British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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BASSA are being ultra-cautious and not risking BA trying to take out another injunction.
A member could quite easily just stop their payroll deduction without informing BASSA - after what happened last December BASSA want to get the facts about the exact numbers having union dues deducted from payroll
FACT
A member could quite easily just stop their payroll deduction without informing BASSA - after what happened last December BASSA want to get the facts about the exact numbers having union dues deducted from payroll
FACT
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Staff travel
wwcrewmember wrote:
I think that Pornpants1's one-line summary was fair. This is from a statement by Unite on 25 March 2010:
I have never been told by BASSA not to worry about Staff Travel FACT
The joint leaders of the UK's biggest union, Unite, have today (Thursday) pledged that any resolution to the current dispute between British Airways and its 12,000 cabin crew must lead to the restoration of travel assistance.
Earlier this week BA wrote to those cabin crew members who had taken lawful industrial action during last week's strike to inform them that their travel benefits would be withdrawn, a move denounced by Unite as vindictive. One crew member had her travel taken from her even though she was not on strike but was instead in hospital in the US recovering from a serious illness.
In a letter to all crew caught up in the fight to protect their jobs, Unite joint leaders Derek Simpson and Tony Woodley said: "We repeat that the withdrawal of travel concessions from crew who have been on strike represents unacceptable anti-union bullying. Any agreement to end this dispute must and will include a framework for the full restoration of those travel concessions.
Earlier this week BA wrote to those cabin crew members who had taken lawful industrial action during last week's strike to inform them that their travel benefits would be withdrawn, a move denounced by Unite as vindictive. One crew member had her travel taken from her even though she was not on strike but was instead in hospital in the US recovering from a serious illness.
In a letter to all crew caught up in the fight to protect their jobs, Unite joint leaders Derek Simpson and Tony Woodley said: "We repeat that the withdrawal of travel concessions from crew who have been on strike represents unacceptable anti-union bullying. Any agreement to end this dispute must and will include a framework for the full restoration of those travel concessions.
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wwcrewmember, how many signed up members did the BASSA forum have? How many had to sign up in order to vote in the online poll? Are you in a position to know?
Remember 29% of BASSA members failed to vote, perhaps the "security" measures have put them of?
Remember 29% of BASSA members failed to vote, perhaps the "security" measures have put them of?
Unless you like your girls with hairy legs then no
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I have a copy of that and yes - if PP1 had said that then no probs - maybe their choice of words just tweaked the 'true' words that were spoken
Right - been good to talk - best of luck everyone - off out now - lets hope this is settled one way or another soon
Right - been good to talk - best of luck everyone - off out now - lets hope this is settled one way or another soon
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Well despite some people pouring scorn on my "predictions" and "facts" I see now that BASSA have produced their version of people who voted "no" to reject the latest proposals and they say 5699 people did, my rough rule of thumb suggested
not bad out by 52 votes
and don't forget that less than 50% of cabin crew
BASSA have circa 10,000 members, it is more than likely less than this figure, but 10, 000 makes the math easier
7100 decided to vote on the online poll and 81% rejected the offer thats 5751 crew, almost the same amount who voted for strike action back in February.
7100 decided to vote on the online poll and 81% rejected the offer thats 5751 crew, almost the same amount who voted for strike action back in February.
and don't forget that less than 50% of cabin crew
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Last January, Unite balloted 11,691 members. Now they have only 10,000. Bearing in mind that BA employs more than 11,300 cabin crew, Unite's representation has fallen considerably to about 75 per cent.
I am totally fed up with all the bassa tosh.
bassa have fiddled while the aviation indiustry burns.
Come on Willie. Bring on a strike - and then get rid of the parasites that are seeking to bring OUR company down.
This has been going on so long that it is well beyond a joke. bassa have been found to be the selfish bunch of prats that a lot of us have always felt they were. With all the voluntees that have been trained BA should be able to mount a decent operation - which will continue to grow. The strikers will be - ex-BA employees after mid-June and we can all get on with retreiving the remaining reputation of the company.
bassa have fiddled while the aviation indiustry burns.
Come on Willie. Bring on a strike - and then get rid of the parasites that are seeking to bring OUR company down.
This has been going on so long that it is well beyond a joke. bassa have been found to be the selfish bunch of prats that a lot of us have always felt they were. With all the voluntees that have been trained BA should be able to mount a decent operation - which will continue to grow. The strikers will be - ex-BA employees after mid-June and we can all get on with retreiving the remaining reputation of the company.
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Clearly its not that simple because WW has to act within the law.
Lets face it given the chance WW would have sacked all of BA's striking cabin crew had he thought there was a chance he could get away with it.
He doesn't want a resolution to this dispute and it will drag on and on. Maybe his game plan is to let it go on till June and then try the 90 day route. Who really knows? In the mean time damage is being done to the BA brand and the airline is viewed as a laughing stock.
Lets face it given the chance WW would have sacked all of BA's striking cabin crew had he thought there was a chance he could get away with it.
He doesn't want a resolution to this dispute and it will drag on and on. Maybe his game plan is to let it go on till June and then try the 90 day route. Who really knows? In the mean time damage is being done to the BA brand and the airline is viewed as a laughing stock.
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Earth calling dispute, come in dispute
What specific points/grounds was the offer rejected on?
Did they identify any modifications to those points which would get their support?
(Or was it the obvious and much used: We don't like WW, erm that's it).
Did they identify any modifications to those points which would get their support?
(Or was it the obvious and much used: We don't like WW, erm that's it).
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He doesn't want a resolution to this dispute and it will drag on and on. Maybe his game plan is to let it go on till June and then try the 90 day route.
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In that case what is he waiting for?
WW would have done it by now then if he could have legally got away with it.
As for the strike protection ending another ballot will go out.
WW would have done it by now then if he could have legally got away with it.
As for the strike protection ending another ballot will go out.
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WW would have done it by now then if he could have legally got away with it.
That it has not been done is probably more to do with the wider IR arena, I suspect all groups of staff would find that action was too much to bear - at least until up to now.
There are also the options of SOSR for all or CR for some. There is still a form lodged with the government, for up to 2000 redundancies, even if you take the 1200 or so who took VR in November there are still 800 or so CR vacancies waiting to be filled.
I suspect that BA have a few more options up their sleeves that fall well short of some of these "nuclear" ones. Sadly, for the CC the only way that they will find out what the company is prepared to do and can legally do to them is by striking and bearing the consequences.
Much as BASSA are considering their options so are BA. It would be naive to think that BASSA have all the cards here, similarly it would not be wise to think BA have all the cards. Actions will have reactions, as we have seen the longer this has gone on, each step by either side has provoked a reaction. Sadly though, I think for BASSA it has used all of its big guns and BA have yet to open the gun safe.
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To avoid the risk of a successful unfair dismissal claim employers must be able to demonstrate a substantively fair reason for making the change and must be careful to carry out appropriate procedures prior to terminating an existing contract as of course termination amounts to dismissal.
I am happy to be corrected.
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Dismissal or Not