vote of confidence from the City, again! Same thing happened over the last strike dates. Somebody is going to get their backsides well and truly kicked ...... and it isn't BA.
BBC News - Shares and oil prices surge after EU loan deal
"Global stock markets have soared after the European Union and International Monetary Fund intervened to stop the Greek debt crisis spreading..."
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You're right Flap33. Red mist blurs logic.
I wonder if the likes of him/her have read the publics' points of view in some of the online national newspapers. Gee...upset and anger from the very people that pay their wages.
But hey, they're in their own little world, no one and nothing else matters.
Reality, I'm sure, will hit them like 200 ton freight train. Broken and beyond repair.
I wonder if the likes of him/her have read the publics' points of view in some of the online national newspapers. Gee...upset and anger from the very people that pay their wages.
But hey, they're in their own little world, no one and nothing else matters.
Reality, I'm sure, will hit them like 200 ton freight train. Broken and beyond repair.
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Think, miners, shipyard workers, car workers, steel workers. These were people who all thought that their collective muscle, and tactics would prevail.
Didn't he do well back then as well? Now he wants to be boss of Unite? I wonder, really, where his interests lie? Guaranteed they are not with BASSA! They will be cast aside just as McKluskey cast aside his co-workers when the Liverpool docks went to the wall for not being able to compete with the rest of the reasonable world.
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There are a lot of very negative comments already from the public. Especially as they see that part of the reason now for this new strike is because some have lost their Staff (cheap) Travel when they themselves (the public) are losing so much more with cancelled travel plans. I can still hear the words from Bassa members interviewed by the media during the last strikes, saying how the loss of Staff Travel perks mean't nothing as most people didn't use them! Confused? I am.
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Derek Simpson on Channel 4 news
said in reply to a question about the interests of passengers replied that 'they can fly on other airlines' . Isn't about time BASSA/Unbite were thrown out of our company ?
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Simpson, Woodley, McKluskey etc...
Will still be on the Unite payroll long after the Cabin Crew they are supposed to represent have been laid off.
The problem is that it is the BASSA council that have ultimate veto in this and, as a result, they will be the ones selling their co-workers and peers down the river.
The BASSA council (Unelected, like Gordon Brown as they voted to keep themselves in power by a 'show of hands' at the start of the dispute) have lost sight of the aims of the Cabin Crew and rejected deals based upon external requirements that were generated by their own actions.
Please, please kill off BASSA and get the majority of our hard working, professinal Cabin Crew correctly represented.
Irrespective of the vote, which shows how much the CC want and need an organised voice, BASSA are leading their peers to destruction instead of swallowing their collective pride and animosity and representing the majority.
Will still be on the Unite payroll long after the Cabin Crew they are supposed to represent have been laid off.
The problem is that it is the BASSA council that have ultimate veto in this and, as a result, they will be the ones selling their co-workers and peers down the river.
The BASSA council (Unelected, like Gordon Brown as they voted to keep themselves in power by a 'show of hands' at the start of the dispute) have lost sight of the aims of the Cabin Crew and rejected deals based upon external requirements that were generated by their own actions.
Please, please kill off BASSA and get the majority of our hard working, professinal Cabin Crew correctly represented.
Irrespective of the vote, which shows how much the CC want and need an organised voice, BASSA are leading their peers to destruction instead of swallowing their collective pride and animosity and representing the majority.