British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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I was gutted when I saw the dates today, I nearly cried. Between this and the volcano, I'm absolutely terrified for the job that I love in BA. The damage is well and truly done, for this summer at least. Is there any hope?
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Posted by Chuchinchow
What happened to the much-trumpeted Duncan Holley interview that was supposed to have been published in the "Sunday Times"?
Was there any press coverage of the former BASSA branch secretary in any of the Sunday newspapers?
What happened to the much-trumpeted Duncan Holley interview that was supposed to have been published in the "Sunday Times"?
Was there any press coverage of the former BASSA branch secretary in any of the Sunday newspapers?
To quote one of his fellow reps whose other past time was setting up porn websites not too long ago, I guess you could call it 'Hot Air' or that's what the Sunday Times may have thought of it!
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Posted by Chuchinchow
What happened to the much-trumpeted Duncan Holley interview that was supposed to have been published in the "Sunday Times"?
Was there any press coverage of the former BASSA branch secretary in any of the Sunday newspapers?
What happened to the much-trumpeted Duncan Holley interview that was supposed to have been published in the "Sunday Times"?
Was there any press coverage of the former BASSA branch secretary in any of the Sunday newspapers?
Don't turn up for work on many occasions, get sacked.
Q.E.D.
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IF YOU CARRY ON LIKE THIS THERE WILL NOT BE A BRITISH AIRWAYS THIS TIME NEXT YEAR.
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If only Willie had accepted our original proposals and spent a few more weeks with us trying to come up with the "missing" £10 million instead of wasting over £100 million fighting us. That deal did include pay cuts - same as the flight crew ( but without the £11 milion share out !!). The difference was we asked that it be a temporary measure until the business was secure again - he rejected that. Why??? He hasn't given much consideration to our customers then has he ??
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20 day strike ? you cannot be serious
if thoudands of CC can afford not to work for 20 days, that will give the public the impression that they have been overpaid for far too long.
I hope WW carries on with VCC training and sticks to his gun. about 3000 crew went on strike last time, if the same happens this time it means there are about 37000 BA staff who are now sick and tired of the attitude of this minority and wants them out the company for good. BA is not made only of CC, it is time BASSA relises that, it is time to accept that the rest of BA do not want to be run by BASSA. Their domain has to stop now.
I hope WW carries on with VCC training and sticks to his gun. about 3000 crew went on strike last time, if the same happens this time it means there are about 37000 BA staff who are now sick and tired of the attitude of this minority and wants them out the company for good. BA is not made only of CC, it is time BASSA relises that, it is time to accept that the rest of BA do not want to be run by BASSA. Their domain has to stop now.
Allatt
How do you resolve a long term problem ( BA CC being comparatively highly paid ) by only offering a temporary reduction ???
Its not about £10 million..........
How do you resolve a long term problem ( BA CC being comparatively highly paid ) by only offering a temporary reduction ???
Its not about £10 million..........
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Originally Posted by ALLATT
If only Willie had accepted our original proposals and spent a few more weeks with us trying to come up with the "missing" £10 million instead of wasting over £100 million fighting us. That deal did include pay cuts - same as the flight crew ( but without the £11 milion share out !!). The difference was we asked that it be a temporary measure until the business was secure again - he rejected that. Why??? He hasn't given much consideration to our customers then has he ??
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I simply can't understand why CC would waste 75 million (at 5 million a day) of investors money in some vain attempt to make a point.
Thats pensioners money, amongst others. Winding up the airline and starting again is the only end I can see to this debacle.
Thats pensioners money, amongst others. Winding up the airline and starting again is the only end I can see to this debacle.
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What on earth are you talking about?????
Whilst the company is having financial problems we were happy to take the hit. If you remember quite rightly a couple of years ago the company made an £850million profit - and we were on our current package! (Please don't ignore the fines, the Terminal 5 c*** up, etc etc etc - not our fault we made such a huge loss!)
Why should we not share in the success of our company - after all, the Flight crew deal involves a pay cut now but a share of the profit when the company returns to profitability.
Anyway - why do you have a problem with us being well paid?
What on earth are you talking about?????
Whilst the company is having financial problems we were happy to take the hit. If you remember quite rightly a couple of years ago the company made an £850million profit - and we were on our current package! (Please don't ignore the fines, the Terminal 5 c*** up, etc etc etc - not our fault we made such a huge loss!)
Why should we not share in the success of our company - after all, the Flight crew deal involves a pay cut now but a share of the profit when the company returns to profitability.
Anyway - why do you have a problem with us being well paid?
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Because it's illegal to do that. And because the wasting £5M a day is better than wasting all their money on an illegal bankruptcy.
As far as I can see CC will never agree to anything, lets end it and start again without the radical element and get a constructive, progressive national airline earning money.
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Allatt
please familiarise yourself with at least the bare bones of this dispute. Your post clearly shows that you have not read this thread and identifies you as someone who also neglects to read the information sent to you by the Company.
Whilst it's conveniently easy to excuse cc from guilt or blame in this whole sorry episode by branding them lemmings, mindless followers of the BASSA cult, your post incriminates you of the laziest crime- that of ignoring the wealth of information and fact available and just voting how Bassa tell you....to financially bankrupt my company, to destroy my job/career and that of tens of thousands of hard-working BA staff who have already taken their medicine, increasing productivity and earning less money. Those are what your union and by implication, you, are trying to do to me......to selfishly cling onto ridiculously over-inflated terms/conditions and pay, while EVERYONE else in this great company works harder, for less money, to carry you and keep you the best paid and best looked after cabin crew for the least work done in any airline, anywhere!! I say no to that, I'm backing BA
please familiarise yourself with at least the bare bones of this dispute. Your post clearly shows that you have not read this thread and identifies you as someone who also neglects to read the information sent to you by the Company.
Whilst it's conveniently easy to excuse cc from guilt or blame in this whole sorry episode by branding them lemmings, mindless followers of the BASSA cult, your post incriminates you of the laziest crime- that of ignoring the wealth of information and fact available and just voting how Bassa tell you....to financially bankrupt my company, to destroy my job/career and that of tens of thousands of hard-working BA staff who have already taken their medicine, increasing productivity and earning less money. Those are what your union and by implication, you, are trying to do to me......to selfishly cling onto ridiculously over-inflated terms/conditions and pay, while EVERYONE else in this great company works harder, for less money, to carry you and keep you the best paid and best looked after cabin crew for the least work done in any airline, anywhere!! I say no to that, I'm backing BA
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flybymerchant
Yet another arrogant post.
I do indeed know what this dispute is all about - i'ts about imposition.
Whether or not you like it, it is unacceptable to impose different terms and conditions on a group of employees without negotiation.
Why do you have a problem with that?
Would you accept it if you were enjoying X amount of money / great terms and conditions and one day the powers that be award themselves massive bonuses and say "by the way we want you to earn less money and work harder from now on - ok??"
Get real
Yet another arrogant post.
I do indeed know what this dispute is all about - i'ts about imposition.
Whether or not you like it, it is unacceptable to impose different terms and conditions on a group of employees without negotiation.
Why do you have a problem with that?
Would you accept it if you were enjoying X amount of money / great terms and conditions and one day the powers that be award themselves massive bonuses and say "by the way we want you to earn less money and work harder from now on - ok??"
Get real
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Gatwick will be working as normal, so all flights from there will operate completely as published.
As for Heathrow, last time we managed to get about 75% of our passengers to their destinations. Customer satisfaction levels were actually HIGHER during the strike than before! Next time, after even more Volunteer Cabin Crew have been trained I would expect nearly 100% to operate.
Speaking personally I look forward to flying our passengers to their destination supported by an enthusiastic and highly trained crew. In a years time we will be saying "BASSA who?"
As for Heathrow, last time we managed to get about 75% of our passengers to their destinations. Customer satisfaction levels were actually HIGHER during the strike than before! Next time, after even more Volunteer Cabin Crew have been trained I would expect nearly 100% to operate.
Speaking personally I look forward to flying our passengers to their destination supported by an enthusiastic and highly trained crew. In a years time we will be saying "BASSA who?"
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Flights from LGW were not affected by the last strike and should not be affected by the future ones.
As someone who flew from LGW during the last strikes, the planes had very few passengers and those that travelled loved the feeling of having their own private widebodied executive jet. Personally if I was a passenger flying to the Carribean I would rather fly on a quarter full flight with BA than a packed one with another operator.
As someone who flew from LGW during the last strikes, the planes had very few passengers and those that travelled loved the feeling of having their own private widebodied executive jet. Personally if I was a passenger flying to the Carribean I would rather fly on a quarter full flight with BA than a packed one with another operator.
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Unite membership
As Unite are hellbent on ausing maximum damage to our company and putting our own livelihoods and pensions at risk why should we continue to support them by paying our dues. I would suggest that any Unite members who do not support Unite's continued attack on us should immediately resign and stop paying their dues.
Several hundred have already done so and this is another effective way you can show your opposition to these bunch of loony militants.
Allat,
You may have read, but did you understand? My guess is you relied on BASSA's version without fully looking at both sides.
Please think through the implications before you join the rest of the lemmings.
Several hundred have already done so and this is another effective way you can show your opposition to these bunch of loony militants.
Allat,
You may have read, but did you understand? My guess is you relied on BASSA's version without fully looking at both sides.
Please think through the implications before you join the rest of the lemmings.
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@Realist - Sabena and Swissair actually went bust. BA are not insolvent and cannot simply wind themselves up to resolve a labour dispute. The shareholders (myself included) would be somewhat pissed off with the destruction of their investments and the law would prohibit such a move.
@Allatt - Which bit of 'failure to negotiate leads to imposition' do you find difficult? YOU refused to negotiate! YOU sent your reps away with a mandate not to talk. YOUR reps refused to sit in a room with each other. Do you expect Walsh to just throw his hands in the air and say 'screw the savings, if they won't talk just leave it.'???
@Allatt - Which bit of 'failure to negotiate leads to imposition' do you find difficult? YOU refused to negotiate! YOU sent your reps away with a mandate not to talk. YOUR reps refused to sit in a room with each other. Do you expect Walsh to just throw his hands in the air and say 'screw the savings, if they won't talk just leave it.'???