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Old 25th Mar 2010, 11:43
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Why bother driving when BA will reimburse you up to £100 each way to take a taxi? I'd rather be chauffered home, it leaves two hands free to wave at the picket lines.

Amongst the strikers an air of panic is beginning to emerge as people start to come to terms with the fact that this could be a long dispute and they'll have no staff travel in 2.5 weeks. Activists are proclaiming they should approach Easyjet, Virgin and Star Alliance carriers to see if they'll offer them discount tickets as they could do with the revenue!!! I'm sure United and Lufthansa will be tripping over themselves to offer fully flexible, 90% discounted tickets to a couple of thousand BA employees. That extra £75 every tenth flight will see them back in the black in no time at all!
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Bullying and harassment is not informing crew of the expected standards of behaviour on board and downroute and telling them that such behaviour from either side will not be tolerated.
Bullying and harassment is taking names of volunteers and forwarding them to other crew. This could only possibly have one aim.
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Originally Posted by Rover90
I cannot quote him accurately but words to the effect of: “If this matter is not concluded by June, then new contracts will be issued”. Perhaps someone will know where to find the actual text. He also alluded when speaking after the breakdown of talks last Friday that the formal recognition of UNITE/BASSA had been downgraded to the lowest possible level.
AFAIK, WW has not said that new contracts will be issued. What he did say, in his covering letter to TW on the 19th, was that if a new framework for IR is not agreed by 18 June, then BA will serve notice on the "facilities agreement".

What I take that to mean, is that BA will cease paying rent for the unite offices at LHR (in T5) and at LGW, and stop things such as derostering of union reps.
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Informing crew of the expected standards of behaviour on board and downroute and telling them that such behaviour from either side will not be tolerated is not bullying and harassment.
Taking names of volunteers and forwarding them to other crew is bullying and harassment. This could only possibly have one aim.

Clearer?
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We can use any public car park around LHR (including short term)and BA will reimburse any parking fees ...
fly12345, are you absolutely sure about that? The instructions I have seen, dated 18 March, clearly state the following:
If the regular crew car park becomes full, .... [you] may park in any Long-Stay car park at LHR and claim back the cost of this parking. You must have a receipt to do this. (Please note that this specifically excludes Short-Stay car parks – like the NCP facility directly beside T5)
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Old 25th Mar 2010, 12:16
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@ Abbey Road

This is what currently shows on the intranet parking:

Parking – LHR and LGW
Security in the crew car park will be increased. This will include BA managers and a security presence. Access to the car park will be restricted to those on duty, as normal.

If you would prefer not to park in the crew car park you can choose to park in a commercial car park. We’ll refund up to £200 worth of car park charges, just hold onto your receipts to claim your expenses. However, please bear in mind that there will be no BA management presence in commercial car parks and that there are no special BA shuttle services from commercial car parks to BA work locations.

Specific information about parking at Heathrow
The turnstile at the far corner of the crew multi-storey car park will be closed.
We advise you not to park at West Base over this period due to potential pickets in the Hatton Cross area.
The Cranebank car park will be open as normal, with additional security, for those working at Cranebank.

Eastbase car park, adjacent to Vanguard House (Pass Issue Unit), is available as an alternative to the crew car park at LHR, on strike days. It has restroom and waiting facilities.
Dedicated BA shuttle buses have been organised with similar frequency to the crew car park and there will be increased security presence in the area.

Some of the commercial car parks around the Heathrow Campus are:

BAA Parking:
Short Stay T5
Long Stay T5
Business Parking T5
Valet Parking T5

Other commercial providers include: Purple Parking and Pink Elephant both of which offer a meet and greet service.
Alternatively, all Long Stay providers have shuttle services directly to the Terminal entrance.
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Old 25th Mar 2010, 12:22
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Many thanks to TorC for this:

WW has not said that new contracts will be issued. What he did say, in his covering letter to TW on the 19th, was that if a new framework for IR is not agreed by 18 June, then BA will serve notice on the "facilities agreement".
That seems to make much more sense and I do recall reading that very text.

On the downside, there has been a suggestion from Bill Francis that compulsory redundancies should not be totally ruled out so sadly the body of my text still stands although the timing is inaccurate.
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Old 25th Mar 2010, 12:33
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TorC, thanks for that info. However, I'm not sure it unequivocally states that the short-term car park will have costs covered by BA. It actually may be that NCP have told BA that they don't want the short-term car park filled with BA flying staff, as they have regular customers to think of, long after this strike is over.

In any event, I don't suppose £200 pounds would last long in any NCP short-term car park. NCP seem to have a license to open your wallet for you!
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Old 25th Mar 2010, 13:07
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There is much talk amonst potential strikers about the impending change of contracts.

But where does this come from? I have just re-read the last offer dated 19mar10 and - depite crew claiming it is written in black and white there is certainly no mention of any such thing. Willie has repeatedly assured crew that he intends to protect the pay and conditions of current crew.
The monthly travel payment may not appeal to everone , but it is beneficial to many (not the reps perhaps). It seems that BA is really trying to accommodate crew.

Maybe its Bassa who are propagating these rumours to stir their members to strike.

And as for LGW purser reinstatement. Why can't LHR csd's take a 10% paycut to finance that.
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Old 25th Mar 2010, 13:20
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Have all crew even read the BA proposal dated 19mar10?

It's on the ESS home page.
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Independant Employment Lawyer gives advice

BBC - BBC Radio 5 live Programmes - Victoria Derbyshire

Check out the Victoria Derbyshire Show, at 1:09:25 in

Available now on BBC iPlayer

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24/03/2010


Not only interesting facts re staff travel , but also re dismissal during a strike.
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Old 25th Mar 2010, 13:36
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That Victoria Derbyshire show was cringeworthy. They did not put one iota of valid argument forward and refused to accept anything that did not fit their mental model. They honestly believe that the board will replace Walsh with someone who will cave in to them. They reckon each strike will cost BA £100m - Walsh has told the city £21 for the last 3 days. They inhabit another planet and there is only one way this dispute is going to end I believe.
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Old 25th Mar 2010, 13:50
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Hi AbbeyR
It actually may be that NCP have told BA that they don't want the short-term car park filled with BA flying staff, as they have regular customers to think of,
My rough estimation, but currently for every 300 passengers there are maybe 8 crew?
Most crew will use the car park as normal, but those more wary or concerned CAN use non-crew car parks and claim expenses - keep a receipt and process via envelopes in CRC and also on ESS.
There aren't as many flights going out. Less cars.
Some of those passengers arrived as families in one car.
For the small numbers of crew usuing the non-crew car parks, its a drop in the ocean in expenses, and I guarantee none of the car parks will be full.
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How Can They All Be Wrong.....

Dear Editor,

As academics in the field of employment relations our expertise includes the analysis of the causes, process and outcomes of industrial disputes and particularly the dynamics of strike action. Given the near certainty of further strikes (Follow-up strike will go ahead says union, March 22nd), it is clear to us that the actions of the chief executive of British Airways, notwithstanding his protestations to the contrary, are explicable only by the desire to break the union which represents the cabin crew. What other possible interpretation can there be for Willie Walsh rejecting Unite's acceptance of BA's previous offer or indeed of his marshalling of resources, including those of bitter industry rival Ryanair, to undermine the action of his staff? Walsh and now Prime Minister Brown have made the error of underestimating the deep seated and justifiable anger of a loyal and dedicated workforce, whose continued trust and goodwill is a vital ingredient of customer care.

Overwhelming majorities in two strike ballots in the face of tabloid opprobrium testify to employees' understanding that a victory for Walsh's macho management strategy would precipitate a race to the bottom in terms of working conditions and job quality. In the process, this would damage beyond repair the high standards of customer service for which BA cabin crew are renowned. The wider significance of a triumph of unilateral management prerogative would be a widening of the representation gap in UK employment relations, and a further erosion of worker rights and of that most precious of commodities – democracy. For all these reasons, BA's cabin crew and their union, Unite, deserve our support rather than knee-jerk vilification.

Professor Philip Taylor, University of Strathclyde

Professor Sarah Ashwin, London School of Economics

Professor Chris Baldry, University of Stirling

Professor Robert Carter, De Montfort University

Professor Linda Clarke, University of Westminster

Professor Christine Cooper, University of Strathclyde

Professor Andrew Danford, University of West of England

Professor Ralph Darlington, University of Salford

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Professor Patricia Findlay, University of Strathclyde

Professor Irena Grugulis, University of Bradford

Professor Geraldine Healy, Queen Mary University of London

Professor Ed Heery, Cardiff University

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Professor Jeff Hyman, University of Aberdeen

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Professor Steve Jeffreys, London Metropolitan University

Professor John Kelly, Birkbeck College London

Professor Miguel Martinez Lucio, University of Manchester

Professor Sonia McKay, London Metropolitan University

Professor Doug Miller, University of Northumbria

Professor Dennis Nickson, University of Strathclyde

Professor Anna Pollert, University of the West of England

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Professor Paul Stewart, University of Strathclyde

Professor Mark Stuart, University of Leeds

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Old 25th Mar 2010, 13:55
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To any crew unsure about coming in to work on strike days,

I can assure you that:

1. CRC on strike days is a supportive, safe place to be. There are plenty of relieved crew able to talk freely about the dispute with like-minded colleagues. No fear of intimidation from militants.
2. You will not see a single picket from approaching the car park until driving home.
3. If you arrive via the M25 T5 junction you will not see any pickets whatsoever.
4. There are plenty of yellow jacketed staff and flight crew around. Neither will tolerate any intimidation.
5. Lots of crew are using the car park and bus in uniform.
6. Any evidence of intimidation is dealt with swiftly. There have been offloads where it has been evident that flight safety may be compromised.
7. BA are on to issues of striking/non-striking crew meeting down route. Back-to-back issues have been dealt with where the second leg might include strikers. Station staff are aware and where necessary (e.g. JFK) separate hotels are used.
8. After your trip your flight crew will ensure that the crew stays together through T5 and all the way back to the car park.
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Old 25th Mar 2010, 13:59
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Quote from letter from esteemed university folk...

What other possible interpretation can there be for Willie Walsh rejecting Unite's acceptance of BA's previous offer
What acceptance was that? BASSA / Unite has not accepted any of BA's offers.

Maybe they should get the facts right first?

P.S. Where was this letter published?




In the Guardian: British Airways strike letter: 'Macho Walsh wants to break the union' | Business | guardian.co.uk
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I think that the penultimate paragraph in Tony Woodley's
LETTER TO UNITE BA CABIN CREW MEMBERS FROM THE JOINT GENERAL SECRETARY TONY WOODLEY
which was published over the last weekend is quite illuminating.
Today, I will be appealing to British Airways at board level to take matters in hand and restart negotiations to reach an agreement which would allow the strike scheduled for next weekend to be averted and put your airline on the road to recovery. I know that is what you all want, and it is what the travelling public expect. We have said all along that negotiations, not litigation, intimidation nor confrontation is the way forward. BA must understand that capitulation is not on the menu either.

Stay strong, and I hope to be joining you on the picket line tomorrow.

Tony Woodley
Joint General secretary
Unite
Now, others may read that differently, and I appreciate that, but I read that as tantamount to recognition that the strike action has failed to achieve the expected objective of forcing WW to make concessions, and in it he is trying to distance hinself from the actions of Len the docker and LaLa.
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So let us take the worst case scenario

The Blue Riband asked "where did all the talk about change of contracts come from"?

My view is that it was born out of a refusal of BASSA/UNITE to accept that it was a possibility under the 90 day notice procedure. This generated much pre strike debate and it has conclusively and successfully been argued that it could legally be utilised but clearly denied by Mr Walsh on more than one occasion.

Let us be clear though of the relevant back stop positions in this current stand off.

BASSA/UNITE can legally strike for 12 weeks and after that period the strike becomes unlawful with all the financial implications and penalties.

BA can legally impose compulsory redundancy/suspension of staff travel on striking cabin crew at any time.

My observation is that the 18th June 2010, as confirmed by TorC as the date that Tony Woodley was advised in a letter from Mr Walsh that notice would be served on the facilities agreement, looks awfully like 12 weeks after the commencement of this strike action.

The ultimate question that people may have to ask themselves is whether Mr Walsh is going to run out of funding or is BASSA/UNITE going to run out of time.

In the absence of any input from the pro strike lobby, perhaps we might like to consider that worst case scenario.
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Old 25th Mar 2010, 14:31
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My University professor of Industrial Relations (not on the list - he'll be long dead by now) memorably told us:

"A union's first priority is not to act in the interests of its members. It's first priority is to act in the interests of the Union"
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Originally Posted by bacabincrew
Absolutely priceless......95 of the UK's leading Academics on Employment and you dismiss them as a 'bunch of lefties'.
I agree with your sentiment here. To dismiss them in such an offhand manner adds no weight to the debate at hand. Equally their political affiliation isn't really germane, just as the academic historian David Starkey (who was so pilloried by crew for his appearance on Question Time) clearly isn't a supporter of unionised labour.

However, what is germane, is that they've signed a letter expressing their distaste with an act that didn't happen.

They've signed to say that BA rejecting Unite's acceptance of the BA offer means it's union-busting pure and simple.

However, the flaw lies in the fact that Unite at no point accepted BA's offer and only offered, retrospectively, to ballot BA cabin crew on the offer when WW withdrew his offer (and even then suggested they would not recommend it). Consequently the academics you list above have expressed their opinion on an action that never took place and, thus, it is invalid as a legitimate expression of disdain.

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